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Sun Feb 07 12:38:41
Wasn’t it this that Greta warned us about?

Dozens of people are missing and feared dead after a Himalayan glacier crashed into a dam and triggered a huge flood in northern India.

As the dam broke open, a deluge of water poured through a valley in the state of Uttarakhand.

Villages have been evacuated, but officials warned more than 125 people may have been caught in the torrent.

Video showed the floodwater barrelling through the area, leaving destruction in its wake.

"It came very fast, there was no time to alert anyone," Sanjay Singh Rana, who lives near to the Dhauli Ganga river, told the Reuters news agency.

"I felt that even we would be swept away."


What caused the glacial burst?

Navin Singh Khadka, BBC World Service environment correspondent

The remoteness of where this happened means no-one has a definitive answer, so far.

Experts say one possibility is that massive ice blocks broke off the glacier due to a temperature rise, releasing a huge amount of water.

And that could have caused avalanches bringing down rocks and mud.

"This is a strong possibility because there was a huge amount of sediment flowing down," said DP Dobhal, a senior glaciologist formerly with the government's Wadia Institute of Himalayan Geology.

Experts say an avalanche could also have hit a glacial lake that then burst.

Another possibility is that an avalanche or landslide may have dammed the river for some time, causing it to burst out after the water level rose.

sam adams
Sun Feb 07 13:26:44
Seb said there wouldnt be any ice in the Himalaya anymore. This must be fake.
Sun Feb 07 13:30:14
sam adams
Member Sun Feb 07 13:26:44
"Seb said there wouldnt be any ice in the Himalaya anymore. This must be fake."

Sun Feb 07 13:50:31
Sam's bad memory again. I didn't say the Himalayas would melt. An IPCC report on economic impacts included a rogue reference to WWWF report that said it would melt by whenever it was.

Sam said it wouldn't melt. Like he said hurricanes couldn't increase in temperature and frequency.
werewolf dictator
Sun Feb 07 14:20:11
so a negligible number of people died possibly from melting glaciers

big deal.. increases in winter covid-19 deaths have been catastrophic [not negligible] as predicted by real experts..


Why COVID outbreaks look set to worsen this winter - Nature

Oct 23, 2020 — Winter is fast approaching in the Northern Hemisphere, and researchers warn that COVID-19 outbreaks are likely to get worse, especially in regions that don’t have the virus’s spread under control.

“This virus is going to have a heyday,” says David Relman, a microbiologist at Stanford University in California. “We are looking at some pretty sobering and difficult months ahead.”
werewolf dictator
Sun Feb 07 14:25:04
then in normal non-covid year.. cold kills ~4,000,000 people vs heat killing a tiny fraction of that


We analysed 74 225 200 deaths in various periods between 1985 and 2012. In total, 7·71% (95% empirical CI 7·43–7·91) of mortality was attributable to non-optimum temperature in the selected countries... More temperature-attributable deaths were caused by cold (7·29%, 7·02–7·49) than by heat (0·42%, 0·39–0·44).
werewolf dictator
Sun Feb 07 14:27:03
just in england and wales.. official excess weather deaths are horrific in normal years


An estimated 28,300 excess winter deaths occurred in England and Wales in winter 2019 to 2020, which was 19.6% higher than winter 2018 to 2019.

There were an estimated 23,200 excess winter deaths which occurred in England and Wales in the 2018 to 2019 winter, the lowest since the winter of 2013 to 2014.

In the 2017 to 2018 winter period, there were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales.

In the 2016 to 2017 winter period, there were an estimated 34,300 excess winter deaths (EWDs) in England and Wales, which represents an excess winter mortality (EWM) index of 20.9%.
werewolf dictator
Sun Feb 07 14:28:24
tldr version..

greta thunberg should be tried like julius streicher and face death penalty
sam adams
Sun Feb 07 17:13:23
"I didn't say the Himalayas would melt."

Yes you did. For a about a year, before the IPCC issued a retraction. You are not good at thinking for yourself, and only realized that was in error when your prefered diety told you it was, despite the obvious impossibility of the physics.
Mon Feb 08 02:04:55

Protecting hard still. You think I'd read the ippc report on economic and social impacts Vs physical impacts? My go to on that was the Stern report. Much better.

The issue only came up because you were hawking around for climate denial talking points, of which this was one. Like zomog! Tree Rings!!!

You are known for what you yourself describe as exaggerations. You have ADHD. You've simply created a false memory of events.
Sam Adams
Mon Feb 08 11:31:46
I believe you failed out of physics around the same time as your global warming-himalaya failure? Clearly i am not the only one unimpressed with your ability.

If you admitted your mistakes and learned from them, you could have done a lot better.
Mon Feb 08 12:58:18
Aw mate... I haven't failed out of anything in my life, unlike you (military, meteorology etc.).

I'm afraid you are wrong. Again. The Himalaya issue was in 2010. I didn't decide to join the Civil Service until 2011.

And my last journal publication was in 2014.
Sam Adams
Mon Feb 08 14:02:21
"The Himalaya issue was in 2010. I didn't decide to join the Civil Service until 2011."

Tue Feb 09 15:27:09
Those two events are no doubt related. After the collapse of your higher faculties, you sought a job as a bureaucrat.
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