Utopia Talk / Politics / Surprise Surprise!!!

patom Member	Thu Jan 14 05:06:04 Trump refuses to pay Giuliani. LMAO, Rudy joins a long line of dumbasses that Trump stiffs. http://www...tion-legal-work-032513094.html
Paramount Member	Thu Jan 14 05:46:57 lol
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 14 06:31:57 Would YOU pay for the level of service that Giuliani provided?
patom Member	Thu Jan 14 07:22:28 Funny, I listened to the Trump speech from the morning of Jan.6. He was all praise and enthusiasm for Rudy. What a great guy. Now here, much to my surprise Trump put him in the stiff pile. You would think that anyone being near the Black Hole that is Trump would be aware that his favor is as fleeting as a shooting star. Now I can add another picture in my mind. One of Trump plucking petals off a daisy. Singing, 'I pay them. I pay them not. I pay them, I pay them not' That chorus being added to last weeks flip flop on his mob. 'He loves them, he loves them not. He loves them, he loves them not.' Would I pay him??? That situation would never arise. Not in my little world. I wouldn't hire him. Would YOU hire him?
Paramount Member	Thu Jan 14 07:35:10 I think it’s more a question of whether Trump has to pay him or not. Is there a contract? If it is then Trump probably has to pay him, unless Giuliani somehow broke the contract. Anyhoo... I don’t really care what they do. I’m fine with Rudy not getting any moneys and I’m also fine with Trump having to pay him all the moneys that he ows him.
Dakyron Member	Thu Jan 14 09:03:38 The truth is that Trump is the patron-saint of assholes in the US. He is such a mega-asshole that wanna-be assholes everywhere love him.
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 09:14:30 trump is the patron saint of *people who think elites are generally groupthink fools who are full of shit as often as not [iraqi wmd.. "foolproof" insurance of mortgages going into 2008 financial crisis.. pee-pee-tape-gate hysteria.. global warming alarmism.. cheering of riots because cops are systematically racist murderers.. replication crisis naivete esp in social sciences.. dogmatic protectionism-phobic "free traders".. blaming hunter biden's lameness on "russian disinformation" that needs censorship.. etc] *trolls.. especially trolls of groupthinking elites not sure who else
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 09:34:20 another good example of a dumb idea shared by elites.. usa should spend the better part of $1 trillion per year defending places like baltics or south korea or taiwan.. while if things go wrong americans get nuked.. while if things go well americans get what [please explain]
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 09:50:20 another example of awful elites.. arming syrian "rebels" in mid 2012 in secret as al qaeda/nusra were becoming dominant fighting force [and other unsavory jihadis still were a more potent force than fsa unicorns]
Habebe Member	Thu Jan 14 11:18:08 Rugian, In all fairness, I don't get why Rudy is practicing law. I think we can all agree his prosecuting days should be well behind him. He should be in a retirement home in Fla.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 11:24:32 “ usa should spend the better part of $1 trillion per year defending places like baltics or south korea or taiwan.. while if things go wrong americans get nuked.. while if things go well americans get what [please explain Can you do the same exercise but for putin? Russia, a poor shithole, should spend money warring in Syria, libya, central Africa, etc. If things go wrong, russians get nuked... explain what russians get if things go well. Maybe this exercise will help you get this explanation you are asking for
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 11:25:45 giuliani was really bad at finding evidence to convince public that election is stolen but whoever biden hired to present evidence that the election was legitimate did an even worse job.. and should not be paid either.. [or did biden not hire any one to convince public that the election was free and fair.. idk]
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 11:46:00 there are things like al qaeda and isis in syria.. also in libya im not opposed to usa fighting isis and supported trump and america in this.. i am opposed to usa aiding al qaeda in syria besides in libya russia supports the usa resident from langley haftar.. why would supporting american deep state agent get russia nuked north korea and russia and china aren't interested in invading us mainland.. otoh groups like al qaeda and isis are interested in terrorist attacks in russia [and on usa] because these people are quite irrational central africa also isn't an area with deep nationalistic or imperial attachments to anyone.. not the kind of coveted sphere of influence place where people aren't likely to back down and so things might go boom.. or place with "attack on one is attack on all".. even if expenses or forces there were more than negligible
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 11:49:35 good explanation, now replace that drivel with whatever american warmongers spew and you get the asnwer you demanded from americans. Except the explanation of what russians get if things go well, I dont see answers to that, maybe think further
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 11:53:56 central africa is not a serious potential flash point between nuclear powers.. like taiwan with china or baltics with russia or south korea with north.. surely even you can see this also.. european nato can pay for defense of baltics themselves.. south korea for its own defense.. and if taiwan can't pay for their own defense then i guess letting them be next hong kong is better than have carrier killer ballistic missiles and threats of ww3 going on
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 11:56:10 if things go well then they don't get attacked by isis or al qaeda keep trying central africa can be thought of as humanitarian mission at most minimal cost.. not 4% of gdp crap
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 11:59:11 Right, right, fight them over there so they dont fight us at home, defending people from terror, protecting countries from tyrants, great powers game blah, blah, what do I need to hear that from a junior russian warmonger, if I can listen to same stuff from the United States of America warmongers, the real deal. Explain what the russians get from putin spending trillions on warring in far away lands. I mean, if you are still interested in getting an aswer to your question, what do americans get? If you suddenly lost interest in that issue, thats fine too
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 12:00:17 "f things go well then they don't get attacked by isis or al qaeda" exactly what americans get, according to american versions of you. Im glad I was able to help you find the answer to your question.
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 12:01:11 i've yet to whine about usa fighting in uganda.. that is most similar trivial thing to this central africa nonsense obsession of yours
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 12:02:14 no no no you dumbass you try to destroy isis and al qaeda not aid them
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 12:04:13 "i've yet to whine about usa fighting in uganda.." no, your question was very straight and specific. "usa should spend the better part of $1 trillion per year defending places like baltics or south korea or taiwan.. while if things go wrong americans get nuked.. while if things go well americans get what [please explain]" since no american replied so far, I thought I can help you. You just needed to explain what russians get from all the distant land military actions by putin, and apply it to american actions. And you did. You are welcome, you have your answer.
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 12:16:18 yes the answer is that russia acts out of self-interest [except tiny sum in central africa].. and gets something out of what they do while usa likes to shoot itself in the head you are welcome for my enlightenment of you
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 12:26:00 “ yes the answer is that russia acts out of self-interest [except tiny sum in central africa].. and gets something out of what they do ” Replace Russia with US, and that is exactly what any American warmonger can say to your dumb face, when you start asking what Americans get, and also laugh at poor Russia, because US can afford to warmonger way more.
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 12:34:40 i'll keep casting pearls before the blind.. or whatever the correct saying is usa is superpower separated by seas from great powers.. only politically crazy people even attack it near its shores once it becomes great power [japan germany al qaeda].. and even then taking and holding territory is laughable.. spending all that money on conventional "defense" is paranoid lunacy otoh russia needs significant defense budget.. since many people like to attack and this includes [besides jihadis] *germans in ww2 [in nato] along with hungarians [nato now] and italians [nato now] and romanians [nato] *all kinds of people [including usa] supporting whites in revolution [usa in nato] *germans and austro-hungarians in ww1 [nato and nato-nato now] *france and england in crimean war [both nato now] *french and austrians and germans [prussians et al] and poland [d warsaw] and italy and denmark-norway in 1812.. nato nato nato nato and nato-nato countries now *sweden under charles xii [they like to pretend they are part of nato now] *poland [now nato] and whoever else before that.. you're not paranoid when others are always out to get you
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 12:42:15 i miss turkey [nato now]
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 12:47:10 usa spends almost as much as rest of world on "defense" [i mean paranoid lunacy] russia spends 5% of world military expenditures on genuine defense against usa and other nato allies and jihadis
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 14 12:59:52 me (Tue Nov 17 2020): " most amusing is Rudy's "The arrangement is, we’ll work it out at the end." this means Trump won't pay a dime :p & Rudy will have to sue ALWAYS get paid up front w/ Trump or you're screwed " in response to an article on Rudy's arrangement which included: [Mr. Giuliani, said the president volunteered to make sure he was paid after the cases concluded. “The arrangement is, we’ll work it out at the end.”] ~NYTimes it was standard practice for Trump to stiff contractors on their final bill to force them to have to sue to get it
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 13:01:32 “ otoh russia needs significant defense budget.. since many people like to attack and this includes [besides jihadis] ” Warmonger says what? While poor russians wallow in poverty, no less, sure, let’s murder people half way across the world. Russians need this. Lol, junior warmongers even try to copy American rationale for spending and killing. “ usa spends almost as much as rest of world on "defense" [i mean paranoid lunacy] ” What’s the interest rate on US treasuries? See, that’s why any American warmonger ultimately can laugh at Russia’s attempt to become the USA junior and at you personally with your sincere concern about US finances, they have economy and way more money
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 13:08:08 again it is canada who wants to be usa jr.. With its blackface wearing pm.. and its deputy pm who boasts she learns her morals from ukrainian nazi grandparents.. you even try to imitate usa "football" its defeating al qaeda and isis and jihadis i support russia doing.. i also support usa doing those things.. when usa is being crazy it is when they are *aiding* al qaeda and their ilk what's rate in 10 years is better question.. usa has worries there not russia
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 13:10:29 also crazy invading iraq for wmd and al qaeda when they aren't there.. but create failed state by invading where al qaeda and later isis thrives etc
Habebe Member	Thu Jan 14 13:11:02 Wwd, Giuliani is bad at everything he does anymore, his prime days are past him. That said, perhaps he could.not find and present such evidence because it doesn't exist, at least not at relevant levels. Im sure there were voting issues, which is to be expected in such an election(s) , but as it stands now it doesn't seem likley there eas enough issues to change the outcome in any meaningful way. Mail in votes were a boon to the Democrats.The Republicans failed to either recognize this or rectify it ahead of time.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 13:15:41 “ what's rate in 10 years is better question..” Google it then, every time you need to find out how US can afford their war adventures. And as for what do Americans get from , ask an average poor Russian what he gets, there is your answer, you are pretending to be a bright guy.
patom Member	Thu Jan 14 13:17:51 "Giuliani is bad at everything he does anymore, his prime days are past him." Maybe he's the only semi competent lawyer that Trump could persuade to come on board. How many lawyers has Trump previously thrown under the bus or stiffed? Word gets around you know.
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 13:21:30 anyway usa economy is on way to likely collapse.. russias economy already collapsed so no worries i only pretend to be werewolf pretending to be person pretending to be werewolf
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Jan 14 13:24:02 Yeah, we cool
werewolf dictator Member	Thu Jan 14 14:21:46 correction that austria is not in nato
jergul large member	Thu Jan 14 15:01:46 This is a really bad time for trump to stiff lawyers. Can he get pro bono legal support in the Senate trial?
Dakyron Member	Thu Jan 14 15:03:27 They might demand a rather large retainer fee if they do defend him. Pay up front, settle the exact bill later. Like buying gasoline back in the day.
patom Member	Thu Jan 14 15:27:28 I wonder if there are any really good defense lawyers that are willing to work pro bono, or with the realization that their work may end up being pro bono. He screwed up having Giuliani. Giuliani made his reputation as a Prosecutor if I'm not wrong. Two different ends of the spectrum.
murder Member	Fri Jan 15 07:21:24 Rudy was a double agent. He skillfully discredited all of Trump's claims of fraud by making a total ass of himself. Rudy was the hero America needed.
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