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Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sat Apr 10 12:15:40 It's had to keep track of all of Trump's legal battles but here is a goody. Trump faces a narrow path to victory against Facebook suspension By CRISTIANO LIMA 04/09/2021 06:55 PM ED If former President Donald Trump manages to get back on Facebook and Instagram this month, his win will rest on a series of close calls. Facebook’s oversight board is expected to rule in the coming weeks on whether to uphold or overturn Trump’s indefinite suspension from the platforms, which the company imposed after the Jan. 6 Capitol riots over fears he might incite further violence. So far, the panel of scholars, lawyers and other outside experts has bucked Facebook’s judgment in five of the six decisions it has rendered.But Trump’s case stands out from that early grab-bag of specific content disputes, in which the board ordered Facebook to reinstate posts such as an insult against Muslims in Myanmar, a quote misattributed to Joseph Goebbels and a user’s criticism of the French government for disallowing unproven Covid-19 cures. And free speech and legal experts tracking the debate say the former president would need a series of interpretations by the group to break his way to regain his megaphone on the world’s biggest social network. The key factors, these people said, will include whether the board thinks Facebook set clear enough rules and gave Trump a fair shake. Another will be what kind of case the board thinks it’s weighing — a narrow, “legalistic” debate about one person’s freedom of expression or a broader one about the public’s right to safety. The board, often likened to Facebook’s Supreme Court, has the power to overrule decisions even by top executives like CEO Mark Zuckerberg. Its ruling on Trump will be the group’s highest-profile yet, with momentous implications for U.S. politics and potentially the company’s treatment of other world leaders. Here are the make-or-break factors that could determine Trump’s fate on Facebook: A point for Trump: The board’s early rulings bode well for his case The oversight board’s decisions so far would seem to offer favorable omens for Trump: It has ruled against Facebook and ordered content restored in almost every case it has reviewed since its launch before the 2020 U.S. elections. Two aspects of those decisions could work especially well for the former president: the board’s commitment to freedom of expression, and a big emphasis on whether Facebook made its policies clear enough for users. The early rulings showed that the board values free expression “very highly,” said Evelyn Douek, a lecturer at Harvard Law School who has closely followed the oversight board’s work. “They put a lot of weight on the importance of voice and the importance of free expression and free speech and they really put the onus on Facebook to heavily justify any restrictions that they wanted,” she said.The board could decide that Facebook’s policy against incitement to violence isn’t clear enough. That policy was the company’s main justification for booting Trump after the assault on the Capitol, during which he had repeated his false claims of a stolen election and attacked Vice President Mike Pence for certifying Joe Biden’s victory.“One thing that really struck me in their initial decisions was kind of how much of their analysis focused on lack of clarity in Facebook's policies, and really pointing to that as a rationale for saying content has to be restored on the platform,” said Emma Llansó of the nonprofit Center for Democracy & Technology, which receives funding from Facebook and other tech companies. When Facebook announced Trump’s suspension on Jan. 7, Zuckerberg said the risk of further violence if the platform allowed him to remain active was “simply too great.” The company’s rules say Facebook can “remove language that incites or facilitates serious violence” or “when we believe there is a genuine risk of physical harm or direct threats to public safety.” The policy also says Facebook may consider additional context in such cases, such as whether a user’s prominence adds to the danger. But the board’s decision may turn on whether those policies gave Trump sufficient notice of what behavior would violate the rules — in other words, whether he received due process. Under “the most narrow kind of legalistic interpretation,” Llansó said, “they might well conclude that Trump's account should go back up.” A point for Facebook: Trump got a lot of warnings On the other hand, due process concerns may matter a lot less when dealing with Trump, a public figure who had repeated run-ins with the site’s rules. “When it comes to [Facebook’s] decision making, it's not really been clear to users, generally, about where the lines are drawn,” said David Kaye, a professor at the University of California at Irvine and a former United Nations special rapporteur. “But I don't think any of that really applies to Trump. I mean, for months, all the platforms had been basically signaling to Trump pretty clearly that you are coming up to the line, if not crossing over it with respect to our rules.” Trump spent years butting heads with Facebook over its standards, including posts before and after the election that the company either adorned with warning labels or took down entirely for making unfounded claims about the election or the coronavirus pandemic.That should have made it clear to him and his accounts’ handlers that he was at risk for more forceful action, Douek said. “There have been years of battle between Facebook and years of contestation around Trump's presence on the platform, and it absolutely can't be said that he didn't have an idea that he was breaching Facebook's policies,” she said.Facebook took down more Trump posts immediately after the Capitol riots on Jan. 6, declaring it an “emergency situation” and warning that his online rhetoric “contributes to rather than diminishes the risk of ongoing violence.” It suspended him the following day. A point for Trump: Critics say Facebook’s enforcement has been uneven Facebook’s much-scrutinized track record in policing Trump’s posts could play in his favor, though. Daniel Kreiss, a media professor at the University of North Carolina, argued that the social media giant spent years essentially ignoring Trump’s violations of its rules because the company stuck to an “overly narrow interpretation” of them. That could hurt the company’s case, he said, if the board believes that the company suddenly adopted a broader interpretation of its policies in handling Trump’s posts on and after Jan. 6. “A lot of this comes back to Facebook's own failures over the last year,” Kreiss said. In his Jan. 7 post, Zuckerberg said Facebook had let Trump use the platform “consistent with our own rules,” but that the storming of the Capitol dramatically changed the dynamics. “The current context is now fundamentally different, involving use of our platform to incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government,” the CEO said. But critics have skewered the company for not taking a more aggressive stance against Trump’s repeated, unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 elections, as well as earlier posts such as his warning to racial justice protesters last May that “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” Zuckerberg rejected such criticisms nearly a year ago, saying that “our position is that we should enable as much expression as possible unless it will cause imminent risk of specific harms or dangers spelled out in clear policies.” The perceived inconsistency, coupled with the oversight board’s initial decisions, could mean Trump is bound for a comeback, Kreiss argued. “If I was a betting man, I would say that the early rulings would lead me to expect that the oversight board will overturn Facebook's decisions,” he said. A point for Facebook: Trump's case defies precedent Perhaps the biggest factor in Facebook’s favor is the fact that Trump's case breaks any semblance of precedent the board could have established in its early rulings, the people tracking its deliberations said. None of the previous cases directly involved a government leader — let alone the leader of the free world, or one accused of inciting a deadly attack in the seat of his own democracy. Plus, all the past disputes were about Facebook’s decisions to take down specific pieces of content, not the suspension of someone’s entire account.“The thing about the Trump case is it’s so sui generis and exceptional,” Douek said. “This just does seem a case that in some ways, is set apart … because of the magnitude of it in terms of how important this person is,” said University of North Carolina media professor Shannon McGregor, who co-wrote a piece with Kreiss calling for the oversight board to uphold Trump’s suspension. Facebook in fact leaned on the unparalleled nature of the case when it referred Trump’s suspension to the oversight board on Jan. 21, kicking off the at-most 90-day review period. “Our decision to suspend then-President Trump’s access was taken in extraordinary circumstances: a US president actively fomenting a violent insurrection designed to thwart the peaceful transition of power; five people killed; legislators fleeing the seat of democracy,” said Facebook global affairs chief Nick Clegg, a former British deputy prime minister. He added, “This has never happened before — and we hope it will never happen again. It was an unprecedented set of events which called for unprecedented action.” That could mean that even if the board takes issue with how Facebook arrived at its decision, it could still agree with its conclusion. “I would probably fall on the side of: They will not order his account restored, but with an opinion that explains a lot of things Facebook needs to change about their policies to make that outcome clearer and more predictable in the future,” Llansó said. A point for Facebook: The board is big on human rights Trump and his conservative allies have long accused Facebook and other social media sites of trampling on free speech by unevenly restricting their content, a charge the companies deny. The criticism borrows from the American tradition of largely unfettered self-expression, a tradition that Zuckerberg himself has proclaimed as a core value for Facebook.But researchers said they expect the oversight board to look at Trump’s suspension through a wider human rights lens, which would put a greater emphasis on how Trump’s speech could harm others. “What human rights law does, when it comes to freedom of expression, is it looks at not just the freedom to impart information, but also the freedom to seek and receive it, and it provides a kind of framework for thinking about the impact that speech can have on others,” Kaye said. That doesn’t bode well for Trump, Kaye said, because it would mean Trump’s right to express himself freely on Facebook wouldn’t necessarily be an overriding factor in the board’s decision. Still, some aren’t convinced the board will take that broad an approach to the case. Paul Barrett, deputy director at the NYU Stern Center for Business and Human Rights and a former Bloomberg columnist, argued in an article that the board’s earlier decisions “tended to frame the factual context of the disputed posts in a narrow way, an approach that can minimize the potential harm the speech in question could cause.” He added, “If carried over to the Trump decision, these inclinations would help him.” But onlookers should be careful not to read too much into the board’s initial rulings, Douek said. “Predicting the future is always a bad idea, and it’s kind of stupid to do it on such a small sample,” she said.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Apr 10 12:24:58 Trump doesn't know how to use Facebook or Instagram
patom Member	Sun Apr 11 14:22:48 I can hardly wait to not read anything he may post.
Rugian Member	Sun Apr 11 15:03:01 Fuck Facebook, he needs to get on Gab or Parler. I, along with the entirety of the news media class, miss feeling the rush of seeing an unadulterated Trump tweet. It's been three months already and I'm jonesing like crazy here.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Apr 11 15:12:25 some stiff reading a Trump quote: http://twitter.com/therecount/status/1381230143042154506 (he was angry at Mitch for accepting the election results... & again criticized Pence for not rejecting the electoral college votes nice of him to keep his cult completely misinformed)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Apr 11 15:14:20 ...well, technically he's angry at Mitch for the blistering speech Mitch gave blaming Trump for the insurrection & pretty much recommending criminal charges
Habebe Member	Sun Apr 11 16:36:07 He is back in the news more and more. Isnt he supposed to have hisnown platform soon?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Apr 11 17:30:31 in two weeks i'm sure he's holding events, that's why in news... his cult women held an event at his price-gouging Doral property (w/ celebrated girl-employer Matt Gaetz) & he himself held some GQP event w/ other trash R's at price-gouging Mar-a-lago where he went 'off script' (meaning spoke for himself, aka spewed bullshit that has massively poisoned America & continues to do... but by all means, Fox & others keep putting him & his children on the air...)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Apr 13 11:22:02 MyPillow Guy's free speech social media site will ban porn, cursing & "you can't use God's name in vain" http://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1381987729353891844 (separate from the probably fake site Trump allegedly having made)
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