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Nimatzo
iChihuaha Tue Dec 22 11:03:58
Oh my, shit is about to hit fan. What a fantastic start to the season.

I am sad to hear though, that after this season there will only be one more season. That means no Laconian empire.

Habebe
Member Tue Dec 22 11:14:27
Never watched past the first season , now that I have weed again maybe I'll tack it on to watch before bed.

Sam Adams
Member Tue Dec 22 11:41:15
My home gym workouts got fun again!

CrownRoyal
Member Tue Dec 22 18:44:35
Going to start watching season 5 tonight. What a great show.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Dec 23 09:41:54
3 episodes in now, A+

Seb
Member Wed Dec 23 16:25:20
Haven't had time to watch it yet... Probably not going to get a chance now until after boxing Day. And then it's back to the 13 hour work days...

Wrath of Orion
Member Wed Dec 23 16:44:55
"I am sad to hear though, that after this season there will only be one more season."

What exactly is going to happen is unclear. The creators talk about it as a "pause" and that there are a lot more plans for the IP.

We'll just have to see what that means.

smart dude
Member Thu Dec 24 02:12:48
"boxing Day"

loser

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Dec 24 04:50:56
WoO
I read that recently as well, so I am hopeful.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Thu Dec 24 23:33:01
funny how belters fit every stereotype of every ethnic group ever. God I hate them.

Ava and Amos need to hook up.

CrownRoyal
Member Sat Jan 02 13:53:25
Finished the latest available episode, this top notch TV now.

Seb
Member Mon Jan 04 16:31:41
Finished ep 2 and the big rock of doom suspense is killing me...

obaminated
Member Mon Jan 04 17:47:26
i have the video game, never watched the show. also never played the game because it requires me to play online or some shit.

Seb
Member Mon Jan 04 18:10:38
Nothing so far with the resonance of Klass death...

Seb
Member Mon Jan 04 18:15:09
Theres a video game?

Wrath of Orion
Member Mon Jan 04 19:37:42
Dunno about a video game, but there is a board game. And tabletop RPG (which is actually how the IP started, I believe).

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Mon Jan 04 19:58:40
This is the second franchise I have watched/read that was created initially as an RPG world. The Malazan (fantasy) books being the other.

obaminated
Member Mon Jan 04 20:32:01
Nope i was way wrong. I have a game called defiance which is based on a tv show i thought was the expanse.

Wrath of Orion
Member Mon Jan 04 21:23:53
Defiance was actually a sorta fun game for a while until the show got cancelled and they released a new version of it that ended up being the same, but crappier. It's a third person, open world action shooter.

They linked events in the game to what was going on in the show. Not a big deal, but it was cool to see.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 05 17:32:41
Up to date now. So good.

CrownRoyal
Member Tue Jan 05 18:41:20
That last available episode is nuts. I cursed at Amazon prime for feeding to me one episode atatime

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Wed Jan 06 02:26:48
A man needs his crew to stay civilized.

jergul
large member Wed Jan 06 02:36:34
Seb
Stop feeding Sammy's myth. You have to keep up with expanse. Anything else smacks of public school entitlement and former government employee inefficiency.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 06 02:47:39
Jergul:

Too busy bringing my former public sector can-actually-do attitude to the private sector support to delivering public service by running a chunk of the most effective mass vaccination campaign of a large Western country :-p.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 06 02:48:36
CR:

Was the last episode the one with "Tiny"? Just realised they probably released the next episode after.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Wed Jan 06 03:00:14
Seb is suffering from non-regulated working hours. It is great when you are not involved in projects that will actually tap into it. Not great when you have family and small children and need to watch The Expanse.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 06 03:05:11
Only one niggle, the description of the rocks "yield" feels really out of synch; compared to the relative fidelity they have shown in other aspects of the hard mechanics.

Pretty sure rock 9 was described in hundred megatons range by the text on screen, subsequent ones described in background as hundred kiloton ranges; but the graphics of impact viewed from space (ejecta cones, shockwaves etc) are way beyond that.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 06 03:09:50
Nim:

So much TOIL I'll never get to use. At least they bought back the surplus vacation days that can't be carried over. Both of which is unprecedented exception they've made for our team.

The rule is we get to take TOIL as unutilised time; but some of the team have built up so much that if we use it this FY, it will utterly kill our bonus targets.

At least I got a few days off for Christmas.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Wed Jan 06 03:55:00
Yea, these are dark days. I guess you like me also suck at taking out all you vaccation every (normal) year? I have over the course of the 4.5 years at this place about 25 saved days, and 2021 yields another 30. We have similarly rules for carrying over. On top of that I have 90 parental leave days for my son left, I transfered as much as I could to my wife. I have promised my wife that for the next baby I will be home for an extended period, 6 months at least together with her.

I have a better appreciation for the chllanges of being the parent at home with a baby. Specially the stress of the first one. I regret that the timing coincided with a significant increase in workload for me last year.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 06 03:58:26
My wife is normally quite good at making sure I take most of it. I was worse in not taking it as a civil servant.

I get 25 standard, buy 5 more, and then end up carrying around 5 over (we are only allowed to carry 8 over).

Done this twice in a row and so this year I'm way over max for carry over.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Jan 06 09:25:31
"Was the last episode the one with "Tiny"? J"

yes, thats the one.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Jan 06 09:27:10
I see that episode 6 is available now, so tonight I'll watch it. But I seriously considered just stopping watching, until all episodes are out.

State Department
Member Wed Jan 20 16:32:27
Ok, I don't know how much more Naomi MacGyver / Inaros family drama I can take.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Jan 20 17:01:55
It was gripping. I'd prefer amos or Bobby storylines but family drama was great too, the ending of the last episode, specifically

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Jan 20 17:03:16
Sorry today is Wednesday, new episode is available, I meant the episode from last week. I'll watch the latest tonight

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Jan 20 20:26:15
Oh, these motherfuckers. I have to wait another week now

Seb
Member Thu Jan 21 02:18:41
I'm two episodes behind again -

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Jan 27 18:54:42
Batshit crazy action episode

State Department
Member Wed Jan 27 22:16:02
Pretty sweet ~3 minute long take scene there.

State Department
Member Wed Feb 03 13:07:17
Oh shiiit.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Wed Feb 03 14:01:11
Hold this joint while I flip over to Amazon prime.

CrownRoyal
Member Wed Feb 03 14:18:20
Don't spoil, I will watch tonight EST.

Wrath of Orion
Member Wed Feb 03 22:16:07
Wow, what an episode.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Feb 04 03:03:13
I almost disintegrated into atoms, that is how good it was. And there is no way, season 6 (the next season) can be the last. Jeff Bezos can not watch this episode and think, ”6 Seasons is all I need”. Strike now Jeff, sign the full deal!

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Feb 04 03:39:53
I’m just saying, that might have been one of the greatest hours in sci fi history. I waited a day before writting anything, just to be sure it wasn’t the momentum of all the action, but I am certain, this is better than Star Trek Enterprise, WoO.

Nekran
Member Thu Feb 04 03:47:24
I've been avoiding this thread, watched the season over the past 3 days... it was amazing. Only the writing away of Alex really did feel very weird. My gf had no idea about the shit going on around the actor and thought she'd fallen asleep without noticing for a moment.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Feb 04 04:01:28
SPOILERS!

We all knew Alex was being metoo:ed, we all expected him to die. I think Alex died with his honor intact. It was an abrupt and sober scene, that was out of place for the series and it broke the 4th wall. So, in a way it had more impact.

What I don't know, is why did they kill Fred now? Fred isn't assassinated when the proto-molecule is stole, he dies from a stroke after a space battle, and it should be in the next season. Did they explain the rational for this?

Nekran
Member Thu Feb 04 04:15:57
I'm waiting to read the books until the show is done (I really dislike mixing that), but the assassination did make perfect sense to me. An earther leading belters... not something Marco would approve of.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Feb 04 04:50:56
Don't get me wrong, it didn't feel out of place, it made the whole "terrorist attack" sadder and it coming out of "order" was a mini red wedding for me, I cared about Fred in a way I didn't care for the proto-molecule. Nooo Fred! Too soon! He was taken too soon :,(

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Feb 04 05:17:31
"I'm waiting to read the books until the show is done (I really dislike mixing that"

I couldn't do it. I couldn't even wait for the first book to arrive in the mail, so I read all the plot summaries online for ALL the books. I am the only person I know, who is like this, "spoils" every book and story by reading ahead and jumping around. I am rarely in it for the story anymore, I am in it for the universe the authors created, more than the stories they choose to tell in them. I love the story, it sucks me into the world, but the world/lore keeps me there long after the story is over.

My gateway into fantasy and sci fi, was that I was am a hobby cartographer. I have been drawing maps since I was 6. The day I saw the first map in David Edding's Belgarion, I was blown away. I have never read a fantasy book, that didn't have maps. If it didn't have maps, it indicated a low level of world building to me. And generally this is true, all the epic fantasy stories have well mapped worlds and a crazy level of world building. You do that well and the stories will write themselves.

Some exceptionally well built sci fi universes are Babylon 5, The Foundation series and Dune. I didn't include ST or SW, they are rich worlds, but since the are huge collaborations at this point, it isn't fair to compare them to these small 1-man 2-man, but genius level crafts.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Feb 04 08:04:18
First part was one of the finest TV displays i have ever seen, I almost stroked out myself. The ending felt a bit rushed, like they had to do a lot of setting up the next season. Hard to see how this great tv is going to stop after next season.

Wrath of Orion
Member Thu Feb 04 09:33:12
"was being metoo:ed"

They hired an independent investigating firm to look into the matter and then 5 months later he was let go. A lot of people came forward. This one looked to be legit. Good riddance.

jergul
large member Thu Feb 04 11:18:51
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Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Feb 04 13:14:15
30 women is 29-28 women too many for reasonable doubt to survive, even for a stranger to the details. I have no idea how ”metoo:ed” is being used these days, but I meant, In the positive sense of where one woman’s testimony triggers an avalanche of ”metoo” towards say Bill Cosby, Weinstein and Cas Anvar. They got metoo:ed, good riddance.

But sure, there is the other one, ”god dam they metoo:ed that guy :,(”

Wrath of Orion
Member Thu Feb 04 19:30:09
I have no idea how it is commonly used, I just know what the general attitude of this board toward women is.

habebe
Member Thu Feb 04 19:42:43
"But sure, there is the other one, ”god dam they metoo:ed that guy :,(”

Well in all fairness, its a case by case deal. Weinstein was a predator.

Johnny Depp got burnt by a lying shrew, even after she was proven to be in the wrong and lying while actually admitting to assaulting him he gets kicked off some movies and Amber didn't.

#me too as a movement is very picky ay who they will help. Bidens accuser for example was told to go piss up a string ( not literally)

Seb
Member Mon Feb 08 17:41:01
They can't end after season 6!

Honestly though, I don't buy this whole asymmetric choke point "hold the ring space" bs.

Earth just needs to keep sending Torps through until the fleet therein runs out of PDC rounds.

The sol system must surely out produce the rest by a huge factor.

Seb
Member Mon Feb 08 18:01:59
Klaes Ashford must be avenged.

Renzo Marquez
Member Wed Feb 17 06:18:43
Entertaining show. Just finished season 5. All the other stuff I've tried to watch from Scifi channel sucked (I know Scifi cancelled after season 3). Expanse isn't close to the top tier but it's pretty good.

Man did Drummer hit the wall quickly. Maybe she got into the firewater. Always had the bitchface thing but was looking fine in the early seasons and looks like shit now.

Also, they missed the opportunity of having Murtry drink wine from someone's skull like Karl Tanner did with Jeor fucking Mormont.

Sam Adams
Member Wed Feb 17 12:18:35
Wait so the mars pilot raped a bunch of people in real life and got killed off? Lol that dumbass.

Renzo Marquez
Member Wed Feb 17 12:20:50
Allegedly. I think there's only a Cosby level of accusation numbers and those bitches could be lying or set him up.

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Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 22 11:03:58 Oh my, shit is about to hit fan. What a fantastic start to the season. I am sad to hear though, that after this season there will only be one more season. That means no Laconian empire.
Habebe Member	Tue Dec 22 11:14:27 Never watched past the first season , now that I have weed again maybe I'll tack it on to watch before bed.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Dec 22 11:41:15 My home gym workouts got fun again!
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Dec 22 18:44:35 Going to start watching season 5 tonight. What a great show.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 23 09:41:54 3 episodes in now, A+
Seb Member	Wed Dec 23 16:25:20 Haven't had time to watch it yet... Probably not going to get a chance now until after boxing Day. And then it's back to the 13 hour work days...
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Dec 23 16:44:55 "I am sad to hear though, that after this season there will only be one more season." What exactly is going to happen is unclear. The creators talk about it as a "pause" and that there are a lot more plans for the IP. We'll just have to see what that means.
smart dude Member	Thu Dec 24 02:12:48 "boxing Day" loser
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 24 04:50:56 WoO I read that recently as well, so I am hopeful.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Dec 24 23:33:01 funny how belters fit every stereotype of every ethnic group ever. God I hate them. Ava and Amos need to hook up.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Jan 02 13:53:25 Finished the latest available episode, this top notch TV now.
Seb Member	Mon Jan 04 16:31:41 Finished ep 2 and the big rock of doom suspense is killing me...
obaminated Member	Mon Jan 04 17:47:26 i have the video game, never watched the show. also never played the game because it requires me to play online or some shit.
Seb Member	Mon Jan 04 18:10:38 Nothing so far with the resonance of Klass death...
Seb Member	Mon Jan 04 18:15:09 Theres a video game?
Wrath of Orion Member	Mon Jan 04 19:37:42 Dunno about a video game, but there is a board game. And tabletop RPG (which is actually how the IP started, I believe).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 04 19:58:40 This is the second franchise I have watched/read that was created initially as an RPG world. The Malazan (fantasy) books being the other.
obaminated Member	Mon Jan 04 20:32:01 Nope i was way wrong. I have a game called defiance which is based on a tv show i thought was the expanse.
Wrath of Orion Member	Mon Jan 04 21:23:53 Defiance was actually a sorta fun game for a while until the show got cancelled and they released a new version of it that ended up being the same, but crappier. It's a third person, open world action shooter. They linked events in the game to what was going on in the show. Not a big deal, but it was cool to see.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 05 17:32:41 Up to date now. So good.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Jan 05 18:41:20 That last available episode is nuts. I cursed at Amazon prime for feeding to me one episode atatime
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jan 06 02:26:48 A man needs his crew to stay civilized.
jergul large member	Wed Jan 06 02:36:34 Seb Stop feeding Sammy's myth. You have to keep up with expanse. Anything else smacks of public school entitlement and former government employee inefficiency.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 06 02:47:39 Jergul: Too busy bringing my former public sector can-actually-do attitude to the private sector support to delivering public service by running a chunk of the most effective mass vaccination campaign of a large Western country :-p.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 06 02:48:36 CR: Was the last episode the one with "Tiny"? Just realised they probably released the next episode after.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jan 06 03:00:14 Seb is suffering from non-regulated working hours. It is great when you are not involved in projects that will actually tap into it. Not great when you have family and small children and need to watch The Expanse.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 06 03:05:11 Only one niggle, the description of the rocks "yield" feels really out of synch; compared to the relative fidelity they have shown in other aspects of the hard mechanics. Pretty sure rock 9 was described in hundred megatons range by the text on screen, subsequent ones described in background as hundred kiloton ranges; but the graphics of impact viewed from space (ejecta cones, shockwaves etc) are way beyond that.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 06 03:09:50 Nim: So much TOIL I'll never get to use. At least they bought back the surplus vacation days that can't be carried over. Both of which is unprecedented exception they've made for our team. The rule is we get to take TOIL as unutilised time; but some of the team have built up so much that if we use it this FY, it will utterly kill our bonus targets. At least I got a few days off for Christmas.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jan 06 03:55:00 Yea, these are dark days. I guess you like me also suck at taking out all you vaccation every (normal) year? I have over the course of the 4.5 years at this place about 25 saved days, and 2021 yields another 30. We have similarly rules for carrying over. On top of that I have 90 parental leave days for my son left, I transfered as much as I could to my wife. I have promised my wife that for the next baby I will be home for an extended period, 6 months at least together with her. I have a better appreciation for the chllanges of being the parent at home with a baby. Specially the stress of the first one. I regret that the timing coincided with a significant increase in workload for me last year.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 06 03:58:26 My wife is normally quite good at making sure I take most of it. I was worse in not taking it as a civil servant. I get 25 standard, buy 5 more, and then end up carrying around 5 over (we are only allowed to carry 8 over). Done this twice in a row and so this year I'm way over max for carry over.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 06 09:25:31 "Was the last episode the one with "Tiny"? J" yes, thats the one.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 06 09:27:10 I see that episode 6 is available now, so tonight I'll watch it. But I seriously considered just stopping watching, until all episodes are out.
State Department Member	Wed Jan 20 16:32:27 Ok, I don't know how much more Naomi MacGyver / Inaros family drama I can take.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 20 17:01:55 It was gripping. I'd prefer amos or Bobby storylines but family drama was great too, the ending of the last episode, specifically
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 20 17:03:16 Sorry today is Wednesday, new episode is available, I meant the episode from last week. I'll watch the latest tonight
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 20 20:26:15 Oh, these motherfuckers. I have to wait another week now
Seb Member	Thu Jan 21 02:18:41 I'm two episodes behind again -
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Jan 27 18:54:42 Batshit crazy action episode
State Department Member	Wed Jan 27 22:16:02 Pretty sweet ~3 minute long take scene there.
State Department Member	Wed Feb 03 13:07:17 Oh shiiit.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Feb 03 14:01:11 Hold this joint while I flip over to Amazon prime.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Feb 03 14:18:20 Don't spoil, I will watch tonight EST.
Wrath of Orion Member	Wed Feb 03 22:16:07 Wow, what an episode.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Feb 04 03:03:13 I almost disintegrated into atoms, that is how good it was. And there is no way, season 6 (the next season) can be the last. Jeff Bezos can not watch this episode and think, ”6 Seasons is all I need”. Strike now Jeff, sign the full deal!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Feb 04 03:39:53 I’m just saying, that might have been one of the greatest hours in sci fi history. I waited a day before writting anything, just to be sure it wasn’t the momentum of all the action, but I am certain, this is better than Star Trek Enterprise, WoO.
Nekran Member	Thu Feb 04 03:47:24 I've been avoiding this thread, watched the season over the past 3 days... it was amazing. Only the writing away of Alex really did feel very weird. My gf had no idea about the shit going on around the actor and thought she'd fallen asleep without noticing for a moment.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Feb 04 04:01:28 SPOILERS! We all knew Alex was being metoo:ed, we all expected him to die. I think Alex died with his honor intact. It was an abrupt and sober scene, that was out of place for the series and it broke the 4th wall. So, in a way it had more impact. What I don't know, is why did they kill Fred now? Fred isn't assassinated when the proto-molecule is stole, he dies from a stroke after a space battle, and it should be in the next season. Did they explain the rational for this?
Nekran Member	Thu Feb 04 04:15:57 I'm waiting to read the books until the show is done (I really dislike mixing that), but the assassination did make perfect sense to me. An earther leading belters... not something Marco would approve of.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Feb 04 04:50:56 Don't get me wrong, it didn't feel out of place, it made the whole "terrorist attack" sadder and it coming out of "order" was a mini red wedding for me, I cared about Fred in a way I didn't care for the proto-molecule. Nooo Fred! Too soon! He was taken too soon :,(
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Feb 04 05:17:31 "I'm waiting to read the books until the show is done (I really dislike mixing that" I couldn't do it. I couldn't even wait for the first book to arrive in the mail, so I read all the plot summaries online for ALL the books. I am the only person I know, who is like this, "spoils" every book and story by reading ahead and jumping around. I am rarely in it for the story anymore, I am in it for the universe the authors created, more than the stories they choose to tell in them. I love the story, it sucks me into the world, but the world/lore keeps me there long after the story is over. My gateway into fantasy and sci fi, was that I was am a hobby cartographer. I have been drawing maps since I was 6. The day I saw the first map in David Edding's Belgarion, I was blown away. I have never read a fantasy book, that didn't have maps. If it didn't have maps, it indicated a low level of world building to me. And generally this is true, all the epic fantasy stories have well mapped worlds and a crazy level of world building. You do that well and the stories will write themselves. Some exceptionally well built sci fi universes are Babylon 5, The Foundation series and Dune. I didn't include ST or SW, they are rich worlds, but since the are huge collaborations at this point, it isn't fair to compare them to these small 1-man 2-man, but genius level crafts.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Feb 04 08:04:18 First part was one of the finest TV displays i have ever seen, I almost stroked out myself. The ending felt a bit rushed, like they had to do a lot of setting up the next season. Hard to see how this great tv is going to stop after next season.
Wrath of Orion Member	Thu Feb 04 09:33:12 "was being metoo:ed" They hired an independent investigating firm to look into the matter and then 5 months later he was let go. A lot of people came forward. This one looked to be legit. Good riddance.
jergul large member	Thu Feb 04 11:18:51 http://www..._source=share&utm_medium=web2x
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Feb 04 13:14:15 30 women is 29-28 women too many for reasonable doubt to survive, even for a stranger to the details. I have no idea how ”metoo:ed” is being used these days, but I meant, In the positive sense of where one woman’s testimony triggers an avalanche of ”metoo” towards say Bill Cosby, Weinstein and Cas Anvar. They got metoo:ed, good riddance. But sure, there is the other one, ”god dam they metoo:ed that guy :,(”
Wrath of Orion Member	Thu Feb 04 19:30:09 I have no idea how it is commonly used, I just know what the general attitude of this board toward women is.
habebe Member	Thu Feb 04 19:42:43 "But sure, there is the other one, ”god dam they metoo:ed that guy :,(” Well in all fairness, its a case by case deal. Weinstein was a predator. Johnny Depp got burnt by a lying shrew, even after she was proven to be in the wrong and lying while actually admitting to assaulting him he gets kicked off some movies and Amber didn't. #me too as a movement is very picky ay who they will help. Bidens accuser for example was told to go piss up a string ( not literally)
Seb Member	Mon Feb 08 17:41:01 They can't end after season 6! Honestly though, I don't buy this whole asymmetric choke point "hold the ring space" bs. Earth just needs to keep sending Torps through until the fleet therein runs out of PDC rounds. The sol system must surely out produce the rest by a huge factor.
Seb Member	Mon Feb 08 18:01:59 Klaes Ashford must be avenged.
Renzo Marquez Member	Wed Feb 17 06:18:43 Entertaining show. Just finished season 5. All the other stuff I've tried to watch from Scifi channel sucked (I know Scifi cancelled after season 3). Expanse isn't close to the top tier but it's pretty good. Man did Drummer hit the wall quickly. Maybe she got into the firewater. Always had the bitchface thing but was looking fine in the early seasons and looks like shit now. Also, they missed the opportunity of having Murtry drink wine from someone's skull like Karl Tanner did with Jeor fucking Mormont.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Feb 17 12:18:35 Wait so the mars pilot raped a bunch of people in real life and got killed off? Lol that dumbass.
Renzo Marquez Member	Wed Feb 17 12:20:50 Allegedly. I think there's only a Cosby level of accusation numbers and those bitches could be lying or set him up.
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