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Y2A
Member
Tue Jan 12 22:49:50
So far 5 on record:

Katko (NY)
Cheney (WY)
Herrera Beutler (WA)
Kinzinger (IL)
Upton (MI)
Rugian
Member
Tue Jan 12 22:54:01
Traitors to their party, constituencies, and country.
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Jan 12 22:56:20
Trump should be impeached, if the dems were not acting deranged themselves. Alas, the party of inciting blm riots cant really claim the moral highground can they?
Y2A
Member
Tue Jan 12 22:57:43
"Burn that shit down! #ACAB mother fuckers" - President Joe Biden
Rugian
Member
Tue Jan 12 23:02:30
"Alas, the party of inciting blm riots cant really claim the moral highground can they?"

Let me save Y2A the effort and post his usual tired "whataboutism" dodge for him.

AKA the "I have no rational defense I can make here but I'd rather kill myself than admit that my side is ever wrong, so I'll just type 'muh both sides' in order to shirk responsibility and and avoid having to reflect on the sins of my own faction" approach.
Rugian
Member
Tue Jan 12 23:04:45
"I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. And maybe there will be." - Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi
Forwyn
Member
Tue Jan 12 23:20:18
"There will be blood in the streets."

Loretta Lynch

"Who says protests have to be peaceful?"

Chris Cuomo

"There needs to be unrest in the streets."

Ayanna Pressley

"Protesters should not let up."

VP Elect Harris

"You get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere."

Maxine Waters
habebe
Member
Tue Jan 12 23:36:52
Still not enough to convict in the Senate.
Y2A
Member
Tue Jan 12 23:51:04
http://www...02-47f4-90d3-14a23c00afd1.html

Scoop: McConnell leans toward convicting Trump
Mike Allen
Mike Allen, author of AM
President Trump and Mitch McConnell
Photos: Getty Images

There's a better than 50-50 chance that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would vote to convict President Trump in an impeachment trial, sources tell Axios.

What they're saying: "The Senate institutional loyalists are fomenting a counterrevolution" to Trump, said a top Republican close to McConnell.

Why it matters: This would represent one of the most shocking and damning votes in the history of American politics, by the most powerful Republican in Congress.

McConnell's vote would open the door to the possibility that Trump could be convicted and prohibited from running for president again.
An anti-Trump infection is spreading among Hill Republicans:

House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney of Wyoming — the third-ranking House GOP leader, and a top establishment voice — announced that she will vote to impeach Trump.

Cheney said of the Capitol mob: "There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."

The New York Times reported that McConnell "has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him."

Axios is told McConnell sees this fight as his legacy — defending the Senate and the institution against the verbal attack of the president and the literal attack of his followers.
Y2A
Member
Tue Jan 12 23:51:28
with that said, i will believe it when i see it.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 13 00:05:10
"Cheney"

lol
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 00:14:36
Liz Cheney is a neocon who wants America to be engaged in even more forever wars. It's no surprise she hates Trump and likes Biden.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 00:30:59
Trump has no attachment to truth
Trump leads a cult who believes every word he says

what else needs noted? obviously that's a person unfit for office (& a danger to society)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 00:47:13
"
A loyal friend, hounded without mercy by Democrats intent on destroying him from Day 1. Then he lost the election. It made him crazy or revealed a dysfunction I had refused to see. He then unleashed a mob to make war on their own government. 5 to their doom. Liz Cheney is right
"
~ Geraldo


"revealed a dysfunction I had refused to see" is the right answer there
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 01:26:28
>>Alas, the party of inciting blm riots cant really claim the moral highground can they?<<

How many times in your country have you had riots based in anti-police/government sentiments? Many. While embrassing and horrible, most countries, western countries, experience such discontent.

How many times have people stormed congress? 0 times before January 6th 2021.

So, you see, if you believe the Dems pulled retarded stunts during BLM, Trump always manages to outdo everyone. He is truly a pioneer on the frontier of indecent behavior and unprecedented ways to erode national integrity.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 13 01:36:33
"How many times have people stormed congress? 0 times before January 6th 2021."

There are an abundance of instances, and there are pictures to go with it, of protesters in Congress, as recently as the Kavanaugh hearings. Protesters packed into the Speaker's Lobby - the room that cops were so determined to keep Ashli Babbitt out of that they shot her.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 01:56:47
”Protestors in congress”

Yes please link the video of people scaling walls, breaking into congress, fighting with cops, getting shot etc. I missed this from the Kavenaugh hearing.

I don’t know what to make of these comments you make forwyn. You seem to be of normal cognitive function. Are you honestly saying these instances are comparable? Protestors snuck in and stood in the stands reserved for the public and pulled the usual distasteful sjw deplatforming stunts of shouting slogans and holding signs. A shitshow, not remotely comparable. Even in this Trump ”wins”. So, the libs tried to disrupt the hearing of an SCJ? Well, the Trumpicans tried to disrupt the certifying of the presidential election. Even if I were to give you this meaningless concession, Trump ”wins”.

Do you really believe the things you are saying, or are you being contrarian? What is the end game of finding the silver lining in every disaster? Are you part of the positive thinking human potential movement? Look for opportunities, not problems. Is that what you are doing?
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 13 02:04:59
Nimi
Forwyn is obviously concerned that the protesters would storm forward and inflict papercuts on legislators with the congressional passes they had been issued.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 02:33:54
"There are an abundance of instances, and there are pictures to go with it, of protesters in Congress"


and this is Arnold doing the equivalent of taking a tour of the station
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3DU-7a8mP0
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 02:37:13
got anything like this from those Kavanaugh peeps?
http://twitter.com/abc13houston/status/1347226700392902658
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 02:47:49
Nim, forwyn is the king of of incomparable whataboutisms, along with Rugian. They take the most minuscule concept and in their delightful delusions, and solely believe they are on the same scale.

For instance, the quotes that forwyn posted, which are out of context to the points being made, is quick to denounce them and compare them to the comments made by trump and his little entourage. It's funny he that he feels compelled to use those to demonstrate that the "left" is calling for violence, but at the same time, is he saying that Trump was inciting violence also?

And the protesters at the hearing, and other instances that have occured, completely pale in comparison. The leap to connect the equivalency, just demonstrates how completely and logically inept that trumpshits, like forwyn or Rugian, are.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 13 03:06:04
"scaling walls"

Lol, people "scaling" exterior steps is utterly irrelevant. People standing below them, people standing above them. The result of people idling for hours without nothing to do in the middle of the crowd.

"breaking into congress, fighting with cops, getting shot"

Again, ultimately a result of enforcement.

We have hundreds of people crammed into the Speaker's Lobby.

Then we have cops gunning people down out of a group of like fifteen people, with cops armed with long guns right behind them, like it's Thermopylae.

"Protestors snuck in and stood in the stands reserved for the public"

"What is the end game of finding the silver lining in every disaster?"

There isn't a magical silver lining. Trump supporter don't get a handicap.

It's just not the fucking disaster media would have you believe. Congress is a frequent target of protests.

This is not a small group of people sneaking in:

http://www...itol-hill-to-protest-kavanaugh

Also lol @ Delude. "Out of context" when anyone else makes directly comparable, or worse, statements.

"completely pale"

One demonstrable death. Probably two.

And a few Boomers who over-exerted themselves. COUP, INSURRECTION, ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY, UNPRECEDENTED
hood
Member
Wed Jan 13 03:27:50
How many pipe bombs did the kavanaugh protestors sneak into the building? How many people were they attempting to kidnap?

It's almost like legally entering a building as the member of the public to protest isn't the same as forcing your way into a building to disrupt.
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 13 03:32:44
The nice thing about Federal felony charges is both the loss of voting rights and the loss of 2nd amendment rights.

Additionally, the parole system will certainly lead to convictions for violations and more permanent sentencing.

We will see how far this goes, but arrests should number 1000nds, not 100ds.

With any luck, impeachment will drive more insurectionists out of their holes at a time when security forces are at high readiness.

Sometimes, gangrene can only be stopped with amputation.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 13 03:33:57
One device each, at the RNC, and DNC, planted by the same suspect. One individual.

It's almost as if the distinction is irrelevant, with whatever straws you can grasp at to try to broaden the gap.
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 13 03:35:27
convictions* giving loss of rights, not charges.

The irony of also losing the right that protects from slavery on conviction is also amusing. Prison labour exploitation has never been more fun.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 13 03:36:12
"Entering legally to disrupt is okay, fuck that rapist, protest away

Entering when they say 'no' is an insurrection, we must surmise it was a broad attempt to kidnap, based on one Tennessee dude with zip ties"

Why were protesters allowed broad entry during hearing prior to Jan 6?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 03:43:54
Forwyn
"There isn't a magical silver lining. Trump supporter don't get a handicap.

It's just not the fucking disaster media would have you believe. Congress is a frequent target of protests."

This wasn't a "protest":

People scaled the walls.
Were in a melee with police.
Breaking windows and entering the building from every nook and crany.

It was a riot and a riot aimed at the right target is insurrection. I said it during the summer, those people were part of an incipient insurrection.

This was a protest like the BLM riots were protests. We agree on that but, you are not being honest now, or you have like so many other had your grip in reality warped by too many Trump disasters. Everything new way Trump has disrupted the status quo, you have embraced as the new normal. People riot all the time at the capitol, get shot in the face, run around in Viking helmets and zipties in full tactical gear rummaging through the offices chanting "Hang the VP". No big deal I tell you.

You are the one expecting the handicap here, not me.

Personally I think this is a rather poor and unstable cooping mechanism. This was failed coup attempt, even if it was instigated by accident, through the ever careless garbage that has come out of Trumps mouth for 4 years. Liberate yourself from the Trump warp field, smell reality, let it settle.

Remember this guy was proudly saying "shoot somebody and not lose any voters."

Judging from the damage control all you "I am not a Trump supporter" are running now, I would say Trump knew what he was talking about.
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 03:51:20
Lol, yeah forwyn. Those protesters who occupied seem completely threatening. I mean with their weapons of banners, sitting down and all. I mean how can it compare to beating the cops, chasing them, stealing government property, documents, and the like. So, so comparable.




Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 03:57:23
"It's almost as if the distinction is irrelevant, with whatever straws you can grasp at to try to broaden the gap."

The irony of this statement and your justification of the actions of the capitol rioters.
patom
Member
Wed Jan 13 03:59:05
"Lol, people "scaling" exterior steps is utterly irrelevant. People standing below them, people standing above them. The result of people idling for hours without nothing to do in the middle of the crowd."

Maybe they were idling for hours waiting for the great pumpkin to arrive like he promised. To lead them in the fight to over turn the election. You know the guy who told them that he would be with them in their march down Pennsylvania Ave.? There were quite a few who were wandering around asking each other where he was. Maybe Giuliani showed up and told them Donnies inside, Pelosi has taken him hostage.

Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:00:43
"Pipe bombs, and assaults on police, and attack on the Capitol is irrelevant." -forwyn
hood
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:03:09
We can go down the list.

How many kavanaugh protestors illegally brought guns into DC? How many of them brought their own tear gas?

Or rather, how many kavanaugh protestors committed a crime of any kind? How many people felt that their lives were threatened?


You don't really need to answer; we all know that whatever retarded bullshit you come up with will be willfully ignorant. Only in the eyes of the uniquely deranged is any similarity to be found.
habebe
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:09:24
Nimatzo, "This was a protest like the BLM riots were protests. "

Yes and no. First and foremost, this turned into more of a riot than a protest towards the end.

BLM riots were like a 6.5/10, where as I see this as like a level 2-3 riot. Getting the bump to 3 because of its location/timing.

Im not sure the "scaling the walls" makes a difference in this sense, pretty sure this was not needed to gain entry, I'm sort.of unsure what the deal with that was.

Some protesters, from what Ive seen did melee the rent a fence against the cops. Which is wrong. Was there punches thrown or the like at cops?

Im not saying it didnt happen, I just havnt seen that, but Its been a busier than usual week. That could knock it up somenl points in my book.

I have seen the cops letting the protesters in willingly at least one location. As well as the infamous cop selfie, which leads me see this as many of the cops were not really in any fear.

Even the looting of a podium, seems more Frankish than say department stores stripped bare and destroyed.

It definitley got out of hand, what they did was wrong but the location and event seem to be what made it that bad.

BLM had police stations boarding up and fleeing.

I also heard about "armed" rioters at the Capitol. But I havnt heard of any gun arrests, ormhave I seen photos of them armed.
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:12:26
Yeah, I guess you didn't see the cops being punched, assaulted with chemical agents, beaten with sticks, batons, and assault with other devices. Because you didn't see it,means that it wasn't as bad as it is being made out right?
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:14:36
It's like the twilight zone. 'We should base the sale of violence to determine if this as serious or not.' This is the argument of the trumpshits.

'This was only 500k dollars of damage vs 1 million, see, these are two completely different situations.'
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:15:01
*scale of violence
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 04:21:57
habebe
"BLM riots were like a 6.5/10, where as I see this as like a level 2-3 riot. Getting the bump to 3 because of its location/timing."

I am not intenting to compare and argue which was worse. The size of the BLM riots was much larger, but the object of discontent and target was of relative smaller dignity. More importantly there are hundres of police departments in the USA, thousands maybe, that had varying degrees of problem. If one was somehow degraded as result of the BLM riots that wouldn't degrade your nation as a whole, it would be a localized problem. You only have one Congress and an attack on that Congress is an attack on the entirity of your nation and its' integrity.

"It definitley got out of hand, what they did was wrong but the location and event seem to be what made it that bad."

Yet I feel, this "location" part is a detail for most people, even if they ackowledge it. You know, the location and timing was mostly an "accident", or something.
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 13 04:30:14
They were mobilized to be there at that time by the president. He infact controlled the exact moment they were let loose to march on the Capitol.
habebe
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:37:19
Nim, I was reffering to the Seattle PD which was then occupied bychaz for 3 weeks.

I feel like the location ( the Capitol/Congress) is the main factor. The actual.damage done ( physically) seems minor, it was cleaned up in a day mostly.

The fact that it was where it was IMO is the defining factor. If this was at say Twitter HQ with rioters breaking windows and taking selfies, it would blown over by now.

Although calling this a coup seems silly to me, like calling a tomato a missile, it lacks context when compared to actual coups like Pinochet or Iran.
habebe
Member
Wed Jan 13 04:43:00
Jergul, Well, they were supposed to protest what Congress was doing and cheer on others.

Hypothetically, lets say for arguments sake this was 100% intended to be an entirely peacefull protest.

Wouldn't you want to protest and chant While* they were doing what they felt was wrong?
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 13 04:54:18
Their goal was to overturn an election and for Trump to be installed for a 2nd term.

Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 05:33:51
I mean since the argument is comparing other instances to this...should we include the plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan by the same ilk of trump supporters? Clearly, based upon the logic being displayed, this is just as insignificant and irrelevant. Aye?
Renzo Marquez
Member
Wed Jan 13 06:07:11
Y2A loves Cheney.
Senor Marquez
Member
Wed Jan 13 06:16:35
I still pretend that I'm a lawyer.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 07:22:47
Habebe
Shatter windows are easy to fix, don't you wonder the immaterial damage done to you country?

A failed coup is still a coup, an inept failed coup that is instigated even by accident, is still one. A tomato is never a missile, regardless of how you twist and turn the tomato. I feel this has the same hurdle of ambiguity to it, as when I was discussing "is a fetus a human". Yes it is a human, regardless of if it died in the fallopian tubes never witnessing daylight and breathing air or age 44 in a car crash.

If anyone is still confused, listen to what the "protestors" are saying as they "walk in" mostly peacefully I would add. Take their own words for what they hoped to achieve.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 07:31:45
"Nim, I was reffering to the Seattle PD which was then occupied bychaz for 3 weeks."

And I took that seriously (I thought the chance of it shitspiraling had increased, but as always the probability is low), not like others laughing with the benefit of hindsight as CHAZ was dismantled. I just wonder what chrystal ball my liberal friends had, the privied them into these insights, the way my "not Trump voter" friends instantly told us "not a big deal" as the peaceful protesters walked into the capitol and took memorobilia from the walls and floors?

It seems many only see the extremes, that CHAZ or this latest shindig must necessarily lead to the entire USA be set on fire, for us to take it seriously. That there are no other costs associated with them and that these small micro debts do not accumulate like cancer.
patom
Member
Wed Jan 13 07:49:41
There were peaceful protestors around the Capital Building. They were the ones that stayed outside, exercising their Constitutional Rights.

Those that invaded the Capital Building ceased being Peaceful Protestors the second they entered that building.

There were peaceful protestors at every BLM protest and demonstration. They too were exercising their constitutional right to protest.

Those that broke away from the protest and started looting and burning were instantly changed from Peaceful Protestors to criminal thieves and arsonists.
Dakyron
Member
Wed Jan 13 08:23:17
- BLM activist throwing molotov cocktails at police officers, who use tear gas, etc...

Left looks at this and says "stop gassing peaceful protesters".

- Rednecks running through capitol, beating cops to death with fire extinguishers,holding zip ties yelling "Where's Mike Pence?" after orange skinned retard blamed Pence for losing the election.

Right looks at this and says "not a big deal, they are just peaceful protesters".



Americans have more common ground than they think.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jan 13 09:59:15
"justification of the actions of the capitol rioters."

Nonexistent. It just isn't unprecedented.

"How many kavanaugh protestors illegally brought guns into DC? How many kavanaugh protestors illegally brought guns into DC? How many of them brought their own tear gas? Or rather, how many kavanaugh protestors committed a crime of any kind? How many people felt that their lives were threatened?"

Who knows? They were allowed to swarm in and scream and harass Congressmen at the elevators.

Protesters carry weapons all the time, especially now with the threat of counterprotesters. Virtually any protest that evolves into a riot and there are arrests, you can check the news and find participants with weapons charges. These are a small number. I saw zero people with firearms. There were plenty of unarmed Boomers milling around on the Senate floor, though.

Protesters get chucked out of Congress all the time for making a scene, they stage sit-ins, this has historically been cheered, depending who's doing it.

"I guess you didn't see the cops being punched, assaulted with chemical agents, beaten with sticks, batons, and assault with other devices."

Lol, we've been watching that incessantly for the past year.

It certainly is the Twilight Zone. How the fuck did we just exit 2020, a year of historic protests and riots, with unprecedented anger at corporate cronies in Congress, and now we're wringing our hands over a "coup"?
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 10:54:41
"Nonexistent. It just isn't unprecedented."

Your point? 'Violence isn't new, because violence existed before' -forwyn

It's unprecedented you twerp because the nation's capitol with radical trumpshits storming in an attempt to keep trump in power.

Who knows? They were allowed to swarm in and scream and harass Congressmen at the elevators.
"
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 11:02:22
hit submit by mistake...

"Who knows? They were allowed to swarm in and scream and harass Congressmen at the elevators."

So, compare yelling to yelling & assaults & destruction of property & theft of governmental documents & breaking through barricades.

"It certainly is the Twilight Zone. How the fuck did we just exit 2020, a year of historic protests and riots, with unprecedented anger at corporate cronies in Congress, and now we're wringing our hands over a "coup"?"

Because the cities that were affected by violence are in the process of addressing matters as various reforms are taking place. While the violence was definitely unwarranted, and caused by those who care not about the issues, at least it wasn't be perpetuated by a President who continues to stir the point with false claims about how the election was stolen, and inciting his base that would literally die for him.

But, hey, you've already established you cannot tell the difference between the two different concepts.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 11:51:44
"While the violence was definitely unwarranted, and caused by those who care not about the issues, at least it wasn't be perpetuated by a President"

BLM had the widespread support of members of Congress, state and local governors and mayors, attorneys general and district attorneys, multinational corporations, the entertainment industry, and the education sector.

Why is it "more" acceptable for all of those individuals and institutions to throw their support behind a movement that repeatedly descended into rioting and looting and occasionally resulted in murder?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 11:54:53
some dick (R) during the impeachment debate in Congress just said all Trump did was give one fiery speech

he's the ENTIRE reason those people were there, he's the ENTIRE reason they are packed with misinformation, he's the ENTIRE reason they are boiling w/ rage

a constant barrage of bullshit has come from Trump... all his actions should be why they are impeaching, not just his incitement that day

it's not like he ever once knew the details of a court case, or remotely cared about the credibility of an allegation... any allegation or made-up theory that he heard from any source was tweeted out

plus him repeatedly declaring that bullshit proven

plus him being a cult leader whose cult believes everything he says without question, thus even more reason for him to be responsible, if being president not enough
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:08:17
"BLM had the widespread support of members of Congress, state and local governors and mayors, attorneys general and district attorneys, multinational corporations, the entertainment industry, and the education sector."

I am not going to sit here and debate the many instances of BLM protests that were clearly non-violent, versus the instances of violence under the guise of BLM protest. Your attempt of painting BLM as an atagonistic organization has no record being a violent, hostile, takeover of government.

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

*cue Rugina's rage about source material*

"Why is it "more" acceptable for all of those individuals and institutions to throw their support behind a movement that repeatedly descended into rioting and looting and occasionally resulted in murder?"

Because BLM movement hasn't based its platform on murder and overthrow of the government? Versus the trumpshits who condone the actions of kidnapping a governors and threaten their families, hang the vice president because he wouldn't be a bitch of Trump's, assaults the nation's capitol.

We can play this tit for tat game all god damn day long. In the end violence was stupid during the BLM protests where rioters, who apparently were not associated with BLM became violent. That was wrong, but maybe you don't like it because certain people didn't call it wrong, but it does NOT negate the fact that what happened at the nation's capitol should not be heavily criticized and called for what it was.

And that is your problem, you cannot be honest with yourselves. You want to sit here and play "whataboutisms". With that said, either it tells me that you are about a hostile takeover of the government and instill Trump as emperor, or that have no fucking integrity whatsoever. I would argue it would be both.
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:16:11
*you have no
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:18:37
"I am not going to sit here and debate the many instances of BLM protests that were clearly non-violent, "

What's the percentage rate of Trump rallies which have ended in widespread violence again?

"Your attempt of painting BLM as an atagonistic organization has no record being a violent, hostile, takeover of government."

Wrong.

"Because BLM movement hasn't based its platform on murder and overthrow of the government?"

Using violence to intimidate the opposition is not acceptable. And yes, this is a BLM strategy.

http://mob...us/1268415955937513473?lang=en

*side note: way to go Twitter for "cracking down on inciting speech"*
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:26:30
"What's the percentage rate of Trump rallies which have ended in widespread violence again?"

Whatabousism.

"Wrong."

Well, you got everyone there with your convincing arguments.

"Using violence to intimidate the opposition is not acceptable. And yes, this is a BLM strategy."

So your claim of BLM is all about murder and overthrow of the government to instill their leader versus a call on social change?

No, Rugina, it appears not a strategy of BLM.

And thanks for the link, basically a topic about the history of violence for change in America, of instances that occur, and how it plays in some aspects of it. Outstanding! Yep, twitter did it again, double standards!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 12:28:51
"What's the percentage rate of Trump rallies which have ended in widespread violence again?"

What is the difference between a hundred hand grenades and 1 nuclear bomb? It wasn't a building like any other building on a day like any other day.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:30:08
Your arguments are so detached from reality that they don't warrant more than summary dismissals.

If you don't think BLM was engaging in violence to effect political change, then that's on you. There's only so many ways to interpret "pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon."
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:31:49
"It wasn't a building like any other building on a day like any other day."

Ah yes, the "politicians are important, plebs and their stupid businesses are not" argument.

This holds zero capital with me.
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:31:56
"Your arguments are so detached from reality that they don't warrant more than summary dismissals."

Says the person who think the assault on the nation's capitol was nothing out of the ordinary.

"If you don't think BLM was engaging in violence to effect political change, then that's on you. There's only so many ways to interpret "pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon."

Yeah, totally! "Trial by combat!"
Delude
Member
Wed Jan 13 12:33:08
"This holds zero capital with me." meaning you have no point in the first place.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 12:42:43
Rugian
Come on Rugian, you can do better and make make a summary of what I am saying, that I would a sign under. Give it one more shot, for old time's sake.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Jan 13 13:09:09
Funny to see how much retards like Rugian actually hate the underpinnings of their own country.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 13:22:15
Nimatzo - Fair enough.

"It is completely unimportant to me when social justice warriors cause ordinary people's livelihoods to be burned down and destroyed in a frenzied months-long series of riots that are vastly disproportionate to the offense they are supposedly being perpetrated in reaction to.

On the other hand, it affects my deepest sensibilities when I see high and mighty politicians being subjected to those same mob forces for a few hours. I consider this to be way more serious because a) the media I consume has told me that politicians are important people, not like those plebs who I couldn't care about earlier, and b) the sight of a *public* building being the scene of the mob is way more disturbing than watching entire neighborhoods of ordinary people being burned down.

I additionally justify my excessive shock at the latter event by claiming it was a couple attempt, even though it wasn't and even if it was if had zero point zero chance of actually effecting any change. Also because this event was in part prompted by the orange man, whereas the months-long riots were incited and encourage by a multitude of influential voices who objectively are collectively more powerful by far than the president.

Also, I smoke weed. Duuuuuudddddddeeeeee"
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 14:20:35
Wow, I actually thought you were going to be productive, when my eyes caught 3 paragraphs. If only you could have put a third of that effort into actually trying.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 14:21:45
3 paragraphs is an effort for you?

The internet has completely destroyed humanity's attention span.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Jan 13 15:20:27
It is a relative term, relative to the 1 paragraph it requires.
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 13 15:24:36
The Senate majority leader is a fucking smart man. Right now, he is stalling. Waiting for an inevitable extreme right attrocity.

The outcome of the trial will be given after that happens.

Donald made a huge mistake in making an enemy of Mc Connell.

To the rest of the G[aslighting]OP. Are you fucking stupid? Look at what the money is doing.

Trump is done.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 15:30:54
10 R's on the big board for impeachment (4 not voted yet)

~197 morons in the House think Trump is fit for office
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 16:43:31
If that GOP voting ratio holds in the Senate, Donald is safe. Yay!
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 16:45:53
The real question on impeachment now is how long after 2022 will it take the GOP-held House to impeach Biden for something.

It took Pelosi less than a year, so I'm guessing...seven months.

Precedent has been set after all. Convict them in your minds first and find the crime thereafter.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 16:48:47
no reason to think it would... House people are known crazies

Mitch has said he won't hold the trial citing not enough time, but no criticism of the impeachment itself... he could even vote to oust Trump, surely he doesn't want Trump ever running again


Trump allegedly planning to release a video tonight... the smart move would be to read a teleprompter speech that he had no input into that takes the high ground, but let's hope they 'let Trump be Trump'
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 16:52:45
Where is he releasing the video? YouTube nuked his channel yesterday.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 17:27:57
CNN showing it now, probably will go up on @POTUS

looks like he must still fear his legal exposure & has gone with a speech with none of his own thoughts/words

a shame
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Jan 13 17:33:45
President Trump did something right for once. Unfortunately it's way too late. Buh bye.

But it'll be hilarious to see his name and brand in shambles once he's out of office.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 17:35:05
no concession that he lost, of course, or that he actually has NONE of the proof he claims about election being stolen... so he had that much input anyway
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Jan 13 17:35:20
But if we're being fair, I'm willing to bet that statement was more about hoping to get enough of the Senate to not vote against him. I don't think the Senate is going to be nearly as straight forward in terms of voting as Trump fluffers hope.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 13 17:40:42
"I don't think the Senate is going to be nearly as straight forward in terms of voting as people who love America hope."

Admittedly it's likely that you're going to have at least a handful of GOP Senators voting for removal...but to get enough of them for the motion to pass? I don't see the numbers for that.

A lot of them are up for reelection in 2022 after all. And the base is sticking with Trump according to the polls.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Jan 13 17:46:09
I agree it's currently unlikely, but that may change depending on what Trump fluffer retards do between now and the 20th.

If Trump lays low and stops whipping you and the other cultists into a frenzy, and there isn't any violence from the protesting cultists, the votes probably won't be there. If some shit goes down, well, that's another story.
habebe
Member
Wed Jan 13 20:17:30
"Your attempt of painting BLM as an atagonistic organization has no record being a violent, hostile, takeover of government."

http://www...erself-as-trained-marxist/amp/

Marxists by definition are violent and want to overthrow capitalism.Its ingrained into the ideology as much as Klansmen hating black people.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 13 23:11:20
another R for Impeachment:

"On behalf of the American people - on January 21st I will be filing articles of impeachment on Joe Biden."
~ Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R,QAnon)
Delude
Member
Thu Jan 14 04:48:51

"Marxists by definition are violent and want to overthrow capitalism.Its ingrained into the ideology as much as Klansmen hating black people."

Uh huh. Is this one of those 'I hear the word socialism, so I automatically paint it as communism without understanding the complexities of the variants of the word, so I will automatically say it's bad, even though the US government is ingrained with socialistic principles and programs?'

http://www...lives-matter-marxist-movement/
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Jan 14 10:15:33
Rugian
Because I have internalized my hate for you, I will give you a hint and better details-

What is the difference between droping 1 nuclear bomb on Hiroshima vs taking the same amount of explosive energy, put in 1000 bombs and drop them over a couple of hundred cities?

Well, first of all the nuclear bomb is very efficient, it requires 1 plane, but will complete devestate the target. The second, and perhaps more important thing, is shock value. Apparently this is why you decided to drop the bombs on Japan in the first place, since the thousands of smaller ones you had dropped on them, didn't seem to have the desired effect.

Your only analysis here seems to be "omg hypocrisy". That seems to be, not the most important thing for you, but the ONLY thing you care about. Now you desperately want to drag me into your analysis, but unfortunately most of the BLM threads where I am condemning everything from hypocritical politicians to movement itself, having long discussion with seb about racism, are still there to google.

In summary, my CV on liberal excess is quite extensive on these boards. Your attempts of subversion is DENIED.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Jan 14 10:16:53
Wait wait, is Rugian ragging on someone for supposedly being a hypocrite again? That fucker is pretty much the biggest hypocrite on this board.
Delude
Member
Thu Jan 14 10:34:45
Whaaaaat?
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Jan 15 22:08:45
rev "Franklin Graham compared 10 members of the GOP to Judas Iscariot on Thursday after they voted to approve President Donald Trump's second impeachment." [newsweek]
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