Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump lunatics

Paramount Member	Sun Jan 10 07:12:00 5-minutes of footage and reporting from inside the Trump mob at the Capitol. Highly recommend... http://twi...tatus/1348012270757031939?s=21 ^ You have to watch this from the beginning with sounds on. Are the Trump supporters still saying it was Antifa who stormed the Capitol?
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 10 07:13:35 When you are done watching that 5min video you can read this: (THREAD) Media has yet to do a deep dive on precisely what Trump *said* in his January 6 speech in DC—a speech now called an "incitement to insurrection," and the basis for an article of impeachment coming Monday. This thread unpacks the speech. I hope you'll read on and RETWEET. http://twi...tatus/1347908845281095680?s=21 It’s a bit lengthy (200 tweets) but worth reading.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 10 07:20:33 From what I can see, this was mostly peaceful, like the BLM protests.
werewolf dictator Member	Sun Jan 10 07:57:33 i have seen virtually no one arguing it was antifa supporters.. but i keep seeing anti-trump up posters acting like this is/was some common position
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 10 07:58:23 Yeah, mostly peaceful except when Trump incited them, and when they beated the press/journalists and destroyed their equipment, broke windows, ransacked offices, stole property and killed a police officer. But other than that it was peaceful.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Jan 10 08:26:02 Seth Abramson? Lulz. That clown checks for Russians in his closet and under his bed before he goes to sleep. You might as well seek Louise Mensch's opinion. Why don't you read what Trump actually said instead? http://www...ica-rally-transcript-january-6 "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." This is like the corporate press' "good people on both sides" intnetional misinterpretation after Charlottesville.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 10 09:05:14 Nimi We can only wish they will arrest as many people as they do in BLM demonstrations. RM What does "patriotically" mean in dogwhistle speak?
patom Member	Sun Jan 10 09:06:43 werewolf, might I suggest you watch Meet the Press today. Hell there was even a Republican Congressman standing in the chamber making this claim.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Jan 10 09:22:30 jergul large member Sun Jan 10 09:05:14 "RM What does "patriotically" mean in dogwhistle speak?" Do you blame Jodi Foster for the Reagan assassination attempt?
jergul large member	Sun Jan 10 09:25:46 Jodie Foster held an anti executive branch rally just before the shooting? I had no idea.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 10 09:35:28 A reasonable argument I have not yet seen made is a variant of entrapment. We all agree that the rally should never have been able to morph into something capable of taking the capitol. Why exactly did that happen anyway?
jergul large member	Sun Jan 10 09:44:18 A more general problem with rabble raising. The 35% who may support Trump are generally not the kind of people the Trump family wants to spend time with. Clinton called them deplorables. Trump calls them low class. Ivanka's social circuit has been eradicated.
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 10 09:57:51 So in that video above that I posted... I love the guy at 1:45 who is asking ”What do we get?” ... I think he has misunderstood the concept of America and capitalism. You do not get anything. America is not socialist or communist. He needs to get a job and work. But okay, if they want socialism, if they want to be like Sweden and Norway, then I support them.
patom Member	Sun Jan 10 10:46:55 Paramount if they want to be like Sweden or Norway they would be Bernie Sanders supporters. The Conservatives and right wingers think Sweden and Norway are worse than Cuba or Venezuela.
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 10 11:56:44 ” i have seen virtually no one arguing it was antifa supporters.” He is just one of many: Kevin Sorbo @ksorbs · 6 jan. ANTIFA led the charge into the capitol building dressed as Trump supporters http://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1346924706255966208?s=21
habebe Member	Sun Jan 10 13:38:45 "Paramount if they want to be like Sweden or Norway they would be Bernie Sanders supporters. The Conservatives and right wingers think Sweden and Norway are worse than Cuba or Venezuela." Umm, no. That's nonsense and you know it, Tom. Perhaps hyperbole. Norway is sort of niche nation.Its a small nation that struck oil and has continued to invest the wealth from it generally successfully.Its also a very similar society being almost entirley Norweigan in a small knot group , so the trust levels are high unlike diverse nations which leads to a better functiining society in general.
habebe Member	Sun Jan 10 13:40:34 I should also point out that probably the most popular Bernie supporter wouldmvote Trump over Biden since he thinks Biden has brain damage. (Joe Rogan)
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 10 13:40:39 Patom Have you read a jergul or WTB post recently? If they're at all representaitve of their respective countries, I'd rather have Maduro be my personal financial planner.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 10 13:51:09 habebe Its just a question of making sure everyone are stakeholders. Norway does that better than Sweden. Freedom is another word for nothing left to lose. So make people unfree by giving them a vested interest in the system that is. You have states that are complete fuckups based on Scandinavian immigrants. Those states neglected stakeholder perspective. The woman shot. Well, what did she have to lose? Hence the suicide by cop.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 10 13:56:46 "Norway does that better than Sweden." Shots fired. Paramount, care to comment?
jergul large member	Sun Jan 10 14:46:05 "When both Democrat and Republican electoral votes from Hawaii were presented for counting, Vice President Nixon graciously, and saying "without the intent of establishing a precedent",[64] permitted the Democratic votes for Kennedy to be counted" I think the rehabilitation of Nixon is complete by this point.
Paramount Member	Sun Jan 10 15:04:12 ” Shots fired. Paramount, care to comment?” I’m not sure what Jergul is saying. ” Its just a question of making sure everyone are stakeholders. Norway does that better than Sweden.” That Norway is more socialistic than Sweden is?
habebe Member	Sun Jan 10 15:05:33 Norway was not wealthy until they struck oil. When a population of 5 million native white people stike that much oil, I can't fathom how theybwould not be wealthy.
patom Member	Sun Jan 10 15:07:10 Habebe--: "I should also point out that probably the most popular Bernie supporter wouldmvote Trump over Biden since he thinks Biden has brain damage. (Joe Rogan)" Huh??? A Bernie supporter voting for Trump????
habebe Member	Sun Jan 10 15:46:03 Tom, http://youtu.be/A3N7rPU_1ic He clarifies his response here.
habebe Member	Sun Jan 10 15:47:28 To be fair, a sizeable minoriry of Bernie voters votes Trump over HRC as well. Their overlap is with populism.
patom Member	Sun Jan 10 16:28:48 Personally I would vote for Bernie in a heart beat. It would be cold day in hell before I vote for Trump or anyone with the same personality. I have NEVER in my 77 years found any redeeming qualities in a punk bully like Trump. He's a fucking coward and I've felt that way ever since I started observing him and his actions about 6 years ago. He had not done one thing to change my mind.
Senor Marquez Member	Sun Jan 10 16:53:55 see i am a lawyer.
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