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Rugian
Member
Sat Jan 16 05:18:13
http://mob...eze/status/1349960161654398976

Weird, isn't it. All of a sudden, blue states are for ending lockdowns. I wonder what's changed.

One day we're going to discover that Covid was a gigantic hoax by the establishment to tank the reelection of the orange man. Fucking disgusting people.
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 16 05:19:52
The day you "discovered" that has long passed.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Jan 16 05:20:18
You dead father was an idiot going by the son,
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 21 15:26:02
Good news for my state: Biden is president now, which means Covid is no longer a threat here!

"Massachusetts: Statewide stay-at-home advisory, early business curfew will be lifted Monday"

http://www...ay/JT67DQCTHZFUVO7TDUCEOF5CXM/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 21 15:55:15
semi-related: Fauci was jubilant at the actual daily press briefing today, his bonds have been freed
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 21 15:57:40
"his bonds have been freed"

What bonds? He's been spending nearly a year blabbing about how he disagrees with Trump on every TV show that will book him.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 21 16:07:41
And why do you still support that man anyway? He lies to the American people all the time.

Just last month he admitted that he intentionally misled the country on the vaccination rate required for herd immunity because he didn't think the public would like the true figure. Imagine that. His *whole* job revolves around advising the country on diseases, and his approach to doing that is to keep the country uninformed on the stats.

You are worshipping an unelected technocrat who thinks that you're too stupid to know the truth about the pandemic that's reshaping our entire lives. That's sad tw.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Jan 21 16:25:02
"We could reach 500,000 deaths" Joe Biden as Rugian is Covid is a giant hoax to make Trump look bad.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 21 16:32:56
IBTY

To put it another way, Biden just announced 100,000 people would die of Covid under his leadership over the next month.

How could this staggering level of incompetence been allowed to happen?!! Biden had MONTHS to prepare for the campaign against Covid, and yet he is letting 100,000 Americans die EVERY MONTH.

He is a failure of a leader and should be impeached immediately.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Jan 21 16:51:43
Stop the sarcasm for a moment and explain what your actual complaint is.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 21 17:08:21
What my complaint is about what? You mangled your first post.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 21 17:13:48
Rugian, Biden has a failsafe for impeachment....Harris.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Jan 21 17:44:35
And Rugian continues to descend further into madness and retardation. What a sad individual, and probably someone who will become a danger at some point. Seek help.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Thu Jan 21 17:59:27
True:

http://pbs...0AIcRTx?format=jpg&name=medium
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Jan 21 18:16:28
To be fair, it was obvious that full lockdowns were unnecessary and counterproductive from the a few months after this all started. We had a few threads trying to explain this to seb a while ago but he was too dumb to understand. Politicians likewise are retarded, so it is no surprise that dems are just learning now what was obvious 8 months ago.

Dont ascribe to malice that which can be explained by idiocy.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 21 21:27:59
Sammy
Depends on what death toll you are willing to accept. You will probably end up with 650k, more if new strains are increasing virulent. Official numbers, so 1 million in the real world.

An honest phrasing would be: Do you want lock downs or do you want 1 million dead?

The answer until october was lock downs. There is a greater willingness to accept deaths now.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Jan 21 23:15:43
1 million dead is one 300th of our people... the very weakest and oldest really so its less than one 300th of our aggregrated lifespans.

A full lockdown for a year ruins more than that. People only have ~80 years.

1/300th is less than 1/80th.

Not to mention the obvious fact that locking down young healthy households makes the above math even more skewed.

What we probably should have done was let the entire young/healthy crowd get it on purpose right at the start, and then go about their normal lives. Thats the best math.
Dukhat
Member
Thu Jan 21 23:17:43
More made up bullshit history.

You lockdown and stimulus to stop exponential spread. Then when the disease is gone you open up with mask mandates and continue as normal. It worked perfectly fine for Asia. Europe had another outbreak because like America, they are full of yahoos that don't want to wear mask or practice reasonable social distancing.

Hrothgar
Member
Thu Jan 21 23:42:38
"it was obvious that full lockdowns were unnecessary".

Only to the fools of the world consider any of the US/Europe sphere based lockdowns as "full".
Full lock downs work for a respiratory virus and there is evidence aplenty.

People don't breath each other's breath. The disease disappears. It's rather simple.

Neither the US or most of the rest of the world took it seriously enough with half assed lockdowns and half assed info from half assed leadership - largely all caused by half assed scientific education mixed with arrogance and naivety.

The "we'll just slow it down" strategy is the failure here. And the oldest generations are the one who are paying the heaviest price with a nice side helping of anyone else who gets sick enough to need a hospital and receiving subpar care due to the hammered heath care system.

Anyone with "lockdowns just don't work" thinking are the same people who IF things would have been done correctly from the start and the disease disappeared would be claiming "OMG like 30000 people died in China and we locked down the world, what a stupid waste of money and time".
Forwyn
Member
Thu Jan 21 23:46:52
"And...continues to descend further into madness and retardation. What a sad individual, and probably someone who will become a danger at some point. Seek help."

What was the count on the "official" whining series?

Pointing out predictably laughably hypocrisy isn't indicative of any level of danger.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Jan 22 00:45:50
"predictably laughably hypocrisy"

Foreskin predictably toeing the Trumpist line.

I feel sorry for his children and wife.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 22 00:45:54
Sammy
That may be your call, but for others, 1 million is too high.

btw. We are at 540 deaths now. And lost less of our economy to covid.

You are not doing it right.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jan 22 03:07:28
"Trumpist line"

Cuckhat predictably doubling down. Less than 20 million shots given (impressive, but this is first dose), still cold weather, hospitals packed, Christmas super spreader that we heard about for weeks is barely in our rearview mirror.

By no metric are we prepared to lift lockdowns, if we're judging with the same set of standards that we were on Jan 19, or Nov 2.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 22 06:02:17
Jergul, The problem woth your 1 million argument is that it must be weighed against the damage of the lock downs.

You seem to think the lockdown are harmless.Now Im.not saying one is worse than the other, only that either choice has repercussions known and unknown and we should weigh them out for. Comparison.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 22 10:12:25
habebe
Lock downs are not harmless. A lot of the harm can be averted with government spending.

The upper cap on a covid-19 like pandemic is 1% of the population dead, many more permanently damaged.

It was 3% in 1918-1919 when the globe was swept by the USA flu (bot the original and the more virulent 3rd wave came from US military camps).
Dakyron
Member
Fri Jan 22 10:44:07
It is more than coincidence that lockdowns are lifting now, but it has more to do with being past the holidays(21 days since New Years) than with a Biden presidency.

Lockdowns over the holidays was a desperate attempt to limit the damage holiday gatherings would have. No one listened and it was a failure.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Jan 22 11:16:20
Ya when i went skiing/climbing over the holidays the interstate was fucking packed. You arent locking down the young/healthy crowd for a year when their death rate is 1 in 10,000. Thats just not happening.
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