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Thu Jan 14 03:56:05
Already we can read the writing on the wall. Oil is on the way out.Saudia Arabia and Norway are working to buffer themselves from that day by investing in other things.

Russia though like SA in how reliant on oil it is but are they planning on a future after oil?

I know they are looking into more agricultural shit with climate change working in their favor ( sort of) plus new shipping routes as an Arctic nation.

And yes, I realize oil will still make $ for a while...but for a country that's pretty much entirely dependant on oil, especially with huge nuclear stockpiles this could ....interesting.

Dors Putin have something up his sleeve?
werewolf dictator
Thu Jan 14 04:47:13
"The value of Russian exports of crude oil amounted to over 121.4 billion U.S. dollars in 2019".. out of gdp of $1.46 trillion nominal [$4.02 trillion ppp].. or 8.3% of gdp [3% ppp]

saudis.. value of petroleum exports.. $202.4 billion.. out of gdp $681 billion nominal [$1.6 trillion ppp].. or 29.7% of gdp [12.7% ppp]

norway.. probably ~$30 billion in oil exports.. out of gdp $366 billion nominal [$350 billion ppp].. or 8.2% of gdp [8.6% ppp]

Net international investment position

norway.. 238.6% of gdp
saudi arabia.. 87.6% of gdp
russia.. 21.8% of gdp
china.. 15% of gdp
usa.. -65.9% of gdp
spain.. -74% of gdp
portugal.. -100.8% of gdp
greece.. -150.6% of gdp

usa with nukes may be more interesting with $27 trillion national debt [and skyrocketing] etc
Thu Jan 14 13:41:39
As of 2012, the oil-and-gas sector accounted for 16% of GDP, 52% of federal budget revenues and over 70% of total exports. Russia is considered an "energy superpower"

So when I said oil, I should have clarified petroleum sector.

The federal budget and the amount of exports are important.

I mean, they are also known for selling military equipment. Im.not sure how vital thatnis to the federal budget, but I'd think its fairly big and would likley grow in importance as oil/gas become.less and less important.

SA is trying, but struggling. IIRC they had planned be un chained to oil by 2020.

I'd give Norway more props, but I dont want to hear Jergul gloat.

China is investing big into renewables, and is not reliant on fossil fuel sales.

Similar tomthe US in that manner.
Thu Jan 14 14:34:07
"China is investing big into renewables, and is not reliant on fossil fuel sales. "

There was just a thread about how Chinese cities ran out of electricity because of the lack of available coal imports...

Like 2 weeks ago at most.

Thu Jan 14 14:37:41

SINGAPORE — Several major Chinese cities have reportedly gone dark as authorities limit power usage, citing a shortage of coal.

Analysts said prices of the commodity in the country have shot up due to the reported crunch. The reports also follow rising trade tensions between Beijing and Canberra, leading some analysts to tie the coal shortages and blackouts to the unofficial ban on Australian coal.

Relations between the two nations soured last year after Australia supported an international inquiry into China’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic. Coal is just one in a growing list of Australian goods that China is targeting, as a result of their escalating dispute.

Last year, China told its power plants to limit the amount of coal imports from other countries to keep a lid on prices.

Beijing reportedly lifted those restrictions later, but didn’t remove curbs on coal imports from Australia. China also reportedly gave state-owned utilities and steel mills verbal notice to stop importing Australian coal.

China is the world’s largest coal consumer and its greatest source of coal imports was Australia. Coal is the energy source that the world’s second largest economy predominantly relies on — even as it has committed to a renewable energy plan. China is the second-biggest buyer of Australia’s thermal coal, a variety used to generate power.
Coal restrictions leading to blackouts?

Prices of coal in China have shot up as a result of the shortage and research firm Wood Mackenzie predicts they will remain high during the peak winter demand period.

“China’s thermal coal market is in chaos, with prices rocketing after daily price index releases were suspended on 3 December,” research firm Wood Mackenzie said.

The report said power rationing “has already commenced” in Hunan and Zhejiang provinces due to the shortages, and there is “little scope” for increased production from Chinese producers.

Concerns about the availability of electricity for ordinary Chinese spiked in December. A widely shared online article listed planned blackouts by the Shanghai State Grid for different parts of Shanghai on Dec. 22.

Other regions have also restricted electricity use, the Shanghai State Grid added.

Some cities, primarily those in southern China, have imposed limits on off-peak electricity usage for factories since mid-December, according to a report last week by the South China Morning Post. In the tech hub of Shenzhen, there have been week-long blackouts in different areas, the report said.

It was not immediately clear whether any of the blackouts actually happened, or to what extent.

Senior economist Marcel Thieliant at research firm Capital Economics said the blackouts are “underlining that China is willing to go to great lengths to harm Australia.”

Chinese authorities have not tied the blackouts to tensions with Australia or the coal restrictions. They instead attribute the restrictions on power use to exceptionally high demand and routine maintenance.

China has used 11% more electricity this December than last year, the National Development and Reform Commission said in December. The department is the country’s top economic planning body.

The commission said the rapid economic recovery, cold winter weather and limited supply have prompted some regions to restrict power use. China’s November coal imports fell 44% from last year, according to data from the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.

As temperatures are set to remain low, the commission said it expects national electricity demand to rise.
A shift in coal flows

China is now turning to alternative sources for coal.

Analysts noted that could lead to a shift in trade flows as Australia’s coal, one of the country’s largest exports, becomes the latest casualty in the trade fight. But experts say the developments will have limited impact on overall demand for Australian coal as it will simply find other markets.

“Trade flows will shift, as Australian coals look for new homes and higher volumes of non-Australia coking coals move to China,” said Wood Mackenzie in a recent note. Coking coals are a variety of coal used to produce steel.

Correspondingly, shifts in other trade flows of coal will occur, with China’s import data showing increased coal imports from Mongolia, Canada and Russia, the research firm said.

Last month, China signed a deal with Indonesia to buy $1.5 billion worth of thermal coal.

Still, China is short of coal, said Wood Mackenzie, with some mills surviving on stockpiles and Mongolian coal prices increasing as the Chinese switch over.

“We suspect that China will continue (and probably intensify) its long-running efforts to reduce reliance on imported coal more generally in the coming years, though it will perhaps take some time to bear fruit,” according to a report by Capital Economics.

Next year, there will still be great pressure on China’s three main coal-producing regions to ensure supply, a national coal industry association said in a Dec. 1 report in the Economic Observer, a Chinese financial news outlet.

But factors such as China’s aim for peak carbon emissions in 10 years give companies less incentive to ramp up production.

Thu Jan 14 14:37:59
You are an ignorant fucktard.
The Children
Thu Jan 14 14:55:05
faaaaakkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeee news, u dumb fuck/

Thu Jan 14 15:46:23
Dakyron, Fossil fuel SALES*

Meaning China is not reliant on income selling fossil fuels.

Im also talking in the next say 20-40 years. With rare possible exceptions every nation is reliant on fossil fuels. Which is differemt from.being reliant on FF sales like SA and Russia.

Norway is the only country in that category that comes to mind that is well on its way to transitioning.
large member
Thu Jan 14 18:08:50
What is wrong with Russia doing the same thing as the US and just expand the service sector?
Thu Jan 14 18:40:31
Russia will be poorly positioned when it has to switch over from being a petrostate to something else (fortunately for them, that won't happen for a long while).

The national culture is simply too corrupt to allow for a more dynamic economy.
Renzo Marquez
Thu Jan 14 19:23:27
US after the dollar loses reserve currency status will be more interesting.
Thu Jan 14 23:11:41
Jergul, I mean I suppose they could. You would probably be more knowledgable about what they are up.to than I. The only thing Ive really read about recently in regards to changing economocs is they are gaining a lot of farm land and shipping routes.
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