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habebe
Member
Fri Feb 12 22:18:16
http://twi...tatus/1360292623722811393?s=19

No laws required, strength in numbers, ver 70 million strong.

The Saviour will soon be aquitted and will rise like a Phoenix.

#Trumpwillriseagain
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 12 22:19:23
Storm the capitol! Part II!
habebe
Member
Fri Feb 12 22:40:46
Disney has shown they have no problem with liberals promoting child murder via a worshipper, but she says " beep bop boop" in response to tranny pronoun questions and a pre genocide Nazi Germany reference and that's "abbhorent"

Gina will land on her feet and unfortunately American culture will divide further.
Y2A
Member
Fri Feb 12 22:49:53
"who the fuck is gina"
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 12 22:50:07
These false equivalancies are demonstrably false but feel free to keep repeating the lie. It certainly didn't hurt politicians in the modern GOP. Look at lead birther Trump.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Fri Feb 12 23:03:25
So much for her being a less angry Rosie Odonnell
Habebe
Member
Fri Feb 12 23:26:40
Y2a, She was an undefeated MMA fighter/actress.

Cyborg beat her, but it was later found out she was jacked on steroids, even still Gina held her own.

The Daily wire is now having Gina star and produce her own movie.

Forwyn
Member
Sat Feb 13 00:26:26
"false equivalancies"

Lol. A Disney director, still employed, meme'd about putting Trump-supporting children in a woodchipper.

But sure. Totally false, Cuckhat.
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 01:30:50
Dukhat, How is it demonstratably false?

http://the...maga-kids-to-the-wood-chipper/

This link has an image of the tweet.Including the imagery of a person being murdered in a woodchipper.

With the quote "#Magakids go screaming into the woodchipper, hats first"

No reasonable person thinks anything Gina posted was worse than that.

He'll that's worse than anything Trump has said.If Trump has a similar post about murdering Democrats kids, my god, impeachment trial#3 and calls for jailing him.
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 01:39:33
http://www...ion-signatures-1234601436/amp/

Or how about Amber heard. After it was found out she not only lied about being abused, but got caught on tape ADMITTING she was the spousal abuser over 2 million signatures on a petition against her.

Now to clarify, that's for a warner Bros. Film, but Disney has reportedly approached for both starwars and a tangled movie.

But of course Disneys decision againat carrano had nothing to do with politics, they treat non conservatives equally.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Feb 13 01:40:41
Dude isn't a director. he's a producer who hasn't done much in a while. Also apologized which Gina didn't. Doubling down is what gets you in trouble. If Roseanne had apologized right away, she'd still have her show.

And if Trump had admitted he was wrong on the Coronavirus right away, he'd still be president.

But it's a lost distinction on you shitheads because you think of blind loyalty as a trait worth admiring.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 01:53:51
so it's cool to call for the murder of children, literally.He even calls them kids in the tweet, because he said my bad.

Trump did come out and clarify he condemned any illegal and violent acts.

Gina didn't do anything wrong. She offends liberals for existing and bwing conservatives. One of the most Jewish people in the country is her new backer, Shapiro takes that shit crazy seriously, even the weird stuff most Jews don't.
jergul
large member
Sat Feb 13 03:33:19
habebe
She violated her contract obligations and was let go by Lucasfilm. If she wants to contest this, then she would need to do so using the judicial system.

Its actually a bigger deal that her agency is no longer representing her.

I would love to hear the justification for that.
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 04:52:06
Jergul, I'm not actually sure it was a contractual issue, ots possible, Disney is notorious for strict contracts, nothing new there the early years Simpson's workers were bitching about Disney 30 years ago.

That said Disnsy is a company that is reliant heavily on public appearance.Its not a great idea to piss off a large chunk of customers with Hippocratic firings

They praised a government that is actively listed as committing genocide.

They hire spousal abusers and sexual predators.

Even kept on a producer who advocated child murder by brutal means with imagery.

But a popular actress who espoused generally mainstream US conservative views gets canned.

People are right to be pissed.#cancel Disney plus was trending #1.

Gina had several job offers immediately and is now producing her own film.

This may be a blessing in disguose for her career.

Disney was likely within their legal rights.Doesnt mean it was a good choice.

Donald Trump made a perfect phone call legally and soon we will have the verdict on whethwr he incited violence or not...legally.
jergul
large member
Sat Feb 13 04:59:32
Lucasfilm. She was employed by Lucasfilm. Repeat after me: Lucasfilm, Lucasfilm, Lucasfilm.

Most of your post came across as airwave static to me. You do know that the DNC is far to the right of any Norwegian party represented in our parliament, right?

I cannot even relate to the gibberish that is the GOP.
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 05:03:12
Lucasfilm is owned by Disney, so im not sure on your need to point that out.

Yes we realize that Europeans in general are considered extremists in the US.
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 05:04:11
Bit no need to derail this thread to discuss how useless Europe has become.
Habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 05:46:50
Jergul, Apparently you need voter ID in Norway to vote...one of her more controversial statements was one in favor of voter ID...what an extremists.

Her preffered pro puns to be called were once beep bop boop...again just wow, what a monster.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Feb 13 09:30:29
"Also apologized which Gina didn't."

Yeah. His was objectively offensive.

Hers is only offensive if you ignore the years of constant Godwin and apply a Seb double standard. She just got hired by a Jew.

James Gunn got rehired.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 09:44:25
I think she did actually apologize though.

Plus what Forwynn said.

Left or right , I think we can all agree the kids in the chipper bit is out of line, especially for Disney with a steong association to children.
Jebbebiah Wilkins
Member
Sat Feb 13 10:01:13
I like strong, muscled women with male faces.
Seb
Member
Sat Feb 13 10:33:33
Something something salty maga tears?

I love that people pretend they don't get the difference between accusing your enemies of being NAZIs Vs claiming your bullshit grievance is equivalent to systematic genocide.

habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 10:45:28
Seb, Uhm, she never mentioned systemic genocide. She never mentions the holocaust even.She clearly is references pre holocaust days, prior to camps or murder.

a for the difference

Even if we go with your false narrative , calling people commiters of genocide is offensive too.

I havnt even seen any news offended yet, just a bunch of Trump haters.Jews seem unfazed by it, it's the safe space crowd.
Seb
Member
Sat Feb 13 11:05:04
You are still missing the point: comparing republicans being criticised and shunned for their views is in no way comparable in nature to Jews being persecuted for their racial identity.

And neither is the same as calling your political opponent a Nazi.

If you don't get it, you don't get it, but understand this isn't something that's very controversial outside your wing nut cult.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 11:51:47
Racial/religious.

There clearly are similarities. Shunnes from society, store fronts and homes damaged, threatened in public being encouraged.These are similar.

It's not the same as calling someone a Nazi, its actually far less offensive.

And again, what Jews are outraged? Or are people getting offended for them?
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 11:51:50
Racial/religious.

There clearly are similarities. Shunnes from society, store fronts and homes damaged, threatened in public being encouraged.These are similar.

It's not the same as calling someone a Nazi, its actually far less offensive.

And again, what Jews are outraged? Or are people getting offended for them?
Rugian
Member
Sat Feb 13 11:53:59
Seb

To use your own words:

"Comparing someone hyperbolically to the Jews is not equivalent to comparing someone hyperbolically to the Nazis.

In the latter case, this invariably implies that the Nazis merely advocated for border control and lower taxes rather than the systemic annhiliation of millions of people."

In short, you're being ridiculous.
Rugian
Member
Sat Feb 13 11:55:59
There is a very extensively-hwld view that it is okay to punch Nazis.

By comparing Republican voters to Nazis, you are not only ostracizing them from polite society for having "wrong" political beliefs; you are actively encouraging violence against them.

It's sick and offensive.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Feb 13 12:12:44
I agree it is different, accusing people (falsely) of being Nazis is much worse than (falsely) believing you are living the modern day prelude to the holocaust.
habebe
Member
Sat Feb 13 12:33:20
Mind you this Disney. The same company who praises the CCP ( see Mulan) a government which is actively commuting something similar* to the holocaust now and are officially labled as commuting genocide against uighers.
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 05:03:43
Habebe:

No, it's not far less offensive - because you introduce a third party - the victims of the holocaust - and denigrate their suffering by comparing it to your pissant woes - and worse, you start to sound like one of the mad holocaust deniers that constantly play down the holocause and make it out to be far less of a crime against humanity than it was.

The fact you cannot see this is because you are stuck in your own warped little manichean bubble where there is only American conservatives and American liberals and nothing else.
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 05:11:37
Rugian:

Maybe the problem is that when Trump has rallies, so many people that turn up as "loyal republicans" are also carrying neo-nazi regalia.

Nimatzo:

Disagree for the reasons above. One thing to insult your enemies, another thing entirely to denigrate a third party and provide camouflage for holocaust deniers.

And being hated for your views is different from being hated for your race - and to imply that the latter equates to the former is a disgusting attempt to use the holocaust as a political shield.

If you want to Godwin's law, call your opponents Nazis. Don't try and make out your are victims of a genocide.

As for Disney, yeah - it's entirely corporate.
Paramount
Member
Sun Feb 14 05:11:49
But what about Conservatives who are accusing liberals and democrats for being socialists and communists? The US has waged a war and killed communists and socialists. So when conservatists say that liberals and democrats are communists and socialists, they are ecouraging violence against them. They basically wants to kill them.
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 05:12:52
How could anyone think these supporters of a Republican President are NAZI's? It's vile.

http://www...oTCNj7osOd6e4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAK
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 05:16:01
Paramount:

But, but, but, they are communists! Unlike those Trump supporters waving swastika flags and 88 tats - they are just ... being ironic or something. They wouldn't have done it if you hadn't called them NAZI's for doing it.

They only wanted to overthrow an election at the behest of their "God Emperor" - it's completely different from wanting a socialized medical system replacing insurance clerks deciding who gets to have life saving treatment with death panels of doctors deciding who gets to have treatment.
habebe
Member
Sun Feb 14 05:38:14
Seb, Pedro's post did not bring the victims into it?

It LITERALLY had a picture of actual children in the holocaust.

Have you even seen the posts were discussing?

To make it worse, Pedro's post actually calls Jews Nazis while simultaneously minimizing the plight of actual holocaust survivors.

It's two pictures top/bottom. The top is kids at an actual concentration camp.The bottom is a picture that reads " USA now" (paraphrasing)

However its actually a picture of an Israeli detention center, not border centers in the US.

So comparing kids locked up at thw border is not minimizing the ploght of holocaust survivors, or worse implying Israel is equivalent to Nazi Germany somehow does not as you put it

" Sun Feb 14 05:03:43
Habebe:

No, it's not far less offensive - because you introduce a third party - the victims of the holocaust - and denigrate their suffering by comparing it to your pissant woes"

your saying some pretty stupid shit here.

The rest is you trying to label and associate me with holocaust deniers and an ignorant American.Its dismissive and takes away from the debate which you seem to have no idea about anyway.
habebe
Member
Sun Feb 14 05:41:01
http://www...0&bih=560#imgrc=Lrgm-X8q6qaczM

Here is the post yoir defending and yet apparently have never seen.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 14 06:54:09
Seb
” Disagree for the reasons above. One thing to insult your enemies, another thing entirely to denigrate a third party and provide camouflage for holocaust deniers.”

Your ”enemies” here are your fellow citizens and neighbors, btw so we don’t lose track of that in this furious anger. I disagree even more strongly given that. Nazis were savage war criminals, vs thinking your plight is worse than it is. In one case you are defaming someone in another you are deluded. What may or may not provide camouflage and all the other things you read into this and/or that were not said by this person are uninteresting.

You are not a holocaust survivor and I am pretty sure there are plenty of holocaust survivors and evidently their descendant that disagree with you. So, your input as to what they feel is out of place and out if line, especially given that is lacks any nuance.

The first instinct of alot of people, is to pile on whenever their ”enemies” make a mistake and not give them room for descalation. Good luck with that, because that is MAD.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 14 07:48:35
And honestly how is it not disrespecting holocaust survivors, to just throw around the desgination of their molestors, ”Nazi”, around on your political ”enemy”? Personally, as someone with a deep understanding and respect for the atrocity that was the holocaust, I find that at least equally effensive. To me it shows at best a superficial and mostly preformative understanding of the holocaust.m, at worst shortsighted opportunistic attempts to destroy political rivals.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 14 08:04:09
”because you introduce a third party”

The moments anyone mentions ”Nazi” they have introduced this third party, they and the attempt to exterminate them is what made the Nazis, the word ”Nazis” a cudgle that people throw around willy nilly on their political rivals. Without that they would be no different than the German Empire of WW1 or any other regime before that. What you are doing here is the analog to ”the civil war was about state rights”.
habebe
Member
Sun Feb 14 08:41:05
To bring this all down a notch, lets remember that at the heart of this are 2 actors who retweeted memes that neither intended to habe such far reaching offenses.

Pedro wanted to talk shit on Trumpers and call them Nazis.

Gina wanted to express frustration over ostrisizing people for their beleifs.

That's it.I honestly dont think either are anti Semetic.They do seem to like hyperbole and memes.

And some people like to seek out something to be offended over.Again I havnt seen the complaining coming from the people who are suposed to be the ones offended, just others being offended for them.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 14 08:59:58
Seb

No, it's not far less offensive - because you introduce a third party - the victims of the Nazis - and denigrate their suffering by comparing their aggressors to your pissant "enemies" - and worse, you start to sound like one of the mad holocaust deniers that constantly play down the holocaust and make the Nazis out to be far smaller criminals against humanity than they were.

That is the second act of the play.
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 10:07:07
Habebe:

I'm not defending anyone, I'm not even aware of Pedro or whatever.

You need to understand: I. Don't. Care. About. Your. Bullshit. He. Said. She. Said .
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 10:14:45
Nim:

Fair point, opponent would be better.

But my point is that there is an objective and qualitative difference here.

Objectively, it isn't the same because saying person/group A is "a Nazi" (particularly when a bunch of them are attending unchallenged politically rallies of Group A clearly carrying Nazi symbols and political materials) isn't the same as saying your experiences are equivalent to the Jews or other groups murdered by the Nazis.

Yes, the prime example of the Nazis evil was the Holocaust, nevertheless the accusation and comparison remains intangible. And quite well the parallel of the Jews etc. it's often not clear.

However, once you say "I'm being treated like the Jews because I got sacked for attending a really carrying a placard with a swastika" that's a very different kettle of fish.

Qualitatively because being hated or abused for your beliefs isn't the same as being abused for your existence.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 14 11:42:41
Seb
Do you think it is an objective state to feel denigrated by what others (like Gina Carano) say and think? Objectively that is rent free space. It is in this context immaterial what is "objectively" the same or not semantically, when these qualitative states of mind are all subjective.

"And quite well the parallel of the Jews etc. it's often not clear."

It is nested within the concept of "Nazis". Listen, beyond this philosophical argument, I thought your concern was more geared towards the real world and the denigration of other's suffering. You should be able to understand that using the name/designation of someone's molester as a meme could invoke all the same emotions, you believe is singularly exposed when people compare their suffering to the survivors. It seems like a strange hill to fortify, if the concern is victims and their suffering.

Imagine you got raped and the name of your rapist became synonymous with, not only the act, but also a meme in political discourse. This frivolous usage of nazi not only denigrates the victims, it also diminishes the crime and the criminals as well as denigrate people who are neither Nazis or anything like Nazis.

obaminated
Member
Sun Feb 14 11:53:52
She didnt say anything avout democrats or Republicans.
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 13:11:35
Nim:

Ok, so if someone says that Trump supporters are like NAZIs - in that side of them are actually roving around in torch wielding parades and swastika flags - who is being compared to the Jews, and what actions are being compared to the Holocaust?
Seb
Member
Sun Feb 14 13:12:34
It may or may not be nested implicitly, but there's nothing there for a holocaust survivor or whatever to say "are you seriously comparing being cancelled to what I went through??!"
Rugian
Member
Sun Feb 14 13:18:15
Sebs's attempt to creat completely arbitrary distinctions here is maddening.

Newsflash Seb. Carrying tiki torches around isn't what made the Nazis so infamous; it's more of that whole "let's murder millions of people" thing that makes the comparison so toxic.

If you truly think that comparisons to Jews as victims of the holocaust is haram but labeling half the country as mass-murdering fascists is halal, you are simply being a partisan hypocrite. There's no other way to parse it.
Y2A
Member
Sun Feb 14 13:54:32
"Carrying tiki torches around isn't what made the Nazis so infamous; it's more of that whole "let's murder millions of people" thing that makes the comparison so toxic."

According to Rugian, the national socialists were OK (hand sign) until the mid 40s.
Y2A
Member
Sun Feb 14 14:02:31
Here is a clue Rugian: the NSDAP were not "mass murdering fascists" until late in their rule over Germany. They didn't get elected on saying "we are going to mass murder jews" they got elected playing off of resentment towards other European powers due to the Treaty of Versailles and internal resentments from the "Stabbed in the Back" conspiracy theory. Everyone knew about their anti-semetic bs behind the scenes but the conservatives were dumb enough to think they could control the beast.
Y2A
Member
Sun Feb 14 14:10:07
*early-to-mid 40s
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 14 14:31:34
Seb
"Ok, so if someone says that Trump supporters are like NAZIs - in that side of them are actually roving around in torch wielding parades and swastika flags - who is being compared to the Jews, and what actions are being compared to the Holocaust?"

What do you mean who is being compared the Jews? Your concern was:

"because you introduce a third party - the victims of the holocaust - and denigrate their suffering by comparing it to your pissant woes - and worse, you start to sound like one of the mad holocaust deniers that constantly play down the holocause and make it out to be far less of a crime against humanity than it was."

You can introduce this "third party", the holocaust survivors, in more ways than comparing their suffering with your "pissant" woes, you can compare the Nazis to your pissant foes.

You can't have the cake and eat it too. You want to separate the perpetrators of a great evil, from the act itself. The reality is that they caught and killed them all and hunted down the ones that escaped, that is how serious the "survivors" were about "Nazis". It's not just a meme.







Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Feb 14 14:38:17
Seb
>>but there's nothing there for a holocaust survivor or whatever to say "are you seriously comparing being cancelled to what I went through??!"<<

A failure of imagination, but I have already taken you passionate plea, changed a few words and created a coherent and rational second equally passionate plea that involves using "Nazi" to describe political opponents. I can show you actual holocaust survivors who have said as much about the word "Nazi" and how it is used.

TLDR: "Are you seriously comparing these people with the people that tattooed a fucking serial number on my arm to process me and my family for extermination?!?!"
Habebe
Member
Sun Feb 14 14:38:31
Seb, I didn't say you were defending a person, but a stance.

You claimed several times now that the post comparing Republicans to Nazis wasn't as offensive because it didn't bring in thw third oppressed party.

No need to re post it, ita in this thread.

Then you realize you were talking out your ass and didn't see the post that you are calling less offensive.Its a cop out.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Feb 14 14:45:30
She has posted some stupid shit over the last year or so and got fired. Good riddance. If you don't like it, don't watch Disney or whatever group fired her. Problem solved for everyone.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 02:59:25
Nimatzo:

I'm not sure if you are being intentionally evasive.

When someone draws the obvious comparison between trump supports carrying nazi regalia and the actual Nazis; what exactly has a Jewish Holocaust survivor objecting to as an insulting denigration of the 1940s?

Compare this to "by blocking me on Twitter and not going to my shows, I'm betting treated exactly like the Jews in Germany during the 1930s", where our prospective Jewish Holocaust survivor will go "they murdered my entire family! That's doesn't compare to people not wanting to see your show because you said Blacks are all criminals"




Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 03:03:30
I think you are doing something of a bait and switch here, and taking such an expansive view of "introduce a third party" as to be meaningless.

There has to be an identifiable cause of complaint for someone to say you are analagising some mild complaint to genocide. Simply accusing someone of being a nazi may have an indirect implication that they are doing something as morally atrocious as the genocide even though there are plenty of ways people can be "like the Nazis", or even an actual Nazi, without having committed genocide; but without making an explicit analogy to the Holocaust there is no grounds for anyone to complain you are downplaying the Holocaust.

Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 03:08:15
Habebe:

I'm not defending a stance.

I'm saying there are two different things and one is objectively worse.

I'm also saying it is an undeniable fact that some trump supporters do turn up to rallies with Nazi flags and symbols; and they are not turned away or denounced.

Imagine if people turned up to Bidens's rallies waving Isis flags and nobody in the democrats reacted to that, and Biden spoke about "fine people".

I'm sorry, but if the republicans want to be able to say being called Nazi is a deplorable slur, you need to crack down on that shit and stop tolerating three neo Nazis that believe they can be a republican; or get rid of politicians that openly court such people alongside their mainstream republican constituents.

Otherwise yes, you will be tainted.


Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 15 04:59:00
Seb, In context your argument doesnt make much sense considering prior to you jumping in we were clearly talking about Disney's choice to fire or look away at specific behaviour.The very meme that compared Republicans to Nazis, very clearly brought in the 3rd party of "unktermenschen".

As for you other argument, you have drank the kool aid.They were clearly denounced.And IIRC it was. A hand full. Of symbols at one rally, IIRC was protesting BLM, an admitted Communist led group.

Yes he said there were good people on both sides, Ive never grasped why that's a bad thing to say. During WWII with actual Nazis and Soviets there was good and bad people on all sides, so what?

To consider the Republican party "tainted" because of one incident with mabey 3 people is a a drama queen move.

Would you consider the UK Conservative party pro beastiality?

Would you consider the US Democratic party the party of the Klu Klux Klan considering Senator Byrd, a close friend of Bidens IIRC he spoke at his funeral.

Or how about people who wear Che shirts/flags, does that put the US Dem. Party in support of mass murder?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Feb 15 05:57:43
“I'm not sure if you are being intentionally evasive.”
I am trying to understand you and why you think being invoked as a “third party” in the case of holocaust survivors is exclusively something that happens when someone erroneously thinks their suffering is equal to theirs and not when people erroneously equate their opponents to the Nazis.
The word “Nazi”, wouldn’t pack the punch it does, if it wasn’t for the fact that we can actually parse and talk about “holocaust survivors” as a concept. The English word “holocaust” is now singularly synonymous with what the Nazis did. In other words, a table is only a table because it has legs, otherwise it just a flat piece of wood on the floor. We agree on this, I think.
“When someone draws the obvious comparison between trump supports carrying nazi regalia and the actual Nazis; what exactly has a Jewish Holocaust survivor objecting to as an insulting denigration of the 1940s?”

I am sure that are actual cases where calling people Nazis, isn’t a falsehood or close enough to the truth where it wouldn’t be problematic, but you used blanked statement about “calling your opponents Nazis is different…” and what I understand as a principle argument about “denigrating suffering” via false equivalencies to “pissant” worries. I think we both agree, there are many many instances where this isn’t the case, i.e calling an opponent Nazi is precisely denigrating the suffering those that suffered at their hands by comparing, at best a neckbeard with poor social skills, to Nazis. You have to my knowledge never been bothered by this as it has gone on, on this forum. And your answer as to why, is that there is a semantic and philosophical difference between saying “my suffering is like the Jews”, “My opponents are like the Nazis”. Be that as it may, there is no practical real world difference, in the emotions that it can stir among holocaust survivors. Is your concern harm, or semantics? Because we both agree Nazis are a unique evil in history, even uniquely well documented by the perps themselves.
I have no idea why you are so resistant to what I am saying*?! Without the holocaust, we wouldn’t be talking about Nazis, any different than the German Empire, virtually nothing was unique about the Nazis, besides the ideological encoded anti-semitism and their practical work implementing a solution to “Jews”.

“I think you are doing something of a bait and switch here,”
Interesting, because I am only taking your stance about “involving a third party” and “denigrating their suffering” seriously. Now, *I* personally have rather liberal attitude towards what people can and cannot say, I am extremely forgiving towards the stupid things people say and believe and I have consistently, even when these people were what I found to be obnoxious feminist types, being fired from gaming companies. I am consistently in favor of forgiveness and an easy road to redemption. Yet I have to admit I am disturbed by the liberal attitude liberals have towards the usage of the word Nazi when it suits their purpose. I do believe it is their right to use it, just like Carrano can live in a, according to you, delusion about here suffering. But there are costs to all these things, beyond the semantic difference, there is a cost to throwing “Nazis” around where it doesn’t belong. One of them certainly (I can provide you survivor references if you have doubts) is the denigration of their suffering. Again, I point you to the decades of never ending hunt for escaped Nazis, some of them done by actual holocaust survivors. It isn’t denigrating to them that we call opponents Nazis.

*I think you don’t believe I believe what I am saying, let me put that worry to rest. I believe EVERY word I am saying about how the frivolous usage of “Nazi” denigrates the memory of the survivors. I just don’t believe people should lose their jobs and be ostracized for doing that, nor compare, no matter how deluded, their suffering to the survivors of the holocaust.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Feb 15 06:01:05
Delete last post, formatting got messed up.

“I'm not sure if you are being intentionally evasive.”

I am trying to understand you and why you think being invoked as a “third party” in the case of holocaust survivors is exclusively something that happens when someone erroneously thinks their suffering is equal to theirs and not when people erroneously equate their opponents to the Nazis.

The word “Nazi”, wouldn’t pack the punch it does, if it wasn’t for the fact that we can actually parse and talk about “holocaust survivors” as a concept. The English word “holocaust” is now singularly synonymous with what the Nazis did. In other words, a table is only a table because it has legs, otherwise it just a flat piece of wood on the floor. We agree on this, I think.

“When someone draws the obvious comparison between trump supports carrying nazi regalia and the actual Nazis; what exactly has a Jewish Holocaust survivor objecting to as an insulting denigration of the 1940s?”

I am sure that are actual cases where calling people Nazis, isn’t a falsehood or close enough to the truth where it wouldn’t be problematic, but you used blanked statement about “calling your opponents Nazis is different…” and what I understand as a principle argument about “denigrating suffering” via false equivalencies to “pissant” worries. I think we both agree, there are many many instances where this isn’t the case, i.e calling an opponent Nazi is precisely denigrating the suffering those that suffered at their hands by comparing, at best a neckbeard with poor social skills, to Nazis. You have to my knowledge never been bothered by this as it has gone on, on this forum. And your answer as to why, is that there is a semantic and philosophical difference between saying “my suffering is like the Jews”, “My opponents are like the Nazis”. Be that as it may, there is no practical real world difference, in the emotions that it can stir among holocaust survivors.

Is your concern harm, or semantics? Because we both agree Nazis are a unique evil in history, even uniquely well documented by the perps themselves.

I have no idea why you are so resistant to what I am saying*?! Without the holocaust, we wouldn’t be talking about Nazis, any different than the German Empire, virtually nothing was unique about the Nazis, besides the ideological encoded anti-semitism and their practical work implementing a solution to “Jews”.

“I think you are doing something of a bait and switch here,”

Interesting, because I am only taking your stance about “involving a third party” and “denigrating their suffering” seriously. Now, *I* personally have rather liberal attitude towards what people can and cannot say, I am extremely forgiving towards the stupid things people say and believe and I have consistently, even when these people were what I found to be obnoxious feminist types, being fired from gaming companies. I am consistently in favor of forgiveness and an easy road to redemption. Yet I have to admit I am disturbed by the liberal attitude liberals have towards the usage of the word Nazi when it suits their purpose. I do believe it is their right to use it, just like Carrano can live in a, according to you, delusion about here suffering. But there are costs to all these things, beyond the semantic difference, there is a cost to throwing “Nazis” around where it doesn’t belong. One of them certainly (I can provide you survivor references if you have doubts) is the denigration of their suffering. Again, I point you to the decades of never ending hunt for escaped Nazis, some of them done by actual holocaust survivors. It isn’t denigrating to them that we call opponents Nazis.

*I think you don’t believe I believe what I am saying, let me put that worry to rest. I believe EVERY word I am saying about how the frivolous usage of “Nazi” denigrates the memory of the survivors. I just don’t believe people should lose their jobs and be ostracized for doing that, nor compare, no matter how deluded, their suffering to the survivors of the holocaust.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 15 06:11:13
"The word “Nazi”, wouldn’t pack the punch it does, if it wasn’t for the fact that we can actually parse and talk about “holocaust survivors” as a concept."

This is what makes godwins law examples so silly. There is really only a handful of things that seperate the Nazis from any other imperialistic power and why they are universaly evil.

Mainly the genocide, brutality of the prisoners treatment. They are not the universal bad guys because they have $20k loans to married families and looted artwork.

That said pop culture has seemed to push the idea that their atrocities were far beyond anyone elses. Which I disagree with ( Pol pot, Mao, Stalin, King Leopold etc.)

But that's also likely the reason for Godwins law, thw odea that " ypur so bad ypur as bad as the ULTIMATE evil". Other than Stalin no other group is widely compared to as being as evil as. A euro centric world view probably plays a part as well.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 06:25:16
Habebe:

1. The two scenarios - calling someone a Nazi and claiming cancellation is akin to. the treatment of Jews are not equivalent. The language used in the other thread was "doing a Godwin"


2. If you are arguing someone somewhere went beyond "doing a Godwin", fine, I don't particularly care. Perhaps they should be fired, perhaps that shouldn't. But rather than trying to argue that the two things are in principle the same, maybe instead focus in on what *is* the same, rather than that two different things are equivalent.

3. The last leader (or is he still leader?) of the republican party incited an armed coup, and you set people with these symbols at his actual rallies. You are on another planet if you think attendence of a communist group at a BLM protest (which Biden isn't even connected to) is equivalent.

You guys need to police your groups.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 06:28:38
Nim:

"I am trying to understand you and why you think being invoked as a “third party” in the case of holocaust survivors is exclusively something that happens when someone erroneously thinks their suffering is equal to theirs and not when people erroneously equate their opponents to the Nazis"


Then I think you've embarked down a rabbit hole, because of you can, torturously, found a semantic loophole whereby you can say a third party has been invoked where someone isn't erroneously claims that whatever their complaint is is in fact morally equivalent to the Holocaust, you have managed to completely evade the meaning I intended to convey: and which I've been really really clear about now.

You can get a point for semantics, but like I said, you would have missed the point.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Feb 15 07:03:40
Well, you had an opportunity to explain to me, someone who accepts the ethical implications of your premise, but you chose a snarky comment. I accept your concession on the principle issue, you don't have a problem with the involving a third part or denigrating their suffering. Fine.

Lets go over the specifics of the case then:

The tweet:
“Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews,”

Your claim in this thread:
"by blocking me on Twitter and not going to my shows, I'm betting treated exactly like the Jews in Germany during the 1930s"

She didn't say that, or say that it was "exactly" like the Jews. In fact what she is doing, drawing parallels to what the Nazis did in the 1930's and how the writting is on the wall today, is EXACTLY what people on the left have been doing for decades. It is equally stupid IMO and I have said as much on occasion.

So, even in your convuluted semantic game, you are on rather shaky foundation. You have constructed a false memory of an event as far back as 2 weeks ago.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 15 07:17:53
Seb, 1 &2, we can agree to disagree on whats worse. However I think you you are being disingenuous about picking out an abstract concept from what was a very specific and real event, but whatever, im done with it , im sure my opinion won't ruin your day.

3.A protest got put of hand. The media, especially eiropean media played it up. He was aquitted and found innocent.

Furthermore insurrection is a crime.None of the rioters were charged as such, they got disorderly conduct and low level tresspassing.

"Then I think you've embarked down a rabbit hole, because of you can, torturously, found a semantic loophole whereby you can say a third party has been invoked where someone isn't erroneously claims that whatever their complaint is is in fact morally equivalent to the Holocaust"

Ni semantics.The holocaust is why the Nazis are deemed evil universally.To invoke The term Nazis as a negative is a direct comparison to such.

Bow abstracts aside, what this girl posted was pre holocaust treatment.

Even Pascals posts IMHO are not a fireable offense, poor taste but whatever. Now the guy advocating for shoving kids in a woodchipper while working for Disney ( a child oriented company) is the only one I personally could see as a fire worthy offense.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 07:47:31
Nim:

I've explained repeatedly what I *meant* by invoking a third party, yet you persist in trying to establish an entirely semantic point that you can describe something *else* as invoking a third party.

What is the point in such diversions? At best it would prove my post was badly worded, but I have clarified the point repeatedly. So why are you persisting?



Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 07:48:57
Nim:

Which government is whipping up hate against republicans simply for being republicans?

Or is it actually things that certain republicans do that are being called out.

Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 07:50:34
Also I reject the assertion that my point is semantic. You are the one attempting to create an incredibly fine semantic point.

My point is substantive and objective.

It is trivially easy to compare people to NAZIs that do not lead a Holocaust survivor to feel that you are trivialising the Holocaust.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 07:54:17
Habebe:

"To invoke The term Nazis as a negative is a direct comparison to such."

Ok, so when I say - as I did - that some of trump's supporters are Nazis; explain specifically, what thing or phenomenon or even have I likened to the Holocaust.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 07:54:43
*Or event.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 15 08:02:01
Nimi
Two of my family survived concentration camps in Germany + 1 of the wife's. Well, survive is perhaps the wrong word. They were all dead by 1950.

My Nazi warning bells ring when people start to talk about dedicated facilities to detain enemies without due process. Hence my following Abu Graib and Gitmo quite closely back in the day.

We should discuss this. Re say reeducation camps in China or whataboutism camps in Russia.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Feb 15 09:08:03
Seb
"I've explained repeatedly what I *meant* by invoking a third party, yet you persist in trying to establish an entirely semantic point that you can describe something *else* as invoking a third party."

Ok, I should have been more clear so that you do not think "semantics" i.e what words MEAN, is unimportant to communicating. There is "semantics" as in the meaning of words and that is what we are talking about, and then there is the "semantics" you are using, because grammatically these two sentences are not the same, then they do not mean the same thing or imply the same whole with different starting points.

You don't understand when and where semantics is important and what is immaterial to the "problem".

The MEANING (semantic value) of the word Nazi (which we are discussing) doesn't exist without it's victims. That is as concise as I can put it for you.

The objective and qualitative difference between the sentence structure "You are like the nazis (that tried to exterminate the jews)", and "I am like the Jews (the nazis tried to kill) are the different sides to the same coin. But no look, this side has a head you keep telling me! It's still the same fucking coin, with the exact same value I keep telling you.

Anyways, I have explained that this objection of yours isn't a strong argument for your case, or an argument at all because, we both agree, the word doesn't have a meaning (semantic), without the holocaust. I.E The semantic difference between the two statements is none, zero, nothing of material concern.

You want to use the word for it's power that is directly tied to this massive suffering, but deny the source of the power is that suffering. Inseperable, just like slavery is from the civil war. It is a strang hill, but good enough as any for you to make a last stand. I don't think we will get any further.


Jergul
I will never hold anyone accountable for alarm bells that go off in their head, we have no editorial control there. What we can edit are how we express those thoughts. I am just honestly (like honestly honestly) surprised that seb would argue against this, rather straight path from word to consequence. But this is a shitstorm in a toilet bowl, so to speak. There is >literally< no difference between what this actor tweeted and the things I have seen hundreds and hundreds of passionate leftwing activist have written. Like you can almost take that tweet word for word and find social democrats and left wingers say the same thing.

I think we have reach the tipping point regarding the word "Nazi", as we said we would, it has finally lost all meaning.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Feb 15 09:10:44
Seb
"Which government is whipping up hate against republicans simply for being republicans?"

How does this relate to Gina Carano, drawing parallels to 1930's Germany and the propaganda used by Nazis, like you have done?
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 10:47:21
Nim:

Because, according to your own quote of her tweet, that is the particular parallel she drew:

“to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews"

That's is the specific parallel she's drawing between Jews and republicans then, isn't it?

That someone (the government?) is orchestrating a campaign to make people hate republicans for just being republicans.

If anything, that charge of demonising a political view seems to fit better with the discourse that we most often see from the right: "the liberals are X", "make the liberals cry" etc. We may also remember those attack adds from a few elections back (Bush era I think) with the letters RATS highlighted in Democrats.

But in either case, neither compare to the Jews demonization under the Nazis - party affiliation can change, and criticizing peoples political views is very different from criticizing their race.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 10:49:27
Nim:

"Ok, I should have been more clear so that you do not think "semantics" i.e what words MEAN, is unimportant to communicating"

I do think they are important, but the meaning was pretty clear the first time and has been corrected multiple times, and I've made it clear you are not addressing the point I made.

What do you want, exactly? For me to agree that my original point is invalid because the words in which I expressed it can be construed to mean something entirely different? That would be completely ilogical.
Seb
Member
Mon Feb 15 10:52:03
The point, to be really explicit, is that it is far more offensive to trivialise the holocaust than it is to hyperbolically call someone a NAZI.

Moreover, the former will offend a third party to that conflict: the victims or relatives of victims of the holocaust, and may be interpreted as a form of holocaust denial.

Calling someone a NAZI does not necessarily explicitly or implicitly trivialise the Holocaust.


Is that clear now?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Feb 15 11:05:43
Seb
” That's is the specific parallel she's drawing between Jews and republicans then, isn't it?”

lol, how do miss the most obvious insult? She is calling the democrats nazis, or rather that they are using nazi style tactics. So, you should be ok with that.

”What do you want, exactly?”

That you be more consistent in your concern about holocaust survivors. Or just tell us that your resistance is purely politically motivated and has very little to do with holocaust survivors.

”is that it is far more offensive to trivialise the holocaust than it is to hyperbolically call someone a NAZI.”

To you, not the person being called a nazi or ”holocaust” survivors, they speak for themselves. And she trivialized the holocaust by insinuating modern day nazi tactics, no more than the 100’s people you nominally agree with on politics who write and say literally the same things. Literally, implying there are nazis around to make us hate each other, just like the nazis did.

There is not a single angle where what you are saying isn’t an outright falsehood or hypocritical.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 15 11:20:46
Seb, Who is offended? You?

Where are these offended people?
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 15 12:07:50
Nimi
Factually, the Nazis produced a number of films for domestic consumption that showcased how nice evacuation to the East was.

The idea that there was something wrong with Jews people knew personally never caught on, through Jew in the abstract as something detrimental to German nationalism (another abstract) did gain significant traction beyond the normal western european rumblings of anti semitism.

In pogrom country (Poland and the USSR), roundups using locals needed no encouragement.

In Hungary, the Jewish population self-deported through manipulation of and by Jewish civic leaders.

I am just saying she is factually wrong.
jergul
large member
Mon Feb 15 12:12:08
http://www...g-holocaust-by-country-4081781

Note that the German Jewish population in 1933 was about 400k. Many left before the war began.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Feb 15 12:44:41
Even a figurative usage of the word ”neighbor” as people of the same nation/city is enough, to render ”factually incorrect” a moot point.

With that said, there is plenty of German Nazi anti semitic propaganda with exactly that intention, and while not solely the work of 1930 Nazis, but the product of thousands of year of indoctrination, anti-semitism in Christian Europe was to the effect of making neighbors hate it each other. Not sure this is a more worthwhile angle to be honest. Was nazi hate propaganda instrumental? Maybe not, but in a tweet sized punch against your nazi enemies, it is a shortcut to the emotions you are milking. I just don’t think it would matter to anyone if she had been ”factually correct” in the way you are describing.
Rugian
Member
Mon Feb 15 13:01:48
"Y2A
Member Sun Feb 14 13:54:32
According to Rugian, the national socialists were OK (hand sign) until the mid 40s."

If Hitler had died in 1937 instead of 1945, he wouldn't be a universal object of hatred in the Western world.

The stuff he did in the 40s is what caused history to condemn him. Before that point, he was still a bad person, but the children of today don't learn his name for what he did then.

"Y2A
Member Sun Feb 14 14:02:31
Here is a clue Rugian: the NSDAP were not "mass murdering fascists" until late in their rule over Germany. They didn't get elected on saying "we are going to mass murder jews" they got elected playing off of resentment towards other European powers due to the Treaty of Versailles and internal resentments from the "Stabbed in the Back" conspiracy theory. Everyone knew about their anti-semetic bs behind the scenes but the conservatives were dumb enough to think they could control the beast."

Look, any comparisons between the Nazis and Republicans are straight up retarded and nonsensical. There is just no way around it.

Even before assuming power, the Nazis regularly engaged in political street violence and ostracising entire segments of the citizenry. Once in office, they immediately suspended multiparty democracy and assumed absolute rule. Whatever moral failings you find in the GOP, they are not guilty of that. There is no compassion to be made there.

Well, maybe there is. The two most high-profile victims of political violence during the Trump years were Steve Scalise and Rand Paul. Remind me what party they belong to?

As for ostracizing and marginalizjng members of society, who is most associated with cancel culture again?

This is a door you best not open, because on the other side you just might find a mirror.
Habebe
Member
Mon Feb 15 22:04:01
"Note that the German Jewish population in 1933 was about 400k. Many left before the war began."

If I'm not mistaken, the Reich for several years encouraged Jews to immigrate elsewhere.

My fathers side of the family fled as well.Not due to racism, but from what Ive been told the writing was on the wall, war was coming, after surviving the first WW, they decided it best to move to Hiltown PA in 1936 and resign as an SS officer.

He apparently was called upon to return to service, but obviously chose not to.Some family stayed back in the Fatherland, some died, other ended up somehow in Romania, Switzerland and Czechoslovakia.The swiss branch eventually made it to Vermont and opened a ski lodge.
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Feb 16 00:25:04
[Seb]: "I'm not even aware of Pedro or whatever. [/] You need to understand: I. Don't. Care. About. Your. Bullshit. He. Said. She. Said ."

Seb once again coming into a thread and admitting his own complete ignorance, nevertheless offering poorly thought opinions that have no bearing in reality, derailing logical discourse with his incompetence and forcing others to do the work to bring him up to speed. And despite the hand-holding he receives, still, reason evades him.

..
[Rugian]: "As for ostracizing and marginalizjng members of society, who is most associated with cancel culture again?"

That has been the most comical element to me in the years of "Nazi" rhetoric. The people who seem to call the GOP Nazis the most have no problem with the DNC actively dismantling the safe-guards of the Republic to become a one-party system. They actually *encourage* it, saying, "[Without this safeguard and that safeguard, the GOP will never win again]" — as if the woes of a two-party country can be solved with a one-party system.
Seb
Member
Tue Feb 16 01:19:43
Nim:

Yes, but she's also specifically and overtly comparing the treatment of republicans to that of the Jews.

I'm not sure how you are missing this.
Seb
Member
Tue Feb 16 01:21:58
CC once again coming into a thread with an irrelevant troll.
jergul
large member
Tue Feb 16 01:27:24
Habebe
By SS, you mean SA. By SA, you mean homosexual former communist.

Nimi
It matters. Death camps were not placed in Germany, they were impractically placed outside of the core Reichbahn on routes the military needed dearly to supply the Eastern Front. Resettlement was the term used. Mass extermination of German Jews was simply not PC. The relatively low death toll of that group shows this.

The Nazis were a lot more successful with other groups like German gypsies and institutionalized mentally handicapped.

Concentration camps and work camps became death camps in practical terms, but not before civilians in Germany and occupied areas were also starving.

Total war is a bitch. Most Nazis that hung were hung for crimes against the peace and not for attrocities comitted once war began.
Seb
Member
Tue Feb 16 01:30:26
Nim:

There's nothing inconsistent in what I'm saying - it's one thing to say "you are a Nazi", another thing to say "you are treating me like the Nazis treated Jews". One is a statement about you; the other is a statement about you, me, and Holocaust survivors. And the latter two are particularly offensive.

I think it's utterly clear we are talking about the latter. To say this is a falsehood is a frankly bizarre level of cognitive dissonance.

It is also one thing to attack someone for their political views, another to attack them for their race.

Hyperpartisanship isn't racism.

Habebe:

The other offended people are all on social media trying Disney to fire her, which they did; hence this conversation.
Habebe
Member
Tue Feb 16 02:00:49
Seb, So Sjw's getting offended for other people...
Seb
Member
Tue Feb 16 02:54:11
Habebe:

We are talking in a thread that is ballaching about the injustice of Disney (or Lucasfilms) firing a woman for breach of contract because it is claimed it impedes their ability to exercise social rights.

Which of us is the one complaining about a lack of social justice?
Seb
Member
Tue Feb 16 02:56:54
"But...but... but... SJW is a pejorative term we invented to describe you!!! and by the way, whipping up hatred for people based on their political beliefs is JUST like Kristallnacht!!"

Christ you lot are full of it.
habebe
Member
Tue Feb 16 03:00:08
I'm "full of it" says a guy who gets offended on other people's behalf since they are not offended...
habebe
Member
Tue Feb 16 03:02:52
I mean, you do understand how ridiculous it is to regular people to get offended on someone else's behalf when the target group who could be offended is not, right?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Feb 16 03:10:20
"Seb
Member
Tue Feb 16 01:19:43
Nim:

Yes, but she's also specifically and overtly comparing the treatment of republicans to that of the Jews.

I'm not sure how you are missing this."


Omg... I am not missing it, I spent the entire first part of this engagement, explaining how the two things you are distingushing, are without practical difference! I read what you wrote about "this is completely different than that" and thought, wait a minute this doesn't make sense.

THEN I actually read what she had written, for the first time. I have intentionally not gotten involved in this until the last few days. Shocked and surprised that what she ACTUALLY wrote is the one thing that you have been defending (Calling opponents Nazis) the entire thread, saying is COMPLETELY different. What is the fucking problem then?

The problem is that you have completely fabricated what she has written and are now (to save this disaster) reading in a bunch of implicit stuff, via the EXACT same pathway I have argued for the entire thread saying merely introducing "Nazis" invokes the victims. It is amazing this total break down in cognitive reasoning I am writnessing here.

And remember, I was prefectly fine to not get sassy with you, you started this.

So, seb, when you and your confederates call people Nazis, who are the jews? There are no Nazis without Jews and genocide and so you are implying Jews. Who are the Jews seb? Whose suffering are you equating with theirs and denigrating?

I personally disagree with her choice of words in comparing Dems to Nazis, for the very reasons I have spelled out in this thread and have admonished people and posters for, in the past. It's corrosive to discourse and our societies, and harmful to people, including those whose memory is tarnished. I still do not believe this was something you should get fired for.

You are quite the fool, if you still have not realized that all these dirty tactics you are using, it only takes a little while until those same tactics (embedded in the legal structure) are going to come and bite you in the ass. Remember the great purge on social media? You want a list of all the leftwing groups and channels that were purged most recently right before the election? So, I am just waiting for liberal Gina Carano to get cancelled. Tit for tat.
habebe
Member
Tue Feb 16 03:21:59
How is this the the topic that has filled two threads quickly? I mean the forum hasnt seen this much action since the Capitol riots and the Rittenhouse speil before that.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Feb 16 03:47:27
Jergul
"Nimi
It matters."

For what? Is THAT the thing that makes her tweet beyond the pale for people with Seb's sensibilities? I am not saying frivolous comparison of opponents to Nazis should not be deconstructed with facts, but no, it doesn't matter at all for what is going on.
Especially given there are enough of the components she mentioned, documented about Nazi propaganda, that it is "true enough". It isn't something I would get hung up on and argue. The most critical angle is the frivolous usage of "Nazi" imo.
jergul
large member
Tue Feb 16 04:06:08
Nimi
It matters because it underlines that its just meaningless blustering hyperbole.

I have no idea what specific contract clause she violated, but it is unlikely the Nazi comparison viewed in isolation.

We know she violated her contract because their is no severance, her agency let her go the same day, and she has yet to challenge being fired legally.
habebe
Member
Tue Feb 16 04:06:54
FUCK ALL YOU HOES
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