Utopia Talk / Politics / What is the difference? (ot)

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jan 23 04:23:01 Between a metaphor and an abstraction. Isn't a metaphor an abstraction?
Habebe Member	Sat Jan 23 05:31:48 Nobody likes metaphors.You'll just be sitting there minding your own business and they come marching up your leg and start biting the inside of your ads and you'll be all lile " hey get out of my ads you stupid rainbows" Oh right, that's rainbows...nm.
werewolf dictator Member	Sat Jan 23 06:04:29 metaphor is basically simile without the word "like" simile.. he is like a rabid dog metaphor.. he is a rabid dog idk about "abstraction".. but i think the platonic idea of a "chair" is an abstraction.. or the idea of a "planet" is an abstraction when talking about the idea in general [and not this or that specific planet] just my [possibly wrong] understanding
chuck Member	Sat Jan 23 09:48:15 The acts of the mind, wherein it exerts its power over simple ideas, are chiefly these three: 1. Combining several simple ideas into one compound one, and thus all complex ideas are made. 2. The second is bringing two ideas, whether simple or complex, together, and setting them by one another so as to take a view of them at once, without uniting them into one, by which it gets all its ideas of relations. 3. The third is separating them from all other ideas that accompany them in their real existence: this is called abstraction, and thus all its general ideas are made. —John Locke, An Essay Concerning Human Understanding (1690) --- Think of a black box on an airplane. Pilots, crash investigators, the media, etc. only have to consider what it does (record data robustly). The mechanism by which the black box does this internally is abstracted away. Only the people who build and maintain the black box need to concern themselves with those details. Also, your phone. Imagine if to use your phone to post on UP you first had to understand the design of the circuitry, read the CPU spec, know exactly how the radio communicated with cell towers, and so on. All of these details are abstracted away though.
werewolf dictator Member	Sat Jan 23 11:27:49 i think chuck's examples come from programming definition and not from history of philosophical terminology.. and are where incurious programmer joe doesn't need to know what is in a subroutine written by programmer don to still use the subroutine [to send data in and get data out] _____ for the historical philosophical meaning you can try http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/abstract-objects/ although imo it's not going to be worth it unless you want to be philosopher
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 24 05:02:46 Abstraction in its main sense is a conceptual process where general rules and concepts are derived from the usage and classification of specific examples, literal ("real" or "concrete") signifiers, first principles, or other methods. -wiki I don’t know, I feel a metaphore is, often, a poetic or succinct way of convenying knowledge or wisdome about something, without literally talking about that something. ”Deriving general rules and concepts from real world examples”. The big difference is that ”abstraction” is heirachical. An abstraction is definitly at the top the the real world examples and it ties them together. Not the case with a metaphor, x is y, not literally (but thinking it is, is useful, because knowledge and dynamics transfer almost literally, if you do. Right? Ok, maybe I am stupid and the way to group them together is too facile. Like, they are both ways to convey a lot of information with relatively few words i.e a summary. I don’t know, I feel they are somehow in the same domain.
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