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Utopia Talk / Politics / Censoring Trump = PUTIN WINS
Renzo Marquez
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Sat Jan 09 16:25:42
Are the twatter jannies Russian agents?

Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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1. I think that the ban of Donald Trump on Twitter is an unacceptable act of censorship (THREAD)
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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2. Of course, during his time in the office, Trump has been writing and saying very irresponsible things. And paid for it by not getting re-elected for a second term.
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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3. The election is a straightforward and competitive process. You can participate in it, you can appeal against the results, they're being monitored by millions of people. The ban on Twitter is a decision of people we don't know in accordance with a procedure we don't know.
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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4. In my opinion, the decision to ban Trump was based on emotions and personal political preferences.
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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5. Don't tell me he was banned for violating Twitter rules. I get death threats here every day for many years, and Twitter doesn't ban anyone (not that I ask for it).
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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6. Among the people who have Twitter accounts are cold-blooded murderers (Putin or Maduro) and liars and thieves (Medvedev). For many years, Twitter, Facebook and Instagram have been used as a base for Putin's "troll factory" and similar groups from other authoritarian countries
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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4h
7. Those who denied COVID-19 exist freely and communicate on Twitter. Their words have cost thousands of lives. And yet, it was Trump who got banned publicly and ostentatiously. Such selectivity indicates that this was an act of censorship.
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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8. Of course, Twitter is a private company, but we have seen many examples in Russian and China of such private companies becoming the state's best friends and the enablers when it comes to censorship.
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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4h
9. If you replace "Trump" with "Navalny" in today's discussion, you will get an 80% accurate Kremlin's answer as to why my name can't be mentioned on Russian TV and I shouldn't be allowed to participate in any elections.
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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10. This precedent will be exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world. In Russia as well. Every time when they need to silence someone, they will say: 'this is just common practice, even Trump got blocked on Twitter'.
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Alexey Navalny
@navalny
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11. If
@twitter
and
@jack
want to do things right, they need to create some sort of a committee that can make such decisions. We need to know the names of the members of this committee, understand how it works, how its members vote and how we can appeal against their decisions.
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Renzo Marquez
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Sat Jan 09 16:26:08
http://twitter.com/navalny/status/1347969772177264644
patom
Member
Sat Jan 09 16:40:43
Censoring Trump means the sane people of the USA win.
Renzo Marquez
Member
Sat Jan 09 17:13:40
I wonder what kind of KOMPROMAT is out there on patom. He's obviously an agent of PUTIN if he disagrees with Navalny.
Paramount
Member
Sat Jan 09 17:40:54
” Don't tell me he was banned for violating Twitter rules. I get death threats here every day for many years, and Twitter doesn't ban anyone (not that I ask for it). ”


If he doesn’t report it, they might not get their accounts suspended.



” Among the people who have Twitter accounts are cold-blooded murderers (Putin or Maduro)”

Has Putin or Maduro ever killed someone in cold murder though? Have they used their accounts to incite violence or hate? Have they broken any Twitter rule?


” and liars and thieves (Medvedev)”

Not sure if Medvedev has broken a Twitter rule that would get him suspended.

Once when I was a child, I stole a chocolate bar. I have also lied a few times. Twitter hasn’t banned me either because I haven’t broken any of their rules on their platform.



” For many years, Twitter, Facebook and Instagram have been used as a base for Putin's "troll factory" and similar groups from other authoritarian countries ”

Twitter and Facebook has shut down hundreds (or thousands?) of troll factory accounts. Navalny should google it.



” Of course, during his time in the office, Trump has been writing and saying very irresponsible things. And paid for it by not getting re-elected for a second term. ”

He also paid for it by being banned from Twitter.

The trick to remain on Twitter is to follow their rules. Don’t be a dick. Don’t use their platform to incite hate or violence. Okay, maybe you can do it a few times, but if you do it too often and if Twitter gets noticed you may get your account suspended. Which is what happened to Trump. He went too far. Putin would also get banned if he started to tweet that Biden stole the election, and if he then also incited people to march to the Capitol building to stop the steal.

Trump has also said that he doesn’t care about social media. So maybe it is no big deal for him that he got banned. I think people are overreacting on that Trump got banned. It’s not the end of free speech. It’s not the end of the world. He broke the rules and now he has to live with the consequence.



” This precedent will be exploited by the enemies of freedom of speech around the world. In Russia as well. Every time when they need to silence someone, they will say: 'this is just common practice, even Trump got blocked on Twitter'.”

I don’t know. If Russia is silencing critics they probably already did it before Twitter banned Trump. So they can say ’it is common practice’. They don’t need to refer to Twitter.
habebe
Member
Sat Jan 09 17:58:45
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Has Putin or Maduro ever killed someone in cold murder though? Have they used their accounts to incite violence or hate? Have they broken any Twitter rule?"

The Ayatollah has. He has not only celebrated the revolution ( unlawful invasion of US territory) he has called.launching rockets at US soldiers "not enough".

On top of which he is the head of a designated terrorist organization.

But Twitter hasnt perma banned him, however they have removed some.of his posts.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Jan 10 04:35:40
Fuck social media, fuck them in the ass with a cluster of demon dicks. They ban Trump but let some of the most attocious tinpit despits to still use their services, while those same fucking services are restricted or outright banned in the same countries.
habebe
Member
Sun Jan 10 04:46:00
Yeah, Fuck with bears....cause whats worse then getting fucked by bears?
Hrothgar
Member
Sun Jan 10 04:48:21
So in summary:

Don't sensor Trump, Putin wins.

Sensor Trump, Putin wins.

Got it.
patom
Member
Sun Jan 10 16:17:45
Trump could utilize the USPS. He was equally successful destroying them.
Rugian
Member
Sun Jan 10 16:38:49
Hrothgar

Once is a typo. Twice is proof of illiteracy.

"Has Putin or Maduro ever killed someone in cold murder though?"

Are you actually joking? Yes, yes, one thousand times yes.
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