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habebe
Member
Thu Apr 08 21:49:05
The majority-Republican Arkansas General Assembly voted Tuesday to override Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson’s veto of a bill banning experimental genital mutilation and hormone treatments for those under 18-years-old.

The passage of HB 1570, the Save Adolescents From Experimentation Act, makes Arkansas the first state in the union to prohibit doctors from administering hormone treatment, puberty blockers, or other treatments to minors. The veto passed in the House at a vote of 71 to 24 and in the Senate 25 to 8.

http://the...enital-mutilation-of-children/
obaminated
Member
Thu Apr 08 22:20:41
tw, do you agree with this?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 08 23:08:22
no... & when has the South ever ended up on the right side of an issue
obaminated
Member
Thu Apr 08 23:14:59
so you think people under 18 should have sex changes?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 08 23:27:30
this isn't just about sex changes, it prevents any drug/hormone use (which seems almost cruel, not that i'm an expert on these issues)

i don't think most even lop off their dicks


& why do you hate freedom? and if you find them too young to make decisions, why is circumcision legal?
smart dude
Member
Fri Apr 09 00:04:55
Because JAYSUS CHRAAAHST PRAISE THE LORD DURRRR
Forwyn
Member
Fri Apr 09 00:18:55
Glad Asa was vetoed.

"At follow-up, 30% of the 77 participants (19 boys and 4 girls) did not respond to our recruiting letter or were not traceable; 27% (12 boys and 9 girls) were still gender dysphoric (persistence group), and 43% (desistance group: 28 boys and 5 girls) were no longer gender dysphoric."

http://jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567(08)60142-2/fulltext

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 09 00:24:05
"mean age 8.4 years, age range 5–12 years"

how many in that age group are having surgeries?
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 09 01:04:22
I mean this seems loke a nobrainer to me.

You have to be 21 to drink, ans 18 to make many life altering decisions.

Not that teenagers are geniuses either.

Honestly I think 95% of these people dont actually have gender dysphoria either its the new thing like goth kids used to be.

I think its real but that it really only affects a super tiny amount.of the population like the people who can hear colors and such.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Apr 09 01:11:37
"how many in that age group are having surgeries?"

1. Retarded question, because prepubescent diagnosed GD leads to teen "therapies".

2. Puberty blockers are as devastating as surgeries, lol.

If 61% of respondents are changing their minds, why on earth would we sterilize them, and give them osteoporosis, and stunted growth, of both their bodies and sex organs, and unknown long-term neurological effects?
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Fri Apr 09 01:15:38
obaminated
Member Thu Apr 08 23:14:59
so you think people under 18 should have sex changes?

No, but Gender dysphoria is real and a relatively recently discovered condition. 20 years ago gender reassignment surgery was basically butchery and guesswork if it actually helped the patient. Today it does improve mental health in adults. In anther 5-10 years some variety of hormone treatment or surgery maybe done that could be easily reversed or not have perm consequences may help minors with Gender dysphoria.

The real question is should parents be allowed to seek help from professionals following APA and AMA guidlines?
obaminated
Member
Fri Apr 09 01:57:46
no, gender dysphoria is not real. and you are not helping mentally ill children by fucking them up more by feeding into their issues rather than address the hard truths. you are born a male or a woman. nothing can change that. and everything else is bullshit and honestly evil.
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 09 02:11:30
I womder how it was "discovered"?

What real evidenxe is there, can you diagnose it with blood test? Or is it strictly a mental disease with nothing other than the persons word?

If so how is it different from dillusions?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 09 02:30:39
"Puberty blockers are as devastating as surgeries"

why? i don't know anything about it, but here's one site's claims:

"
Are they reversible?

The effects of puberty blockers are physically reversible.

Puberty blockers only pause the production of testosterone and estrogen hormones. Once a person stops using this medication, their body begins production once more, leading to the development of breasts and facial hair.

However, although the physical effects of puberty blockers are reversible, the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) in the United Kingdom note that researchers do not know how these types of medication psychologically affect a person.
"
http://www...y-blockers#are-they-reversible

what are the stats on your "sterilize them, and give them osteoporosis, and stunted growth" claim

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"If 61% of respondents are changing their minds..."

'61%' of mean age 8 children, w/ no one over 12 (& i would bet it's higher the younger they are)

this law affects all under age 18
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Fri Apr 09 02:32:21
-obaminated I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in this but the APA says its real so it's real.

-Habebe Its classified as a mental condition not disorder. Again all this can change in a few years with better remedies and treatment.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 09 02:44:42
So we just take peoples word that they have this trendy "condition"?

"However, gender isn’t about someone’s anatomy, it is about who they know them self to be. There are many different gender identities, including male, female, transgender, gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, two-spirit, third gender, and all, none or a combination of these."

There is no way "two spirit" is a scientific term. For the "party of science" this seems like a whole lot of faith to me.

So in the woke world its crazy to think that God/gods are real because science can't prove it.

But a a guy thinks he a "two spirit" is real and we take him at his word.

But again he would be crazy if he told us he identified as a great white shark.

Its the wines version of faith mixed with identity politics.
Daemon
Member
Fri Apr 09 02:58:22
Finally the barbaric tradition of male circumcision comes to an end in the USA?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Apr 09 06:43:42
Osteoporosis is irreversible.
chuck
Member
Fri Apr 09 08:01:14
The great periodic table of genders and sexualities is a stop past where I get off the socially liberal bus.

Everybody has their share of discontentment in life that they have to deal with. As a mental exercise, I cannot imagine that "be a different gender" or "assume a very rare gender identity" is a solution to anybody's discontent. If your problem is that you are deeply unhappy with your life and you go through this whole expensive, ostracizing medical song and dance, it seems like a classic "now you have two problems" situation to me.

Maybe 50 years from now I'll be the one proven wrong. Maybe once everyone is a distinct gender unto themselves, war will end and there will be peace on Earth. To me, it all seems wildly unnecessary. A healthy dose of stoicism and less of a belief that medicine is the solution to everything that ills might go far.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Apr 09 10:41:39
"mean age 8 children"

Again, no. These children were diagnosed with GD at a mean age of 8.4. They were followed up in the 18-20 range.

"The effects of puberty blockers are physically reversible."

This is as close to a lie as you can get.

Some, not all, of the effects are reversible. The body does not flip a switch and go through the full puberty at 19 that it would have at 12.

By the time the children had finished their stint on puberty blockers at the age of 16, researchers found “reduced growth” in height and bone strength.

“In both cases (height and bone strength) there was some growth but less than would be expected during those years without hormonal suppression,” according to the paper, which has been published nine years after the study began."

http://www...e-growth-of-children-tlv8qmdcd

"According to international guidelines, fertility preservation should be discussed before any hormonal treatment, although our knowledge on the reproductive needs of transgender and gender nonconforming persons is limited."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cen.13982
Forwyn
Member
Fri Apr 09 10:43:23
It's fucking insidious. They're telling the public that puberty blockers are 100% reversible, and telling kids to create a hormone gap use to freeze their sperm and eggs.
habebe
Member
Fri Apr 09 12:39:16
That is the most sense Chuck has ever made.

And again I dont care if full grown adults do it to themselves. but I seriously think this is too life altering for a minor to properly decide.

we don't let 14 year olds get tattoos fornthis reason and thanks 99% less permanent/life altering.
Y2A
Member
Fri Apr 09 12:42:18
I agree with it getting banned until they are 18 or over.
obaminated
Member
Fri Apr 09 14:08:36
Y2a is reasonable, faggy tw fails
Rugian
Member
Fri Apr 09 15:14:27
Of course tw failed at this. Look at what CNN's "news" department feeds him on a daily basis:

http://twitter.com/Holden114/status/1377039964945457153
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 09 16:23:45
that quote doesn't exist in the article (although possibly was updated due to being stupid)

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i'm not going to spend time researching drugs i don't care about, but if the drugs damage bones & irreversibly stunt growth maybe they shouldn't be legal at all... if they are relatively safe, the gov't should stay out of it

as for genital surgeries, i imagine they are extremely rare, especially in that age group
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 09 16:27:31
Tw, Technically all the drugs used in gender medical care are being used for *off label use* similar to hydroxychlorquin (sp?)
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 09 16:31:19
Anyway my whole thing is this is the sort of decision that should be left to well informed adults.

Like that guy who tattoos his whole body like puzzle pieces/ lizard and got a snake tongue.Sure its weird but he seems happy with it, fine he is an adult with a unique decision.

But we shouldn't let minors who often make rash decisions with a lack of grasping just how life altering this can be.
Habebe
Member
Fri Apr 09 16:31:44
Anyway my whole thing is this is the sort of decision that should be left to well informed adults.

Like that guy who tattoos his whole body like puzzle pieces/ lizard and got a snake tongue.Sure its weird but he seems happy with it, fine he is an adult with a unique decision.

But we shouldn't let minors who often make rash decisions with a lack of grasping just how life altering this can be.
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