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murder
Member
Fri Jan 15 15:08:52

https://twitter.com/crazykarens/status/1350140253181517826

In fairness, he was violating her personhood. :o)

Dakyron
Member
Fri Jan 15 15:16:00
Fuck!!!! Its not that hard.

http://twitter.com/crazykarens/status/1350140253181517826
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 15 15:23:05
Yah murder, its really easy. Just do it like this:

https://twitter.com/crazykarens/status/1350140253181517826
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jan 15 15:30:29
That's some serious manufactured outrage by a husky wildebeest. Did Rugian's mom just get arrested?
Y2A
Member
Fri Jan 15 17:11:39
this comment is just for Rugian:

#whiteprivilege
Seb
Member
Fri Jan 15 17:51:55
You will note that the black cop was respectful and did not put his knee on her neck, shoot her or taze her.




Renzo Marquez
Member
Fri Jan 15 18:08:38
You will also note that she didn't die from a fentanyl overdose.
murder
Member
Fri Jan 15 18:57:19

"Fuck!!!! Its not that hard."

Sorry! I don't come by here much anymore and forgot. :o)

werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Jan 15 19:29:01
* george floyd autopsy showed "1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL 2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL"
* knee on floyd's neck was nowhere near the airway
* blacks are killed by police at ~2x rate of whites
* blacks commit homicide at ~6x rate of whites
* men are killed by police at ~20x rate of women
* men commit homicide at ~9x rate of women

if anything numbers suggest police are easier on blacks as they are on women.. unless seb was suggesting epidemic of anti-male sexism among cops
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jan 15 21:41:02
"You will note that the black cop was respectful and did not put his knee on her neck, shoot her or taze her."

"her"

#femaleprivilege
habebe
Member
Fri Jan 15 22:42:54
"Fri Jan 15 17:51:55
You will note that the black cop was respectful and did not put his knee on her neck, shoot her or taze her."

Which makes sense, cops almost never do that to females.
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 03:42:06
http://www...black-woman-porch-scuffle.html

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGFTmB26Ags&list=PLKvj9cWe6hfRImkD9qoNVwq6FmLhqdLqX&index=28

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/25/fired-miami-gardens-cop-arrested-on-charge-of-battery-of-pregnant-black-woman/?sh=344f060735ac

werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Jan 16 03:47:19
atypical

as was the execution style shooting of ashlii babbitt 10 days ago
habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 03:56:48
Seb, Younof all people know the difference between anecdotal and statistical evidence.

I'm rather certain you also know that a white male is far more likley than a black female to be killed by a cop (US)

The Male/Female divide is FAR greater than any rscial disparity. IIRC*** from previous threads blacks by pop. are about 2.5x more likley. Males are about 50x more likley.Not even the same ballpark if my numbers are even close.
murder
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:21:59

"as was the execution style shooting of ashlii babbitt 10 days ago"

My god you are such a sad Russian troll. Ashli Babbitt got her ass shot for being at the front of a mob attempting to break into a restricted area inside a restricted area and at minimum menacing elected officials.

That was a good shoot by any standard. If you popped someone who smashed your window and was trying to climb in, it would be a good shoot ... and YOUR life is worthless.

She also got shot for ignoring a gun that was in plain sight and aimed at her ... which makes her a Darwin Award winner.

Also she got shot for failing to comply ... which as we all know is 100% grounds for getting your ass shot by a cop.

murder
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:24:59

"The Male/Female divide is FAR greater than any rscial disparity. IIRC*** from previous threads blacks by pop. are about 2.5x more likley. Males are about 50x more likley.Not even the same ballpark if my numbers are even close."

What are the numbers of black females vs white females?
habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:33:36
murder, Less.of a discrepancy of white males to black females.
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:39:38
Habebe:

A man of either race is more likely to be involved in a police interaction, so that comparison is baseless unless normalised.
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:43:02
Point is, you have several examples of police brutalising black women in similar circumstances which normally come with a torrent of "but she was resisting" etc.

White middle class woman behaves in similar way and gets treated reasonably.

Habebe's response "but what about the white males?!".

*Sigh*. And yes a few incidences isn't statistics; but specific examples still indicate trends and behaviours.

habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:43:22
Web, Perhaps that is systemic prejudice.

I would like to correct my earlier post, its closer to 20 fold, not 50 fold.

http://www...-death-by-us-police-by-gender/
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:45:05
Stats to compare:

Incidence of death and injury incurred by people being arrested by police during the arrest; broken down by violent and non violent crime, sex, and race; normalised by the number of police interactions with each.

habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:45:34
A.few incidences do NOT indicate a trend in behaviour.

Im sure people can find anecdotal evidence to support ideas that disregard reality.
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 06:50:18
This thread so far:

-A bunch of anecdotal incidents being abused to suggest national trends

-Seb not understanding that disproportionate use of force might be a reaction to disproportionately violent suspects

-People randomly calling me out (why?)

Good stuff all around.
habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 07:05:31
Durian, Your target#1 for a handful of people here.Id guess its a combo of trump derangement syndrome and a response to your past trolling, throw in a dash of same people are probably bored.
habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 07:09:45
Durian=Durian

My typing is sloppier than usual and my autocorrect is filling in...my sleep has been all outnof whack. Been staying at my parents since my dad is set up in the living room temporarily recovering from surgery.
habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 07:10:37
Durian=Rugian....whatevwr, im going to sleep.
murder
Member
Sat Jan 16 08:19:12
lol :o)
murder
Member
Sat Jan 16 08:20:22

I hope your dad gets better ... and you get some sleep. :o)
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 09:02:19
Habebe:
Every time this conversation comes up, you trumpy right wing folk always act like there isn't a pre-existing body of evidence and we are literally starting from a position of total ignorance.

It is, frankly, exhausting.

You claimed that cops almost never do that to females.

You made a definitive claim, so the onus is on you to back that up with evidence.

The purpose of my post was simply to point out it does happen and you can easily find examples.

It is your responsibility to find statistics to support your claim.


Rugian:

A few examples of a national trend. Police incidents of abuse are well documented.

Comparing the four incidents, all captured on camera, none support the idea that the people arrested were more violent than be the others.

Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 09:28:32
Seb

This is not how things work. YOU make the claim (police are systematically racist), YOU provide the citations to back that up.

We know that black people have a disproportionate chance to have a bad encounter with a cop, because they are also disproportionately responsible for violent crime in this country (they are responsible for 52.4% of all homicides - see, that is me backing up my claims with statistics).

Your claim that police treat black people as second-class citizens for no justifiable reason is unsupported.

As for comparing the four incidents:

OP: white woman physically dragged out of a Starbucks and arrested, all for not wearing a fucking mask (which should not be a criminal offense, period). Cops face no disciplinary measures

Seb ex 1: cop who looks about 12 responds to an assault call, loses his cool and tases someone. Put on leave

Seb ex 2: cop yells at an old woman and, when she struggles with him, drags her out of her car. Forced to resign

Seb ex 3: cop called in against a "pregnant" woman (who was only a few weeks pregnant, and later aborted the child), she refuses to cooperate, fights back, and gets tased as a result. Fired

I see nothing to suggest racism in any of these examples.
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 09:30:32
Habebe

murder
Member Sat Jan 16 08:20:22
"I hope your dad gets better ... and you get some sleep. :o)"

Ditto. Also, Dukhat will think this is an angle of attack to be used against you.
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 09:34:29
Oh look, I can find anecdotal examples too:

Cop tasers old [white] woman for fleeing from an $80 ticket

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lj8knsKDHY
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 09:36:09
A police officer Tasered a maskless [white] woman at a youth football game

http://www...a-kitts-taser-mask-video-ohio/
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 09:53:05
Well now I'm spending my morning watching white women get tased. Fml

[White] Woman Gets Tased After Trying To Exorcise A Police Officer

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y5FeyDhhB_U&noapp=1
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 09:56:12
72-year-old [white] woman tased

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ELDVIauJ9ps
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:01:40
Addyston police rough with [white] woman in traffic stop arrest

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNWg0mF5QQ&t=6s
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:07:51
Video shows Vermont [white] woman being hit by officer

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Nk0CFn0k8
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:11:34
TX police department finds pattern of abuse after [white] woman seriously injured in arrest

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEiuxcFrTe0
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:19:31
Bodycam footage: Springfield officer used stun gun on pregnant [white] woman during arrest

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ig10flJvDZ0
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:21:41
i don't think seb has ever firsthand ever seen police in usa in operation.. and instead imagines that extraordinary newsworthy and viral cases are typical

as someone who has seen these firsthand.. typical police encounter is like tv show "cops" except even more boring

police in usa are typically reasonable calm and helpful.. including to blacks

this is why you have people like woke charles barkley and shaquille oneal ridicule "defund the police" nonsense by asking "who are blacks going to call.. ghostbusters"
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:23:51
[White] Woman Tasered After Calling Officer "Honey"

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrsBNRIrzDI
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:26:42
WD

That is correct. Seb's impression of US police is entirely shaped by what he watches online. So he is necessarily getting a skewed perspective on the issue.

Mix in the media's chronic need to make everything an issue about race, and its no wonder Seb thinks black people are chronically abused by the police.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Jan 16 10:39:43
"restricted area"

The Speaker's Lobby? Do we need to bust out the pictures of this restricted area packed with left-wing protesters a few more times?
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 11:18:49
Rugian:

"This is not how things work. YOU make the claim (police are systematically racist), YOU provide the citations to back that up."

Actually, I did not make a claim in this thread. I merely contrasted the calm and respectful approach of the black officer in this incident with the violent ones that we have seen *many* examples of, and every time we see such examples, have you and others set out to justify why such violent behavior was entirely appropriate.

It was Habebe that claimed women in general are virtually never treated violently by cops - in fact there are multiple examples of it happening.

The onus is on Habebe to sustain his claim it virtually never happens.

Hope that clears things up for you - know you are having a hard time right now with Trump being revealed for the treacherous shit bag he is.
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 11:20:20
Rugian:

Also, your subsequent videos - do they not undermine Habebe's claims women are hardly ever subjected to violence?

Remember my point is this OP demonstrates how such situations can be handled with far less violence than the kind you and others habitually defend.
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 11:22:04
Werewolf:

"i don't think seb has ever firsthand ever seen police in usa in operation."

I wonder why you think that. Possibly because you are too poor to afford international travel and not on the US Visa waiver list.

werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Jan 16 11:33:33
so are you claiming to have seen american police responding to 911 style call even once.. maybe you saw them taser a black woman perhaps

probably you are tourist who goes to hotel and also attends academic conference.. unlike seeing blacks abused by police i'd actually find that likely
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Jan 16 11:59:58
did seb with all his implied money visit america and spend time in the 'hood to see how the shit goes down and watch the racist pigs at work

i'm guessing no
Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 13:43:54
Seb

"Actually, I did not make a claim in this thread."

We all know what your implication was, especially when placed in the context of your past posts on police and race.

"It was Habebe that claimed women in general are virtually never treated violently by cops - in fact there are multiple examples of it happening."

And he is likely correct, statistically it is rarer.

"Also, your subsequent videos - do they not undermine Habebe's claims women are hardly ever subjected to violence?'

No it doesn't. I could fill this entire thread with those videos, but at the end of the day they are the exception rather than the rule. 99% of police encounters with people of any race or gender do not result in abuse of force.

"Remember my point is this OP demonstrates how such situations can be handled with far less violence than the kind you and others habitually defend."

George Floyd and this case are not comparable. OP is a flabby middle-aged woman. Floyd was a 6'4" buff man. Sqfe to say it was slightly more difficult to restrain him.

Also, if you go back to he Floyd video, the officers did spend the better part of ten minutes trying to get him in their squad car, using methods similar to the OP. It was only after he threw himself out of the car, writhing and kicking as he did so, that the officer started kneeling on him.

Yes, many incidents can be ended peaceably like the OP. Some incidents are more difficult than that though.

"Hope that clears things up for you - know you are having a hard time right now with Trump being revealed for the treacherous shit bag he is."

How's Brexit going?
Seb
Member
Sat Jan 16 15:46:54
Werewolf:

You are a very funny chap.

Rugian:

I can't really be asked to provide evidence for a claim that was made entirely in your own head.

I've explained the point I was getting at: it's perfectly possible, even normal, to handle these kinds of incidents without the ridiculously heavy handed approach we often see when these things go viral - and which you and others often defend when the person in question being subjected to it is black.

"And he is likely correct, statistically it is rarer."
He didn't say rarer, he said "almost never" which is a far more definitive statement, and as pointed out, it's also not really relevant either to my initial point, or as a comparator.

"I could fill this entire thread with those videos,"
So, practically, these events would be happening? As opposed to "almost" never happening?

"99% of police encounters with people of any race or gender do not result in abuse of force."

And 99.99% of muslims in the UK do not rape children, and yet you and Sam go on and on about Rotherham.

"George Floyd and this case are not comparable. "
The three examples I posted were of course, not George Floyd. Indeed, nobody has mentioned George Floyd in this thread. Who is being annecdotal, again?

"How's Brexit going?"
It's a fucking shit show - disrupting trade, putting people out of business even the fishermen who were supposed to be winners in all of this, trillions of assets and over 90% of European Shares trading leaving the City, Spain taking control of the Gibraltan border and trade policy, and Northern Ireland unable to stock their supermarkets - all the things I said would happen and which you thought was nonsense and rah rah soveriegnty.

This is why nobody should trust your judgement, you are totally clueless before trump, and now having stewed in the magical thinking of populism you've completely lost the plot.


habebe
Member
Sat Jan 16 20:31:11
Murder/Rugian, Thank you. Long story short he has one leg left, and after much arguing I took him to the hospital just in time for his other leg to get a synthetic artery, but he can't use his leg at all, so Im on one couch and he is on the other so I can pick him up into the chair or what not.
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