Utopia Talk / Politics / So russia is going to war

obaminated Member	Thu Apr 15 13:25:00 Remember when Russian forces invaded countries while trump was in office?
Average Ameriacn Member	Thu Apr 15 13:27:04 Nothing on Fox, where did you watch it?
jergul large member	Thu Apr 15 13:35:55 Obam Why would they want to make things difficult for their operative?
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 15 14:44:05 Or maybe putin was afraid of how trump would react. Meanly senile biden is the last person putin worries about.
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 15 14:52:36 Trump was such a good operative for Putin that he ended sequestration for the US military, pressured NATO allies into increasing defense spending, kept the Armed Forces from getting bogged down in any additional forever wars, provided military aid to Ukraine, and enacted new sanctions on Russia. Sounds like Putin got the raw end of that deal.
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 15 14:55:44 Anyway, I'm still inclined to think Russia is bluffing at this point. Europe has mostly tolerated Putin's antics so far, but their patience has worn thin and a full-fledged invasion of eastern Ukraine is going to set off panic alarms across the continent. Putin is too smart to not know this, and he needs to keep the connection to Europe open.
Y2A Member	Thu Apr 15 14:58:38 Biden Derangement Syndrome
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 15:47:21 the Fox News fraudosphere will attack Biden more than Putin if Russia does anything
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 15 15:52:23 Oh fuck off tw. The MSM is a far larger "fraudosphere" than Fox News alone could ever hope to be. I was originally going to post this in its own thread, but it's a perfect response to your delusional BS. This guy put together a whole thread showing how the MSM (including your beloved CNN) covered Trump's announcement that he was pulling out of Afghanistan to Biden's same announcement. See if you can spot the differences. http://mob...360/status/1382477293797400581
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 16:37:53 nice cherry=picking (also no Trump decision was ever based on logic or facts so all should be criticized) " President Biden ordered the withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan over the advice of some of his senior-most advisers in the Pentagon and State Department, leaders who are now charged with carrying out the particulars of the complicated drawdown. " ~ CNN tweet w/ link to article "How Biden went his own way on Afghanistan withdrawal" http://twitter.com/CNN/status/1382711055089041410 " That was the first thing I thought about when I heard the news. What about these people who trusted us?" President Biden’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan is met with a mix of relief, frustration and regret among those who served there. " ~ NYTimes tweet w/ link to article "‘No Victory Dance’: Veterans of Afghan War Feel Torn Over Pullout"
habebe Member	Thu Apr 15 18:16:32 9/11 is an odd choice for a date. But other than that Imnglad the troops are coming home. TW, Your being hackey here. Its good.formBiden to bring troops home but bad for Trump?
Forwyn Member	Thu Apr 15 18:42:54 B-b-but Drumpf stopped arming jihadis
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 15 18:49:10 Biden continued arms sales to SA and the UAE too. Good moves.
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 15 18:53:36 Even Bernies says Trump was right about ending forever wars.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 19:06:02 "Your being hackey here." no, Rugian posted a hack pretending the non-fraudosphere media is only praising Biden while only criticizing Trump on withdrawal, so i was disproving it
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 15 21:45:15 No. You are a hack with serious mental problems. Not a walking basketcase like cuckhat. But at some point you will need to acknowledge you have an incredibly unhealthy obsession with trump.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 22:18:15 because of the immense insanity that he was tolerated to lead what once was considered a pretty respectable country and he’s still tolerated, some people just trying to pretend he never happened & dismissing the poison he continues to spew -everyone- should be furious with him over so many things, yet the fraudosphere keeps him acceptable such that a good portion of the population actually want him back as ‘president’ most of what he said was entirely made-up... that’s fucking crazy
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 15 22:24:19 The problem is that you and many others will dismiss and go against even the more reasonable and less.controveraial things he said. For example the lab leak in Wigan theory. Many in the media and politics made him out to be a crazy conspiracies, come to.find out he was probably on to something
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 22:53:08 he wasn't 'on to something', not like he thought it up, not like he researched any info about it (or anything ever)... if someone tweeted an official-looking report to him saying Adam Schiff created the virus, he would've floated that idea too some of his virus nonsense as i've repeated many times: -'it's going away' - based on NOTHING, said every month -'we're rounding the corner' - all October, based on NOTHING, cases going up at the time -held dumbest events on planet -always set a bad example on precautions, actively _discouraged_ masks -sidelined experts while making a radiologist yes-man he found on Fox News his -top- & -only- medical adviser -smearing the FDA over his typical misunderstanding of everything -& so much more would be hard to find a worse leader in the world pure insanity, all of it, him ever being right would be 'broken clock right twice a day'
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 15 23:06:33 Tw, russia can invade ukraine and youd blame trump for it. You need to seek help.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 23:18:08 i kinda hope they do invade, so Fox News will attack Biden rather than Putin & i can be proven right (just like when Putin challenged Biden to debate & Fox News was entirely betting on Putin, with their top rated show continually speculating Biden is senile) ---------------- more ranting about Fraud / fraudosphere :p Ashli Babbit is dead entirely because of Fraud (along w/ Herman Cain & thousands of others) yet Fox News trying to make it out to be cops treating cultists worse than leftists & -completely- ignoring how Trump filled these cultists heads w/ constant mass fraud claims dozens of times a day (NONE of which have panned out or had any compelling evidence at all) & led them to believe the outcome could be changed if that days voting prevented Trump pressured Georgia Sec of State for an hour to change the election result... the Sec of State said EVERY figure Trump had was wrong (& has put a report up somewhere on GA gov't website detailing all of it)... ex. Trump claimed 5,000 dead people voted, SOS said there was 2... do you think Trump had evidence of the 5,000? any at all? Trump claimed tens of thousands of fraud signatures, do you think he had evidence of that? any at all? -everyone- should be furious with him, there is NO defense for ALL those nonsense fraud claims undermining all faith in the elections for millions & leading to the insurrection that YES was violent, even if Fox News trying to convince people it wasn't and him STILL saying he won & that Pence could've simply disregarded the votes... jesus christ... TURN ON HIM, HE IS DISTILLED GARBAGE --------- as is Tucker Carlson, a recent description of the insurrection by him: http://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1379586358231101444 (a bunch of poor forgotten old people managed to get all the way to DC just to voice their legitimate complaints by walking around "the People's House"... to Tucker the only notable violence being Ashley Babbit shot dead mysteriously, he has no idea why) no mention of the melee battling of cops leading to over a hundred injured, trashed offices, vandalism or Trump's TOTAL FUCKING LIES that filled their heads ------- ...& on thread topic of Russia: one story today, Manafort's polling info that went to Kilimnik then went to Russian intelligence... thus collusion however, i'm sure fraudosphere only talking about the other story of how the Afghan bounty claim not having enough evidence to justify retaliation... with presumably lots of "see Trump was right!"... NOPE... Trump theorized it was a hoax by Adam Schiff (that was insane, notice it), not that evidence wasn't strong enough, he was always just reflexively defensive of Russia
Habebe Member	Thu Apr 15 23:20:46 TW,You dehumanize him, as if he is a videongame villian.
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 15 23:25:19 What the actual fuck? We are talking about russia invading ukraine and this moron is trying to bring Manafort into it?
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 15 23:26:27 Tw is on the cuckhat level of selfawareness. He is a parody of a deranged leftist and has no idea how funny he is.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 23:51:56 "You dehumanize him as if he is a videongame villian" a video game villain would be informed, he is more like a toddler as i've noted many times & as people around him (like Kellyanne Conway & all those who went on TV to talk to him) learn to treat him (& for god knows what reason find it acceptable)... so in some ways i feel sorry for him... but in no way should his total crazy level of unfitness & damage causing be ignored or washed over & technically Rugian brought in the battle of news outlets for anyone buying into the fraudosphere's rewriting of Ashli Babbitt history (the woman killed in the violent insurrection that was entirely Fraud's fault), here's a summary of why she was justifiably shot by non-Fraud-corrupted Republican Erick Erickson: http://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1382517740481679360
hood Member	Thu Apr 15 23:56:19 The alcoholic lecturing people about mental problems is tasty.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 15 23:58:18 & Fraud doing his best to fracture the country does indeed help Russia if they choose to invade i guarantee there will be nothing close to unity in our response
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 16 00:06:26 Hood, you literally stated you never leave your house. Your opinion on anything is suspect, especially when it comes to my love of liquor.
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 16 00:07:30 I mean, for a rampaging alcoholic im given a lot of trust and responsibility while you... ya know, self isolate.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Apr 16 00:13:00 if invasion, Fraud's response will be: "I don't blame Russia, Biden is weak, it wouldn't have happened with me, I rebuilt the military... I won election"
obaminated Member	Fri Apr 16 00:23:19 Yeah, because under the fraud our military did respond, was built up and Nato got stronger. Meanwhile biden lives in a bunker and wants to focus on making the military a woke force.
Habebe Member	Fri Apr 16 00:53:11 Lots of aclcoholics on these boards. Meh, Id rather smoke weed. Even that as Ive gotten older is fewer and further between. Amphetamines in bursts. Mushrooms are probably mt favorite, but tripping isnt a frequent thing. I have gone weeks where I'd eat just 1 cap a day or so. No trip but I seemed to be in a better mood. Vicodin as Ive gotten older are better. Never liked opiates as a kid, but I have more aches and pains these days. Percocet is still too strong for my tastes.
Habebe Member	Fri Apr 16 00:53:50 Seasonally I like hard cider. Occasionally beer and wine.
Habebe Member	Fri Apr 16 01:01:52 No mixing. Except a glass of red wine alongside mushrooms. But everything in moderation.
hood Member	Fri Apr 16 19:11:25 "Hood, you literally stated you never leave your house." Alcoholic cannot even remember past statements and then misstates them. "im given a lot of trust and responsibility while you" Have a steady job that allowed me to work from home throughout the whole pandemic and trusts me to be the backbone of my entire company's point of existence?
obaminated Member	Sat Apr 17 11:49:54 Ignoring the hermit. Russia dropping bombs and missiles in the black sea and have arrested a ukranian diplomat in st petersburg. All trumps fault.
Dukhat Member	Sat Apr 17 12:30:33 Your brain is gone you stupid fuck. Stop posting about politics and treat your alcohol addiction and go make some relationships. For your own fucking sake. Noone cares about your dumbass shitposts where you repeat things from far-right media.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sat Apr 17 14:12:37 Yo mexicoretardo trump spent 4 years sucking putins balls dont kid your ass that he'd do shit about putin Funny how neocons used to hate russia until trump started sucking putins pale ass balls
habebe Member	Sat Apr 17 14:59:57 People stopped hating Russia when China became the focus.
obaminated Member	Sat Apr 17 17:16:59 Cuckhat, you are beyond repair.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Apr 17 20:40:21 there was quite clear rise in R favorability of Russia when Trump kept saying we should be friends with them during his 2015 election run the completely obvious fraud has tremendous power for some reason
hood Member	Sun Apr 18 00:31:48 Gotta love the alcoholic ignoring being wrong (also: his problems) instead of accepting it and correcting himself. Wait, that's just typical alcoholic behavior.
jergul large member	Sun Apr 18 06:13:08 Re OP So who won the war?
habebe Member	Sun Apr 18 06:28:00 Jeff Bezos.
chuck Member	Sun Apr 18 10:21:35 > there was quite clear rise in R favorability of Russia when Trump kept saying we should be friends with them during his 2015 election run Bizarre as fuck. Some Trump voters I knew who'd never been further from the US than the Caribbean in their 60+ years on Earth were suddenly trying to plan either a Black Sea or Caspian Sea cruise (don't remember which) around the time of RNC 2016. When even your vacation plans are chosen to signal a political stance, wtf...
chuck Member	Sun Apr 18 10:24:32 (Of course it might have just been "let's talk bullshit to tweak the libs lolol" too, but I'm not overtly political IRL and we didn't discuss politics, so if that's where they were going with it they were casting a very wide net, which is itself notable and strange)
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 22 15:21:04 To quote Paulie Walnuts: "I knew he'd cave, he's a fucking pussy!" Russia To Pull Troops From Ukraine Border, Defusing Crisis April 22, 202112:28 PM ET http://www...ukraine-border-defusing-crisis
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