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Habebe
Member
Sun Apr 18 17:45:04
Should we defund the military?

How is it not a public health situation if gun violence is?
Habebe
Member
Sun Apr 18 22:51:52
I mean how are we supposed to protext ourselves? The police?

Considering theur track record that sounds like a risky endeavour.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Mon Apr 19 00:19:32
How about keep it under half a trillion a year?
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 00:25:56
Well my point was to show how silly these anti 2nd amendment thibgs are.Fauci calling shootings a health crisis something.

But, we spend a TON just on maintaining bases , well everywhere.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 03:16:44
You point sort of flopped when you raised the attrocity born from your military-industrial complex as a counter example.
habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 04:23:50
Yes well, of course coming from a demilitarized nation like Norway you would dislike it.

Then again, we were never a Nazi territory.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 05:15:56
Your perspective is so warped, it borders on psycosis.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 05:28:40
From a "man" who has women make him sit to pee.....
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 05:34:41
I thought you said before most. Norwegians had guns?

I seen only 10% when I googled.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 05:52:17
hababe
Just wow. Doubling down on stupid thinking that a gun cult is a good idea?

Most males have formal military training. Most males know where the nearest unguarded armory is located.

We just don't have a gun fetish. Perhaps because our dicks work, so we don't need a substitute.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 05:58:19
And yet the US hasn't been a conquered territory since 1776....while Norway was a slave colony in your fathers or grandfathers time.

Gun murders in the US get plenty of attention, but in the grand scheme are a tiny fraction of deaths. Small price to pay.Cars are way more.dangerous, but again its a sacrifice I'm will to accept.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 06:00:06
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 08:21:17
"Fauci calling shootings a health crisis something."

What a fucking idiot. Between that and his "civil liberties are irrelevant next to the threat of Covid" comment, I really can't wait for him to fade back into irrelevance.
Paramount
Member
Mon Apr 19 09:43:44
Is it not obvious that if people gets shot it is critical (a crisis) to people's health?
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 09:50:42
That's like saying that car accidents are a public health crisis.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 10:04:04
The US is nothing but a conquered territory. Conquered by people dead long ago and dead way before any of your ancestors got their.

Stealing glory is a crime in your country habebe.
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 10:10:10
^says the descendent of the Indo-Europeans who displaced the original residents of Scandanvia
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 10:15:54
My anscestors replaced glaciers.
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 11:26:50
That's an interesting statement, since the oldest remnants of human settlement in Tromso are 9,000 years old, yet the Indo-Europeans only showed up 5,000 years ago.

jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 11:40:55
Ruggy
You are not making the point you think you are.
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 11:41:58
And what is the point I am making, in your mind?
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 12:06:27
That eveyone is the genocidal monolingual git you are.
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 15:59:38
Last time I checked, we still have Native Americans. Looks like we kind of sucked at that whole "genocide" thing.

And if you're accusing us of cultural genocide...well, people in glass houses bro. Let's just say that there's a reason why you're speaking a Germanic language, and not whatever the Komsa spoke.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 16:17:54
Komsa is not a thing. Multilingualism is a thing.

1/3rd of Sami words have paleo-european roots. So no mass genocide, just a slow shift in how people spoke.

So, yah, my ancestors replaced glaciers.
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 16:32:24
Ah yes, the Sami. Aka the people the Norwegians crowded out of their own territory.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 16:41:32
Ruggy
You cannot even see things outside of a genocidal prism.

Sad.

No one crowded anyone out of anything. Review population density data.
Rugian
Member
Mon Apr 19 16:45:26
Jergul

Review American population density data. The English didn't crowd out the Natives either.

Centuries of Norwegian colonialism into historically Sami areas of Scandanavia have reduced them to a stagnant minority in their own territory. Not a good look for someone crying foul over a (made up) genocide in another country.
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 16:55:21
Ruggy
Again, you cannot but see things through a genocidal lense. It is very sad.

My argument here is that you intuitively think that others must die for some to florish. This is your genocidal streak I am pointing to.

Centuries of interaction and coexistence. The concept of territory is not relevant, nor is the concept of colonization.

The two big things were Saleem witchhunting shit in the 1700s, then some issues as Norway invented a sense of self from the 1870s and forward for about a century.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 17:05:44
The Salem witch trials were done when the US wasnt a concept yet.

Norway had state sponsored slavery in the 1940s.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 17:06:09
Also they were the late 1600s...
jergul
large member
Mon Apr 19 17:12:20
habebe
I was referring to a Danish-Norwegian equivalent that took place a bit later.

You have state sponsored slavery today. Since you are florishing such terms. Not to mention indentured servitude in your armed forces.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 17:32:15
You dont see a difference between slavery based on race (Juden) and an army of the willing versus ypur slave army.
Habebe
Member
Mon Apr 19 17:36:22
Its also funny that your against the military that your nation relies on ..... Even though you refuse to pay a fair share competitively.
jergul
large member
Tue Apr 20 00:31:55
Only racists say "Juden" in English. You are personally quite familiar with the slaves I was speaking of. Convicts are specifically excluded from anti slavery legislation.

Your soldiers are indentured servants with little in the way of constitutional, or other legal protections and contracts they cannot escape.

And stop leveraging your global military budget. You are not paying your fair share of Nato costs as you waste most of your military budget far, far, far away from Nato theater of operations.

You pull the same shit on Japan and South Korea?

"wah, you are not paying your fair share. Look at how much more of our money is going to defend Norway, wait, no, I mean you".
habebe
Member
Tue Apr 20 00:38:41
Juden was for context. I knew what you meant (prisoners)


It's useful to have the ability to project military power world wide.

Yes Japan and SK probably should pay more. The Saudis seem pretty good at assisting in an adequate defense.
jergul
large member
Tue Apr 20 00:50:20
You have been limited to single theater capability for decades.

There is not way you are paying your fair share into any of the Nato like security treaties you have agreed to.

You are spread too thin, too far, and should pay more.
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