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The Children
Member
Sun Jan 10 11:39:16
http://twi...Fmjs538%2Fxena-hercules-tweets

lmao
Paramount
Member
Sun Jan 10 11:51:15
lol

I love Xena.
Paramount
Member
Sun Jan 10 12:08:43
Plot twist in Act 4

http://twi...tatus/1347403925125799936?s=21
Paramount
Member
Sun Jan 10 12:10:07
^ You need to scroll down to stoneface @StoneFaceBuster
The Children
Member
Sun Jan 10 12:24:30
sorbo seems like he went down da rabbithole for a while now...

his tweets r some crazy shit
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jan 10 12:30:01
Sorbo needs a "DISAPPOINTED!" tweet in between Act 3 & 4


James Woods & Jon Voight are way off the cliff too if you more want fringe celebrities deep in the cult
Fat Fag
Member
Sun Jan 10 12:40:48
Conan's sword:

http://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jan 10 13:08:22
to which Trump would counter by noting Apprentice ratings were bad for Arnold
habebe
Member
Sun Jan 10 16:13:59
Any celebrity that has conservative leanings is probably "off the cliff" to TW.

Meanwhile Eliot page is a thing...She apparently grew a penis.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jan 10 16:36:17
Arnold is an R... he is fantastic in the video

being a cultist and being conservative have little to do with each other

Woods & Voight = extreme cultists... i have no idea their political positions
werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Jan 11 02:09:58
arnold is confused

the night of broken glass was all summer when russophobic rioters set records for damages and store owners couldn't get ahold of window pane replacements from the shortage

january 6th was the reichstag fire where non-organized stupidity is used by russophobes to consolidate one party rule and silence dissenters
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Jan 11 04:39:23
From the Sorbo comments, probably an accurate comment on the state of Hollywood:
[Bob G]: "Poor Xena is hoping tweeting on Sorbo's Twitter and pandering to the left, will get her noticed & she can get better jobs than voice overs in cartoons."

Like I said about Elliot Page, as a cis-gendered white male actor, he should be getting some better movie deals now, if the stories of privilege were true. ;) If Lawless can keep up the Twitter presence, she too can transition and get at least a contract or two.

..
[werewolf dictator]: "the night of broken glass was all summer when russophobic rioters set records for damages and store owners couldn't get ahold of window pane replacements from the shortage"

But, werewolf dictator! That's a false equivalency, since one is clearly worse!

You see, the BLM protests *only* occurred in more than 500 cities across the United States over an eight month period ( http://en...._protests_in_the_United_States ), causing the most expensive property insurance payouts in American history ( http://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html ). In Minneapolis, only a tiny amount of buildings were damaged in the protests — around 1,500 — at a time when businesses were already struggling to stay open due to COVID protocols ( http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/ ). In Portland, it was *mostly* just a single downtown courthouse (small font: and anything in the area) that BLM protestors were attempting to burn down night after night, cutting and pushing down courthouse barricades ( http://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1286915433828724736?lang=en ) and repeatedly forcing police to retreat into the building with serious injuries from Molotov cocktails and IEDs ( http://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1344958011903770624 ).

The New York Times reported that "Black Lives Matter May Be the Largest Movement in US History" ( http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html ), which means that it is quite *in*significant and *un*important in its *negative* ways and only significant and important in its *positive* ways. (again, a false equivalency!)

When BLM reached Washington D.C. in late May, all they did was vandalize, break into, and (partially) burn down the 206-year-old church across the street from the White House when their attempts to break down White House security barriers and storm the White House failed (“St. John’s Episcopal Church, historic church next to the White House, set on fire during protests”, [Washington Post; June 5, 2020] https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/05/st-johns-episcopal-church-historic-church-next-white-house-set-fire-during-protests/ ). During the main 3-day protest, all BLM protestors did was..
- start a makeshift bonfire outside the White House using materials pulled from the area,
- set several more business fires,
- break into and loot shops in the Mazza Gallerie (mall),
- Break into and set fire to the AFL-CIO building,
- Break into a bank and set a fire,
- Loot parking meters, and
- vandalize everything in site, including historic buildings, national war monuments, and historic art installations.
( http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2020/06/01/dc-businesses-damaged-looted.html )
( http://wtop.com/dc/2020/06/dc-protests-of-george-floyds-death-expected-for-a-3rd-night/ )

Such small potatoes! I mean, *parking meters*? That's all I could cherry-pick from that list. Such an insignificant thing. Like, it's full of quarters! So the city lost a few dollars to maintain parking spots? Give me a break! And aren't those things just credit card machines nowadays? So they didn't even lose quarters!!!

The Trumper D.C. Protest was *so* *much* *worse*! Just look at this property destruction!
- One Trump supporter broke a window and smashed a chair! Shameful!
- Someone left a "Don't Tread On Me" flag on broken glass! A-HA!
- "Countless" more windows broken!
- Someone stole a podium!
- Papers everywhere! Like, scattered on desks, dropped on the *floor* (that's where *dogs* *walk* and *shoes* *go*! Not papers!! Bad dog! No!)
- Damaged media equipment!
- Police barriers pushed down!
( http://nypost.com/2021/01/06/rioters-leave-trail-of-damage-in-us-capitol-building/ )
- *More* furniture overturned!!!
- Fire extinguishers deployed!!!
( http://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/washington-dc-election-riots/h_09133a5f561e86e494a7345c19eb6a7d )
- The building looks smoky from the outside!! SMOKE!! OUTSIDE!!! EMPHASIS!!
- And look at the poor faces of the police who got pepper-sprayed! BLM would not do that to police! They respect the police, which is constantly proven when they comment "ACAB", which — as we all know — means "All Cops Are Beautiful". But look at these pictures of Police washing their eyes out. I have *so* *much* empathy for them now which I totally had for the Portland police this entire time because I am super consistent and not just a social media bottom-feeder.
( http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-show-the-aftermath-of-a-siege-on-capitol-building-2021-1 )
- I mean, did you see how scared those representatives were? ( http://ycitynews.com/20234/news/local-leaders-respond-to-siege-on-capital/ ) They even had on escape hoods! That's significant because those aren't just things that they're instructed to grab and don in pretty much any emergency. They're like.. emblematic of just how bad the incident was. It's sort of like when a toddler falls and starts crying. The look on their *faces* is how we know it was bad, not the actual injuries that one can observe. I mean, they barely even had time to take pictures with their phones. Like, can you imagine not having time to **live stream**?

Anyways. Let us finally put this false equivalency to rest. BLM was a totally different animal from Trumpers going into the Capitol Building. The Capitol building was a pure treasonous coup which caused *so* *much* damage to furniture that it honestly makes me cry :'( (mon décor!), whereas BLM just wanted puppies and justice for Floyd. It honestly just shows a big disrespect for BLM to say that they could ever be worse, and I think you guys need to check your white privilege. I mean, show me just *one* example of BLM doing anything wrong, and I will show you how wrong you are by saying, "Treason, though!" and then ignoring your argument. It'll be great, I promise! ;)
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 04:59:04
CC, Hats off for actually citing it all. I'm generally far too lazy to go that far.

I did however find one about the many covid 19 testing cites that BLM destroyed.

http://the...says-70-coronavirus-test-sites

I had several other cites about this in some old threads with Deb about whether or not such protests.would lead to a spike in cases over the summer.
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 04:59:51
causing the most expensive property insurance payouts in American history

( http://www...55-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html ).
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:00:34
In Minneapolis, only a tiny amount of buildings were damaged in the protests — around 1,500 — at a time when businesses were already struggling to stay open due to COVID protocols

( http://www...loyd-protests-riots/569930671/ ).
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:01:25
In Portland, it was *mostly* just a single downtown courthouse (small font: and anything in the area) that BLM protestors were attempting to burn down night after night, cutting and pushing down courthouse barricades

( http://twi...us/1286915433828724736?lang=en ) and repeatedly forcing police to retreat into the building with serious injuries from Molotov cocktails and IEDs ( http://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1344958011903770624 ).
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:02:28
The New York Times reported that "Black Lives Matter May Be the Largest Movement in US History" ( http://www...floyd-protests-crowd-size.html )

, which means that it is quite *in*significant and *un*important in its *negative* ways and only significant and important in its *positive* ways. (again, a false equivalency!)
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:03:51
When BLM reached Washington D.C. in late May, all they did was vandalize, break into, and (partially) burn down the 206-year-old church across the street from the White House when their attempts to break down White House security barriers and storm the White House failed (“St. John’s Episcopal Church, historic church next to the White House, set on fire during protests”, [Washington Post; June 5, 2020]

http://www...ouse-set-fire-during-protests/ ).
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:04:32
During the main 3-day protest, all BLM protestors did was..
- start a makeshift bonfire outside the White House using materials pulled from the area,
- set several more business fires,
- break into and loot shops in the Mazza Gallerie (mall),
- Break into and set fire to the AFL-CIO building,
- Break into a bank and set a fire,
- Loot parking meters, and
- vandalize everything in site, including historic buildings, national war monuments, and historic art installations.


( http://www...businesses-damaged-looted.html )
( http://wtop.com/dc/2020/06/dc-protests-of-george-floyds-death-expected-for-a-3rd-night/ )
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:05:00
http://wto...death-expected-for-a-3rd-night
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:06:11
The Trumper D.C. Protest was *so* *much* *worse*! Just look at this property destruction!
- One Trump supporter broke a window and smashed a chair! Shameful!
- Someone left a "Don't Tread On Me" flag on broken glass! A-HA!
- "Countless" more windows broken!
- Someone stole a podium!
- Papers everywhere! Like, scattered on desks, dropped on the *floor* (that's where *dogs* *walk* and *shoes* *go*! Not papers!! Bad dog! No!)
- Damaged media equipment!
- Police barriers pushed down!
( http://nyp...damage-in-us-capitol-building/ )
- *More* furniture overturned!!!
- Fire extinguishers deployed!!!

( http://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/washington-dc-election-riots/h_09133a5f561e86e494a7345c19eb6a7d )
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:06:57
EMPHASIS!!
- And look at the poor faces of the police who got pepper-sprayed! BLM would not do that to police! They respect the police, which is constantly proven when they comment "ACAB", which — as we all know — means "All Cops Are Beautiful". But look at these pictures of Police washing their eyes out. I have *so* *much* empathy for them now which I totally had for the Portland police this entire time because I am super consistent and not just a social media bottom-feeder.

( http://www...ege-on-capitol-building-2021-1 )
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 05:10:17
- I mean, did you see how scared those representatives were?

( http://yci...s-respond-to-siege-on-capital/ )

They even had on escape hoods! That's significant because those aren't just things that they're instructed to grab and don in pretty much any emergency. They're like.. emblematic of just how bad the incident was. It's sort of like when a toddler falls and starts crying. The look on their *faces* is how we know it was bad, not the actual injuries that one can observe. I mean, they barely even had time to take pictures with their phones. Like, can you imagine not having time to **live stream**?

Now all the lunls are easily clickable.Apologies ahead of time if the links are mixed up with the previous or next post, the one I posted twice as I accidently posted 2 links together.
jergul
large member
Mon Jan 11 05:17:30
Its a bit scary how fundamentally you disrespect the instruments of your constitutional republic.

If fucking matters that whey tried to overrun Congress as it was busy with the business of confirming the next president.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Jan 11 06:02:14
[jergul]: "If fucking matters that whey tried to overrun Congress as it was busy with the business of confirming the next president."

It does matter, yes. And they should not have done it, yes. Violence is the argument of the petty and the desperate, and these Trump supporters joined with BLM's tainted record by engaging in it.

That said, DNC affiliates on social media seem to be using this as proof that they were right all along, when they still hold the bloodier sword. They want it to be so much worse than BLM that concerned citizens wanted direct address of the representatives whom they felt had failed them, that they frame it as "terrorists" "storming" the building with attempts to overrule a "free and fair election" due to the "lies" of
"liar" "tyrant" Trump, the "fascist" "Nazi" "dictator" "liar, liar" who surrounds himself with more "liars" who should all be tried for "sedition" and "liar" crimes. They're trying so hard to control the narrative to make it look like the worst thing in history ("[Not since 1812 have we seen such a thing!]"), that they have outright silenced social media accounts and even *platforms* in order to sell their message. The DNC media is trying to collapse the narrative into one story and making some remarkable parallels in the process:
Between the DNC’s narrative of Russian collusion and the Trump narrative of voter fraud..
— Neither had enough evidence to go through the courts or were otherwise stopped by the courts from proceeding before the compelling evidence was examined
— Both parties promise functional evidence at a later date but have not yet delivered (Trump "fraud" people claim mountains of evidence, but they have no one to verify the claims because judges have shut it down before hearing it; DNC "collusion" people claim that once Trump is no longer president, they can finally charge him with all of that evidence that was classified)
— Both narratives rely on their bases to pay attention to the facts and for the opponent to not know the facts at all (many DNC affiliates seem wholly unaware of the content of the Pennsylvania hearing or any other affidavit gatherings; many GOP affiliates have not seen any of the collusion evidence; both sides have been trained to pay attention to one narrative)

But all the DNC machine has is a few crazies. They'll be posting pictures of that leaping man carrying zip-ties for years — their stand-in for the emotional Zeitgeist power of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand. But zip-tie man was one man. He'll be charged with "seditious conspiracy" and could see 20 years in federal prison ( http://www...b-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html ), likely because he (and some friends?) wanted to tie up representatives and convince them to look at fraud allegations.

But how many people entered the building with the same motive? CNN would have you believe that every single one of them was there for a violent overthrow of a blessed and spotless election, but in reality, only a core group (We'll see the real numbers this week, perhaps) had hints of those kinds of intentions. Most of the people wanted what they got: to meander in, hold signs, take selfies, and yell their pre-planned chants. And just like the people who walked onto the McCloskeys' private street, they should all be charged with trespassing and whatever additional individual crimes they committed. But all the memes have is, "[an unsuccessful coup attempt is still a coup]"; they fail to check the boxes for a real coup, but they want this so much to be the greatest thing ever in history, because they rationalize in "the superlative degree of comparison only" ("Tale of Two Cities"). They want this one moment to undo all the criminal acts that they have committed or supported. If they can control the narrative for a little longer, they might just cement that lie in the Zeitgeist.
jergul
large member
Mon Jan 11 06:12:39
According to a 538 interview, 93% of BLM demonstrations were completely peaceful.

I somehow doubt the Trump Life Matters movement will match that as it moves from being a regime supporter and into the protest category.

There is no doubt in my mind that most of those that marched on the capitol were doing so with the goal of overturning the results of the election.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Jan 11 06:31:57
[jergul]: "There is no doubt in my mind that most of those that marched on the capitol were doing so with the goal of overturning the results of the election."

Then the propaganda has done its work on your soft and smooth mind. The machine has convinced you to dehumanize at large. You, despite sitting in wild ignorance across an ocean, reading biased news from one or two sources rather than combing through hundreds of Twitter, YouTube, and independent livestream videos to see on-the-ground mechanics and the direct speech of individuals, have determined what is in the hearts of every American in a crowd of thousands. You are ready to drop the bomb on Hiroshima. Total war is sometimes necessary to save lives, you'll say.

"A Tale of Two Cities" is relevant twice in a row:
"A wonderful fact to reflect upon, that every human creature is constituted to be that profound secret and mystery to every other. A solemn consideration, when I enter a great city by night, that every one of those darkly clustered houses encloses its own secret; that every room in every one of them encloses its own secret; that every beating heart in the hundreds of thousands of breasts there, is, in some of its imaginings, a secret to the heart nearest it! Something of the awfulness, even of Death itself, is referable to this. No more can I turn the leaves of this dear book that I loved, and vainly hope in time to read it all. No more can I look into the depths of this unfathomable water, wherein, as momentary lights glanced into it, I have had glimpses of buried treasure and other things submerged. It was appointed that the book should shut with a a spring, for ever and for ever, when I had read but a page. It was appointed that the water should be locked in an eternal frost, when the light was playing on its surface, and I stood in ignorance on the shore. My friend is dead, my neighbour is dead, my love, the darling of my soul, is dead; it is the inexorable consolidation and perpetuation of the secret that was always in that individuality, and which I shall carry in mine to my life's end. In any of the burial-places of this city through which I pass, is there a sleeper more inscrutable than its busy inhabitants are, in their innermost personality, to me, or than I am to them?"
jergul
large member
Mon Jan 11 06:36:35
Wow.

My point is more that investigations are justified in having a broader scope than trespassing on Federal property.

Sure, that may be the only thing some people did wrong, but investigators would still be correct in trying to uncover any degree of premeditation in overthrowing government.
jergul
large member
Mon Jan 11 06:39:13
Trump is or next president! = 1st ammendment.
Entering the capitol = trespassing

Trump is our next president + entering the capitol
= Domestic terrorism.

Words matter when put in a criminal context.
habebe
Member
Mon Jan 11 06:44:35
"There is no doubt in my mind that most of those that marched on the capitol were doing so with the goal of overturning the results of the election."

Telepathy?! Holy shit, can you do force choke?( does the wife like that?)

How exactly was it determined that such protests were peaceful? like who is claiming that and what were the parameters?

Does a Trump rally count as a protest? how big of a protest did it have to be?

http://acl...rica-new-data-for-summer-2020/

Ok did a little pre emotive HW and I think I found the source of that statistic.

It claims that racial.justice.protests of which over 80% were BLM affiliated were 93% non violent.

So that means almost 600.violent riots as of september of last year.By their estimation.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Jan 11 07:08:35
[jergul]: "Trump is our next president + entering the capitol
= Domestic terrorism."

Thankfully, laws weren't written in the shortsighted capacities that can produce such an insane equation. In reality, domestic terrorism has a much higher criteria threshold.

..
[jergul]: "There is no doubt in my mind that most of those that marched on the capitol were doing so with the goal of overturning the results of the election."
[jergul]: "My point is more that investigations are justified in having a broader scope than trespassing on Federal property."

I would agree that more investigations need to be done.. which.. sounds oddly consistent with my words regarding voter fraud.. and unlike yourself on this subject, for voter fraud there was a *lot* of doubt in my mind about whether there would be evidence of it. It's almost like being psychically sure of a crime is a bad metric for pursuing prosecution. Maybe instead we should use evidence? Hmm.. No.. It's enough to be sure. The news told me I can be outraged before the evidence comes in, so I'll listen to them.
jergul
large member
Mon Jan 11 07:21:55
CC
We will indeed see if investigations show there was an intent to overthrow government at the basis for storming the capitol.

The outcome will certainly vary.

Habebe
Are you going on the record believing that TLM demonstrations are going to be less violent than BLM?

Its not looking good so far. TLM is sure fond of pepper spray.
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