Utopia Talk / Politics / 50% of US vaccinated by 2022 III

Rugian Member	Thu Apr 01 12:35:22 J&J delays or no, we're still killing it here. ---- April 1: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 30.0% (+0.6%) % of US fully vaccinated: 16.9% (+0.5%)
Sam Adams Member	Thu Apr 01 12:51:33 Lol. J+J isnt even that good, and is still better than seb's shitty astrazenca vax. Meanwhile, our pfizer vax is fucking elite: http://www...icacy-six-months-bn/index.html Still very highly effective at 6 months and very effective against the south african strain.
Seb Member	Thu Apr 01 13:17:45 Before the whinging starts, yes, I acknowledge I missed that for some reason the numbers for Alabama are, for some god unknown reason, in 2012 dollars.
Seb Member	Thu Apr 01 13:20:06 J&J efficacy: 66% globally AZ Efficacy: 76% globally Sam can't count.
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 01 13:24:09 Why does Norway hate their people?
jergul large member	Thu Apr 01 13:35:58 habebe Why do you think Israel's vaccination rates have fallen by two thirds from its peak? a. It is running out of vaccines? b. It is running out of people to vaccinate?
Sam Adams Member	Thu Apr 01 13:51:49 "AZ Efficacy: 76% globally" Suspect. AZ may have fudged numbers, is under investigation, and has not been approved in the US for this reason. Also, this neglects the blood clots and the near 0% efficacy against SA strain. J+J pulls a lowly but better 63% there. Keep in mind this is the worst and last of the 3 american vaxs. Our worst beats your best.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Apr 01 13:53:52 Also thats 1 shot of J+J vs 2 of AZ.
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 01 13:55:04 Jergul, Has Norway taken charge of their Vaccine distribution?
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 01 14:53:53 Those efficacy % have to be compared with the time frame/location of their 3rd stage tests.
Forwyn Member	Thu Apr 01 15:37:00 J&J is one shot, easier logistically since it doesn't require extreme sub-zero temps, has milder side effects, and is effective against UK/SA strains. % isn't a huge deal, getting a cough is part of life, it keeps you out of the hospital and the morgue, which is the point.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Apr 01 15:50:57 A bigger efficacy number probably reduces the spread of the virus a bit better, even if both keep you out of the hospital. The improved logistics does help for sure, especially if you live in a third world location, like the UK or alabama.
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 01 16:12:41 The issue with the efficacy % though is they are real world tests which if it was tested during a spike or a slump in cases drastically changes the outcomes.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Apr 01 22:18:20 Its really nice to have at least part of a vax and an 95 mask for skiing lifts. Makes the whole process much more relaxing.
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 01 22:47:12 poor seb and jergul
Seb Member	Fri Apr 02 04:48:37 Sam: "Sam: I don't like the numbers so I ignored them"
State Department Member	Fri Apr 02 06:33:16 Got vax (Moderna) appointments for both parents a while back and now myself through Publix. Publix's booking system rocks, as does their mojo rotisserie chicken.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Apr 02 09:45:06 The sebs have done such a shitty job with vaxes, some euro nations are turning to russian vaccines in desperation. http://www...d-vaccine-campaign/ar-BB1feM1d
Sam Adams Member	Fri Apr 02 09:50:52 "Got vax (Moderna) appointments for both parents a while back and now myself through Publix." Sweet. The us vax system is really kicking ass the last month or so.
habebe Member	Fri Apr 02 10:31:53 Rate: US .87 NW .37 ------ Atleast 1 dose US 45.94 NW 17.89 ------ Fully vaxed US 29.8 NW 12.7 Norway has given out 970k shots. US has given out 153 million. So N has upped its game by rate, but they still cant catch up to the US. A very telling # for me was 46% of US has already had 1 shot. So within a few weeks we should have over 50% fully vaxed as a large chunk of people get their 2nd dose plus 2.5-3 million doses daily (some overlap though)
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 02 10:54:00 Habebe It's not 46%. You are double-counting people who got their first shot and people who got their second. Currently 30% of the US has had one shot, while 16% have been fully vaccinated. 30 + 16 = 46.
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 02 11:00:25 *has had AT LEAST one shot That 30% includes the 16% of people who have been fully vaccinated. If that makes things any clearer.
Hrothgar Member	Fri Apr 02 12:31:25 USA's next huge challenge will be to convince the science illiterate (republican minded boomers and the urban poor/poverty) to get vaccinated. Without them herd immunity will be a challenge to achieve for years to come.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Apr 02 12:41:31 http://mob...ott/status/1377605174320099335 Far left governor of vermont trying to send white people to the back of the vaccine line.
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 02 13:04:28 Unbelievable. Democrats are literally a racist party at this point.
Y2A Member	Fri Apr 02 13:05:10 Philip Brian Scott (born August 4, 1958) is an American politician serving as the 82nd Governor of Vermont since 2017. A member of the Republican Party, he was elected governor in the 2016 general election with 52% of the vote.[1] In 2018, he won re-election to a second term by a wider margin.[2] Scott was elected to a third term in 2020 with a 41% victory margin, the largest for a state gubernatorial election since 1996 and the largest for a Republican since 1950.[3] He was previously the 80th Lieutenant Governor of Vermont, an office he held from 2011 to 2017. Before serving as Lieutenant Governor, he was a State Senator representing the Washington County district from 2001 to 2011. As of 2021, he has been the only member of the Republican Party to hold statewide office in Vermont.
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 02 13:06:12 You know what else is unbelievable though? These latest vaccination figures, just look at them go! ---- April 2: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 30.7% (+0.7%) % of US fully vaccinated: 17.5% (+0.6%)
Rugian Member	Fri Apr 02 13:07:32 Y2A He's about as Republican as Charlie Baker. New England "Republicans" are Democrats in most of the rest of the country.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Apr 02 13:13:05 If you take far-left stances, you are far left.
chuck Member	Fri Apr 02 16:31:35 Now ad-lib that sentence with "Nazi" instead of "far left."
kargen Member	Fri Apr 02 19:35:09 Colorado has gone to what they call phase two of vaccinations and everyone over the age of 16 is now eligible.
Forwyn Member	Fri Apr 02 20:48:22 '"Got vax (Moderna) appointments for both parents a while back and now myself through Publix." Sweet. The us vax system is really kicking ass the last month or so.' The day after our governor opened lines to anyone 16+, major chains opened up virtual appointments with a large selection. I'll roll in on Sunday. My lukewarm wife might take a while. 'Now ad-lib that sentence with "Nazi" instead of "far left."' Nazis drank water!
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 02 22:07:27 Sorry seb
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 03:50:11 At what point do you think full vaccinations of the US population will stall? 41-45%? 46-50%? 55-60%? or 60-65%?
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 03:51:29 41-45%? 46-50%? 51-55%? 56-60%? or 61-65%? Bleh.
obaminated Member	Sat Apr 03 03:52:06 haha what a moron. you are desperate for it to fail despite having no evidence it will fail. we are just better than you, when we run in to problems we dont wait for a government solution, we just fix it. this is the mentality that caused us to win ww2, the cold war and sorta vietnam while your country just failed everytime.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 03:56:45 I am noting you do not want to guess when US vaccinations will stall obam. Why is that?
Seb Member	Sat Apr 03 04:56:19 Jergul: The US will get to at least 75%. Think you are being far too pessimistic.
Seb Member	Sat Apr 03 04:58:21 Obaminated: You seem to be under the impression I share Jergul's belief, despite having started publically I don't. This does not surprise me. You never were very good at basic comprehension.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 12:20:49 Seb We will see how deeply maga madness has taken hold. Through to be fair, some minorities will do their bit to keep full vaccination numbers low too.
Habebe Member	Sat Apr 03 12:54:23 US is starting at home vaccinations, at least around here.
Habebe Member	Sat Apr 03 13:01:34 Rate doses being administered (7day rolling avg.) US: .89 ( continuing to rise) Norway: .3 (plummeting again)
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 13:32:41 75% will be easily achievable once one or more vaccines are greenlit for children. At that point, COVID will pretty much be done. And we're already well on the way to getting there: ---- April 3: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 31.4% (+0.7%) % of US fully vaccinated: 18.0% (+0.5%)
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:12:15 Ruggy So you support emergency use authorization to vaccinate children that a barely at risk? No covid vaccines are currently approved by the FDA.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:15:46 But I do think its cute that you think third world tendencies in the US will not manifest themselves getting shots into arms. You are trailing China in the number of vaccines being produced. Frankly, the only thing you are doing well is blocking exports of the vaccines.
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 14:16:08 Um, sure? I don't advocate making the vaccine mandatory for anyone, adult or child, but if it's found to be safe for children then I don't see any problem with allowing parents the option of immunizing their kids.
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 14:18:34 "you think third world tendencies in the US will not manifest themselves getting shots into arms." No tengo ni idea de lo que esto significa.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:21:46 People in urban or intellectual slums will have huge issues getting themselves vaccinated. You know, typical mudhutter behavior.
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 14:23:50 As for China, they are lagging well behind us on administration (which is the only metric that truly matters). Also, you can't believe their statistics anyway (Communist regimes generate statistics by having a committee of apparatchiks decide what set of numbers makes them look best).
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:24:48 Ruggy The FDA approves vaccines that are found to be safe. Emergency use authorization is given when documentation strongly suggest any harm will be less than the benefits. Its actually a pretty high bar in the case of vaccinating children as the benefits are very small. But its all political, so who cares really if the harm is greater than the benefits for use on children.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:26:10 Ruggy They don't have a covid outbreak. And the only metric that matters is the number of dead or permanently disabled. Boy you are dumb.
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 14:28:20 "jergul large member Sat Apr 03 14:21:46 People in urban" CVS has 10,000 locations in the US. Distribution is not a serious problem. "or intellectual slums" I recognize a shot on Trump when I see one, but both Trump and the GOP have told people to get the vaccine (even if they emphasize that the decision should ultimately be made by the individual as opposed to the state - a concept that I'm sure is completely foreign to your Soviet brain).
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 14:30:26 "Its actually a pretty high bar in the case of vaccinating children as the benefits are very small." Herd immunity against a virus that caused the country to enter into a year-long lockdown and saw peoples' liberties be seriously infringed by the state is a very big benefit. "Boy you are dumb." "Less than 50% of the US will be vaccinated by 2022" - some fucking retard
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:31:01 Ruggy The right does not have a monopoly on stupid in your country. Lots of people think seals are cute, vaccines are bad, and the government is out to harm them with mass injections.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:34:19 Herd immunity is at 80-85%, dummy. It's not achievable. Covid in your country is endemic and given its mutation rates, will require yearly booster shots for personal protection. So you are ok with children being injected, though the harm is likely greater than the benefit for them? In the name of some unachievable common good? That sounds pretty collectivist-statist to me.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:39:31 You had 110 000 polling stations in the 2012 elections. 10 000 locations is not a lot of coverage, dummy.
Seb Member	Sat Apr 03 14:39:44 Habebe: We've been doing housebound visits see the beginning.
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 14:41:47 One, 80-85% is not an an established figure for sure. Two, between vaccinations and previous infections, herd immunity is quite achievable. 30 million cases have been reported in the US so far, which probably means that 20-30% of the population has already gotten the virus (including those who were asymptomatic at the time). Three, who said the vaccinations were harmful in the first place? "Not proven safe" is not the same as "is unsafe." Logic fail. Four, kids are relatively safe from Covid, not completely so. As long as the vaccines don't kill more than 250 of them or so, vaccination will be better than no vaccination. Five, you said that less than 50% of the population would be vaccinated by 2022. lol!
Seb Member	Sat Apr 03 14:43:36 Jergul: Thete are trials on child vaccines, licensing will follow. The lack of licensing isn't so much about harm be as lack of trial and the lack of direct benefit to offset risk of harm. One trial data shows they face no risk from the vaccine, licensing will follow. And yes ultimately it's a good idea to avoid children being a vector and reservoir for the virus facilitating the evolution of more vaccine escape candidates.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 14:46:23 Herd immunity is not a static number. It is achieved when R0 is less than 1. R0 depends on the virulence of a disease on a population with certain characteristics. New variants have a R0 = ~5.5 for a business as usual US population. More than 80% of your population needs to be immune for R0 to fall below 1 (each infected person infects less than 1 other person).
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 14:52:29 jergul CVS has 10,000, Walgreens has 9,000, Rite-Aid has 2,000...and also, these places are administering vaccines over a period of many months, as opposed to polling places which need to accommodate everyone who plans to visit one in 12 or fewer hours. You are so desperate to find reasons for the US to fail that you are failing to think of these things at even a most basic level. To quote a certain senile fraud idiot...come on, man.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 15:12:28 Seb The lack of licensing is becaus no vaccine has been proven to be safe for any age group. Take the case of blood clotting. Not safe. But the benefit outweighs the harm for adults above the age of 50 almost certainly. The number of participants to verify safety in use on children would need to be in the 100ds of thousands given the small benefit a given vaccine provides to that group. It may be feasible, but I doubt it.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 15:19:34 Ruggy Food deserts are a thing in your country. You have 110 000 grocery stores. Suggesting that 20% of that coverage gives full access to vaccinations is laughable. You don't seem to know your country very well at all, dummy.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 15:25:35 Seb Resevoir etc. It does not matter for as long as mass vaccinations in places like Africa, the ME, or the Indian subcontinent are unachievable. The virus will mutate and will require yearly booster shots. Shall we put the under 18s down for yearly booster shots too? I doubt it. We may do a pretend "look its safe for children" because uhm keep calm and carry on this year. But each and every year? Nope.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 15:27:08 My kids will get the vaccination when available, but that is in the interests of travel, not because I think it makes anyone safer.
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 15:40:40 jergul What even is this inanity? The dynamics of food deserts are way different from those of vaccine sites. You need to buy food on a regular basis, but you only need to visit a vaccine site twice. The incentives for making a one-off trip to get a shot are big, even if you don't live in the immediate proximity of a vaccination site. The incentives for choosing to hike it to Whole Foods every week instead of just getting McDonalds for dinner, not so much. But all of this is irrelevant as pharmacies aren't the only places offering vaccines; I didn't even begin to list all the places that do or will. Hospitals and medical facilities in particular tend to be accessible to the urban poor. The fact that you were weren't aware of this suggests that it's you who knows nothing about this country. You absolute buffoon (and baby seal killer, apparently).
Rugian Member	Sat Apr 03 15:45:55 Here's a map (from February) of available vaccination sites in Baltimore, which is objectively one of the shittiest cities in the US. http://www...4fegvf7mysqmu4q-htmlstory.html Oh no, some people might have to take a 15-minute bus ride to get a vaccine. The horror! They probably just won't even bother. rofl jergul
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 16:15:09 Ruggy Sure, add another 10k hospitals and retail clinics, though now you are into serious overlap territory with pharmacies. We know many, many people are unwilling or unable to get fully vaccinated in a timely manner. You just seem to think that more than 50% of the US population will get fully vaccinated by 2022. How odd.
Habebe Member	Sat Apr 03 16:21:09 "Emergency use authorization is given when documentation strongly suggest any harm will be less than the benefits." If Thats your goal the FDA is terrible, probably have killed millions. Even more lives ruined.....but that's another thread....see Milton Freidmans barking cats. Jergul really is taking it hard that his beloved Norway is an utter failure and destines to stay a Hermit nation. Rugian, SC has a program now to send Nurses to your house to administer the shots for people who have trouble getting out. And SC is objectively one of the shittier states, but they do ok at dewling with rural issues.
Habebe Member	Sat Apr 03 16:24:39 "We know many, many people are unwilling or unable to get fully vaccinated in a timely manner." Is this why Norway can't vaccinate?
Seb Member	Sat Apr 03 16:35:10 Jergul: That's not how drug licensing works. Vaccinating children absolutely matters. Schools are a fucking hotbed of transmission. We do seasonal flu jabs for children. We are already working on nasal.spray routing.
Habebe Member	Sat Apr 03 17:07:48 From what I gather kids can be good spreaders but tend to be less harshly effected. Also the US and the UK have not banned exports. The EU has because they are selfish.They also put less money than into research ( 1 billion) and like 3.5 billion into manufacturing capability.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 18:04:11 Seb I am sure the UK has its own way of approving medicines. Mass programmes have to be proven very safe, even in the UK. You are still on emergency licensing for all covid vaccines, right? Lots of things are nice to do, but not under emergency authorization with the emphasis on vaccinating the entire adult population. I am sure the covid booster shots will eventually follow the same format as whatever you are doing for seasonal flu. But that is a few years down the line. But this is political of course. But I would not expose children before proper formal approval is in place. The ethics of even a few kids taking one for the team is not really acceptable. Habebe The US has banned exports. Did you even do those few million doses to Canada and Mexico?
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 18:11:06 Am am not antivax in any way, but as it stands, vaccinating children may very well have a negative marginal utility (expanding vaccination to include kids might do more harm than good. A small outbreak of clots and strokes in children would destroy vaccination credibility on a global scale for decades). Like I said earlier, travel is an added value that will have my vaccinate mine.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 18:11:33 me vaccinate mine*
Seb Member	Sat Apr 03 22:37:43 Habebe: I thought the US did have an export ban. Jergul: The safety criteria for reg 174 are the same as Marketing Authorisation. "But that is a few years down the line." Are you sure? "But I would not expose children before proper formal approval is in place" Well yes, it would be illegal to do so. The point is how long an authorisation from regulators is away.
Habebe Member	Sat Apr 03 22:44:08 We've been over this the US and afaik the UK too have no ban on exports. We purchased them going on a year ago, the EU bought then in november, should have paid first, invested in R&D and manufacturing capacity earlier and larger....they didn't and ended up as the failure of the civilized world.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 23:28:41 Habebe It is a ban on exports, stupid. Do you incidentally think it is legal in the US for a single entitiy to monopolize a critical goods or service? Congratz. You broke Capitalism. Again. The EUs problem is not investment and manufacturing capacity, it is that it allowed exports when the UK and US did not.
jergul large member	Sat Apr 03 23:40:14 This is incidentally always what the US does. It fucks stuff up, then decides that the most important think is to measure something else. 12500 Americans died in the last two weeks. 25 Norwegians did. Or to put it another way. 150 Norwegian-Americans died in the last two weeks and 25 Norwegians did.
Habebe Member	Sun Apr 04 00:15:07 Meh, thin out the weak Got to breaknsome eggs to bake a cake. But lockdowns are over Because we vaccinate the equivelant of Norway in about 2 days, sometimes less. This is no less capitalistic than a military.
Seb Member	Sun Apr 04 04:20:27 Jergul: There was no vaccine manufacturing capacity in the UK in 2019. It has moved to the EU. Such capacity there is now operating is due solely to UK govt investments in 2020, with the first wave made in April 2020 (which also included 20m in invested in the Dutch plant at Leiden, Halix). For the production lines HMG financed, they ask for the first X doses. This is the why they made the investment and did not yet on global existing capacity. Firms are free to export to the EU, which is why I'm August, Astrazenica agreed to expand production facilities at two of the UK sites to service the EU. The new production lines to service the EU contract are not yet producing - set up time, plus 70 day culture, plus 1 month QA process.
Seb Member	Sun Apr 04 04:21:48 I suspect though, the EU having in effect comandeered the UK investments in Halix, the UK will do the same to the UK investments in Cobra and Oxford Biologica.
Seb Member	Sun Apr 04 05:40:10 The UK investments in the CMOs (Halix, Cobra and Oxford Biologica) are direct and predate Astrazenica's award of the exclusive license. I suspect the obligations those firms have to UK were transferred to AZUK. AZAB appears to have been an intermediary between the ECs contract and placed and holds the contract with the CMOs that serve the EC contract. A simple solution to the EUs export ban then is for AZAB to agree a variation in its own contracts to such that when the prod capacity at OxfordBiologica and Cobra comes on line, this is used to make up the lost capacity from Halix, and the 20m investment cost is applied to the EU contract via the price variation mechanism (the investment in Halix being a direct cost of manufacture).
jergul large member	Sun Apr 04 09:57:53 Seb Banning exports through the use of contracts is still a ban. I am not questioning the UK and US doing it so much as I am EUs not acting with repriocity immediately. The gap in vaccinations is fully explained by the UK and US having export bans and the EU not having one.
Seb Member	Sun Apr 04 10:38:42 Jergul: Incorrect. The UK govt bought new capacity in UK to supply itself, rather than relying on existing manufacturing capacity. The argument that as it does not allow that capacity to supply other contracts until it's own are fulfilled is thereforetantamount to an export ban is absurd. Indeed the ECs argument to justify their own export ban is that AZ should preferentially fulfill EU orders in full ahead of others.
jergul large member	Sun Apr 04 10:42:08 Seb Again. The EU should have noted UK blocked exports and should have done the same. Repriocity is a firmly established international principle.
jergul large member	Sun Apr 04 10:44:10 I am not faulting the UK and the US. Countries do what they want to do. The flaw with the EU is that it was slow to respond with repriocity, so is down a few 10s of millions in its own vaccination rates.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Apr 04 11:41:57 Jergul is taking this very poorly.
obaminated Member	Sun Apr 04 12:52:49 Its a meltdown. We have talked about how reality will eventually catched up to the shortcomings of socialism. 40 years agoish people saw it. Now jergul and college students are seeing it. Unfortunately the media isnt really showing the massive difference between european vaccine distribution and the us. You have to look for it.
Rugian Member	Sun Apr 04 12:55:32 It's so sad. He's completely melting down over the likelihood that the US will be fully reopened long before his shithole socialist country is. ---- April 4: % of US that has received at least 1 dose: 32.0% (+0.6%) % of US fully vaccinated: 18.5% (+0.5%)
Seb Member	Sun Apr 04 13:07:29 Jergul: The UK didn't block exports jergul. The EU expects it's own contracts to be honoured before firms take new orders. They even wrote a clause into their contract requiring those signing an APA not to undertake any contract that would prevent a supplier fulfilling the EC contract. That's not an export restriction either. But if it is, then the EC was so swift to act they had an export ban in place (impressively banning export of AZ drugs from UK based CMOs to anywhere other than the EU) from August 2020! The only reason AZ isn't exporting drugs from the UK to the EU is that, having only got an order in August, the CMOs production isn't ready for export. Had the EU placed an order in May, the exports would be happening.
Habebe Member	Sun Apr 04 13:33:20 So basically, the EU doesnt want to pay much, buys late and gives very little in R&D and are salty and shocked that they are not placed first. What a bunch of cheap, snobby tight wads. And then have the demented idea that the US "broke capitalism", what a crock of shit. We treated this like a military attack, have we broken capitalism by having government control of the military? No Sore losers, throw tour temper tantrum and ban exports, the US doesnt need EU vaccines anyway.We have received 1 million doses from them, gave away 6.5 million and still dwarf them. I mean how entitled and bitchy can you get?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Apr 04 13:38:48 Vaccines made by giant US for-profit pharmaceutical companies: 100s of millions. Vaccines made by eu state governments: 0.0 Hmmmmmm
jergul large member	Sun Apr 04 14:23:21 Seb The UK and US designed contracts that banned exports. A variant of the cunning use of flags as Izzard puts it. The only flaw with the EUs handling is that it was too slow to invoke repriocity. Habebe Stop whining about wanting the EU to export its vaccines, mkay?
jergul large member	Sun Apr 04 14:32:05 Sammy You know that will be gloating like crazy once we get to the final accounting of the toll covid-19 made. I wonder what metric you will try to use then to showcase American superiority. Perhaps the quality of engineering put into your mass graves?
Habebe Member	Sun Apr 04 14:45:07 "I wonder what metric you will try to use then to showcase American superiority." Norway did ok, but I doubt the EU fared as well. Do we have complete gdps and job rates etc. Yet for comparison?
Rugian Member	Sun Apr 04 14:45:23 In this thread alone, you have maintained your stance that 50% of the population won't be vaccinated by 2022, compared vaccination sites to both polling places and food deserts, and argued that one-fifth of the population should be kept unvaccinated because you confused a lack of research on harmful effects with proven harm. Maybe you should consider cutting your losses and accepting your defeat already? We can of course continue here if you want to persist in being embarrassed on a repeated basis.
Rugian Member	Sun Apr 04 14:53:48 "Rugian, SC has a program now to send Nurses to your house to administer the shots for people who have trouble getting out. And SC is objectively one of the shittier states, but they do ok at dewling with rural issues." Yep. All 50 states are doing their best to maximize access for residents. Some states are admittedly doing a better job of this than others at the moment, but at the end of the day everyone is eager to fully reopen. The fact that jergul doesn't see this is one of the (many) reasons why he is failing so hard here. It's difficult to accurately gauge the extent of the vaccination effort in the US when you've spent the last year being holed up in your Arctic igloo.
jergul large member	Sun Apr 04 16:22:03 Ruggy It is pretty obvious that emergency used authorization should not include use on children if doing is provides very little benefit to them and is likely to cause net harm. What? You needed the under 18s to make your 50% by 2022? How incredibly unethical of you.
Y2A Member	Sun Apr 04 16:42:47 "You needed the under 18s to make your 50% by 2022?" No, according to the NYT covid vaccine tracker: http://www...us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html "78% This is equal to all adults, 18 and older. Children under 16 are not yet eligible."
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