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Paramount
Member Sun Jun 20 09:02:36
So they have these camps in the U.S. where kidnapped children are being abused and traumatized and sometimes die.

There are at the least thousands of children in these camps, but no one knows for sure because no one is keeping track. It means it could be hundreds of thousands, up to a million or more, traumatized children in these U.S camps.

"My parents got me kidnapped and dropped off in the middle of the mountains," 21-year-old Daniel says in a TikTok video watched more than a million times.

As a teenager, Daniel suffered anxiety and depression. He was 15 and had recently come out as gay when he self-harmed so severely that he required hospital care. It was in hospital that he was shaken awake in the middle of the night by two men. They told him the process could be easy or hard - depending on how much he resisted. With little fight left in him, Daniel went with the pair. But when he asked a stranger if he could use a telephone to call his parents on a brief stop for food, he says the escorts threatened him with handcuffs.
Daniel was sent to a wilderness programme in Georgia where he spent 77 days living outdoors, hiking miles a day on rations. He vividly remembers feeling cold, hungry and dirty for weeks on end and witnessing others attempt to run away and try to take their own lives.

The people who took Hilton and Daniel were from companies specially marketed to families concerned about how their children might react to being enrolled in a programme. These youth transportation services are well-advertised and often come recommended, with parents typically paying a few thousand dollars to have their children taken from their beds and securely dropped off across the country.

The US Government Accountability Office was tasked with investigating allegations of neglect and abuse across the industry in 2007, but found it difficult to grasp the national picture due to irregular licensing rules at the state level and ambiguity surrounding the labels facilities use to describe themselves.

Their investigators found THOUSANDS of allegations of ABUSE and examined a number of DEATHS at behavioural programmes across the US and in American-owned businesses operating abroad.”

^ The U.S has a whole INDUSTRY were private companies are kidnapping children. It’s basically death camps! Because kids die, and then they try to COVER IT UP!

” Her daughter Erica was just 15 when she died of heatstroke and dehydration on her first full day in a wilderness programme in Nevada in 2002.

Erica's obituary could only say that she died hiking in Nevada. Her parents would not find out her cause of death for weeks - and it took years and a lawsuit for them to get records and find out the truth of what happened that day.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57442175

This is a serious and grave violation of human rights. The U.S must open up these camps for independent international inspections. If kids are being kidnapped and kept in these camps where they are being abused to death, the world has a right to know. The kids must be released immediately.

Habebe
Member Sun Jun 20 12:56:21
Isn't it the parents sending the kids away?That's not kidnapping, poor parenting perhaps.

These bootcamps can be sort of shady.This article sounds misleading though with very little in real stats. A "number of deaths"

Wtf is that?! Ive murdered a number of people! Can you guess the number?I'll give you a hint, it isn't represented in Roman numerals.

I get they intend it to sound like many, but that's beyond vague.

Habebe
Member Sun Jun 20 13:09:32
Some things might be cultural. Sending kids to go home and such is semi common. Its less common to go hike the gay away, but it happens, probably doesn't work very well.

But then again in parts of Europe they leave infants alone outside to Sleep, while in the US its beyond frowned upon, its a crime.

jergul
large member Sun Jun 20 13:36:07
habebe
Wow. The crime is leaving children in unsafe conditions like in your country as a whole.

jergul
large member Sun Jun 20 13:37:18
Not cultural in other words. I wholeheartedly agree that leaving children outside in the US is a hideous example of child endangerment.

Rugian
Member Sun Jun 20 13:48:03
^ I love how Europeans constantly describe America like it's a real-life version of The Triumph of Death come to life.

Get some fucking perspective bro. There's like 75 million Americans under the age of 18 and maybe like a thousand of them are homicide victims in any given year.

Growing up in what is objectively the greatest country in all of human history is quite safe.

Rugian
Member Sun Jun 20 13:53:12
Meanwhile, 15,000 unborn Norwegian children are murdered in the womb every year. But jergul, having been brainwashed by feminist ideology, doesn't care about any of those victims.

TheChildren
Member Sun Jun 20 14:15:20
why they kidnappin them wtf lol.

r da parents tryin 2 "toughen them up 2 be a man" or something?

i dunt even get why they doing this.
they look so down on them that they think they need 2 learn mountain shit?

jergul
large member Sun Jun 20 14:25:34
Ruggy
Abortion? The 1980s called and want their problems back.

Its a 3rd world problem. Characterised by the US abortion rate 50% higher than Norway's.

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 02:15:38
Jergul gets so defensive.

If death is the concern then leaving kids out in the cold probably kills a higher rate of kids than gay summer camp. But realistically both are probably.not as big of a deal as headline grabbing journalists will make them put to be.Cars, pools and melted mozzerella are probably far more dangerous.

TC, They want them to stop being gay I presume.

Rugian, The big fear in Scandinavia seems to be rape. Oodles of rape, a rape culture over there, date rapes, gang rapes, you name it they'll rape it.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 02:25:11
Habebe
Defensive? Living in the US kills children at a far higher rate.

Why or why do you keep comparing your country to civilized places? You just set yourself up for failure.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 02:27:04
You have more than two times our child mortality (0-5 years).

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 02:38:58
Comparing Apple's to oranges.

A small wealthy petrol state that is ethnically over 90% the same compared a massive continent sized grouping of states with every form of geographic landscapenput there that brings in 3rd world immigrants by the millions.

Of you were to look at thosensame rates with comparable demographics those differences wouldn't look as such.

It would be a better comparison to look at members of the hpuse of Saud Royal family to Norway.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 03:05:58
Yes, yes. I know your country is inferior by design. TC makes that point often.

So just stop setting yourself up for failure by comparing yourself to your betters.

It does not help you as anything worthy would remain out of your reach.

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 03:56:51
"You have more than two times our child mortality (0-5 years).
"

2 times 0 is still 0.

Glad to see that you agree that abortion is a bad thing though. Not sure how hhatll go over at the next Tromso Male Ally Rally, but you gotta stick to what you believe in I guess.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 04:05:43
rofl@ruggy thinking 0 children 0-5 die in the US each year. Does loving Trump rot the mind, or do you need a rotted mind to love Trump?

A chicken-egg question to ponder.

Medical interventions for easily preventible issues are a waste of resources.

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 04:17:35
Jergul just admitted he gets his info from TC....

...

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 04:18:11
Lmao

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 04:20:49
Jergul

2 x 0.000000001 might be more than 0.000000001, sure.

Its also a statistical irrelevancy that no one with an objective and intelligent mind should care about.

Although maybe you should ask TC what his opinion on this is, seeing as he seems to be your primary source of information these days.

Lmao jergul

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 04:22:14
His perspective on the US is far more accurate than yours is.

Endless corrupt offspring and variations on a religious idea that yours is some manifest destiny.

It really is quite tiresomely counterfactual.

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 04:29:39
Does it even register with you that you're coming off as completely insane right now?

There's having a skewed perceptive of something, and then there's being completely and utterly detached from reality. You my friend are solidly in that latter category.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 04:31:38
Ruggy, is the US a benign force of good in international relations no matter what it does?

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 04:33:10
It amuses me that you think ME policy is about oil, while in fact it is actually about arranging prophesies such that the rapture will come sooner rather than later.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 04:35:58
"A 2017 LifeWay poll conducted in United States found that 80% of evangelical Christians believed that the creation of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that would bring about Christ's return and more than 50% of Evangelical Christians believed that they support Israel because it is important for fulfilling the prophecy"

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 04:47:28
Jergul

My stance on the Iraq War should suffice as an answer.

Question for you: do you believe that the US and China have comparable views on the fundamental rights and liberties of their citizens and are more or less an equal force for good and/or evil on both the domestic and international stage?

If you think the State Department is full of evangelicals, then you make the evangelicals look sane by comparison.

Paramount
Member Mon Jun 21 04:50:43
” i dunt even get why they doing this.
they look so down on them that they think they need 2 learn mountain shit?”

Yeah, it’s weird. One does not even need mountain skills in today’s life/world.

People lives a modern life in cities today. It would be better if the parents forced their kids to learn to code instead.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 04:55:04
Ruggy
Sure, your stance now. I was the lone voice against that back in the day.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 04:57:29
Ruggy
You Americans are always great at reviewing the past and seeing how your current perfection is due to correcting past flaws.

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 05:05:30
Jergul

We were close to achieving perfection in 2017. We lost it in 2021 when the establishment folks responsible for the Iraq War regained executive power.

You keep making these assertions about my outlook on politics, but I don't see any part of myself that's actually in them. That's how far you are off the ball here.

You ignored my question by the way.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 05:13:51
Ruggy
You elect a dictator for 4 years in matters of foreign affairs. At least China aims for continuity beyond a 4 year frame, so is inherently both more responsible and predictable than whatever rabble you see fit to turn into your despot abroad.

Trump highlighted that nicely. Sure Biden makes the right noises. But he will soon be replaced by someone the the full authority to reverse pretty much anything he wants.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 05:18:39
Let me remind you of the 3 pillars of US foreign policy:

1. We may be bad, but the alternatives are worse.
2. Be reasonable or we will have to use force.
3. Now look at what you made us do.

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 05:19:14
More predictable? Sure. More responsible? Your credibility just went down the toilet.

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 05:20:19
China is literally in a war to destroy the values of Western Civilization at both home and abroad and you think it's "reaponsible." Lmao

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 05:21:15
"1. We may be bad, but the alternatives are worse."

Yes.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 05:33:12
Ruggy
Certainly more responsible on an existential level. But wake me up when the US agrees to refrain from the first use of nuclear weapons and permanently binds itself to global warming accords.

Hell, wake me up when you agree those two things are responsible international moves to make.

I look forward to a long nap :D.

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 05:50:19
You mean those global warming accords that explicitly hold China to a different standard than the US?

Yeah, that's one of many reasons why they're garbage.

China is responsible for 1/3rd of global greenhouse gas emissions and is currently building coal plants en masse. But hey, they signed a piece of paper, so their trampling all over democracy and freedom of expression is worth it!

Also if you're truly worried about the US using nukes any time soon, then you should probably stop watching PressTV in your spare time.

lmao jergul.

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 08:40:07
Actually out of modern large nations, Germany is probably the least responsible. Just pure shit dealing with those folks anymore, worst "ally" we have.

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 08:56:34
I guess vassal state is a more apt term. The defense minister of Germany openly admits that they exist by the whim of the US and they won't even pay 2% for defense.

But they have no problem building infrastructure to pay Russia more money because "ThEy DoNt LiKe fRacKinG" , mind you this isn't even a US complaint alone, most of Europe isn't fond of Nordstream 2.Biden loves it though, anything to help Putin, Biden has got his back.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Mon Jun 21 09:32:52
Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 05:21:15
"1. We may be bad, but the alternatives are worse."

Yes.

This is the reason a senile old man is your president. Because the alternative was deemed worse by the constituency. A lesser of two evils approach is an inevitable race to the bottom. See what you made them do?

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 10:40:27
Liquified natural gas cannot compete with pipeline natural gas.

But I get why you are butthurt. No room for your greasy fingers to extort profit in bilateral Russian-German trade.

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 10:41:56
The US is the worst superpower ever, except for all the others.

I mean, Euros complain because a use our clout for our benefit, I really dont get this. Every nation does this, we just have a greater set of tools to work with because of our size, military, Economy (the dollar)

I mean God forbid we use sanctions.

Ans then get this, the US as the worlds police waa frownes upon. Home and abroad, UNTIL we tried to stop that and the Euros lost their shit "Oh, the US abandoning the world, woe is me" like WTF!

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 10:44:22
Balls talk for a subsidized continent.

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 10:44:51
Also, even most EU nationsnare against NS2.

jergul
large member Mon Jun 21 11:08:10
Wow. The rational of a mafia boss.

Rugian
Member Mon Jun 21 11:15:22
Nim

I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying "to hell with the best of the worst, you should have gone with Trump again?"

Habebe
Member Mon Jun 21 12:25:26
Jergul, Im not sure you comprehend how the Mafia worked/works.

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Paramount Member	Sun Jun 20 09:02:36 So they have these camps in the U.S. where kidnapped children are being abused and traumatized and sometimes die. There are at the least thousands of children in these camps, but no one knows for sure because no one is keeping track. It means it could be hundreds of thousands, up to a million or more, traumatized children in these U.S camps. "My parents got me kidnapped and dropped off in the middle of the mountains," 21-year-old Daniel says in a TikTok video watched more than a million times. As a teenager, Daniel suffered anxiety and depression. He was 15 and had recently come out as gay when he self-harmed so severely that he required hospital care. It was in hospital that he was shaken awake in the middle of the night by two men. They told him the process could be easy or hard - depending on how much he resisted. With little fight left in him, Daniel went with the pair. But when he asked a stranger if he could use a telephone to call his parents on a brief stop for food, he says the escorts threatened him with handcuffs. Daniel was sent to a wilderness programme in Georgia where he spent 77 days living outdoors, hiking miles a day on rations. He vividly remembers feeling cold, hungry and dirty for weeks on end and witnessing others attempt to run away and try to take their own lives. The people who took Hilton and Daniel were from companies specially marketed to families concerned about how their children might react to being enrolled in a programme. These youth transportation services are well-advertised and often come recommended, with parents typically paying a few thousand dollars to have their children taken from their beds and securely dropped off across the country. The US Government Accountability Office was tasked with investigating allegations of neglect and abuse across the industry in 2007, but found it difficult to grasp the national picture due to irregular licensing rules at the state level and ambiguity surrounding the labels facilities use to describe themselves. Their investigators found THOUSANDS of allegations of ABUSE and examined a number of DEATHS at behavioural programmes across the US and in American-owned businesses operating abroad.” ^ The U.S has a whole INDUSTRY were private companies are kidnapping children. It’s basically death camps! Because kids die, and then they try to COVER IT UP! ” Her daughter Erica was just 15 when she died of heatstroke and dehydration on her first full day in a wilderness programme in Nevada in 2002. Erica's obituary could only say that she died hiking in Nevada. Her parents would not find out her cause of death for weeks - and it took years and a lawsuit for them to get records and find out the truth of what happened that day.” http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57442175 This is a serious and grave violation of human rights. The U.S must open up these camps for independent international inspections. If kids are being kidnapped and kept in these camps where they are being abused to death, the world has a right to know. The kids must be released immediately.
Habebe Member	Sun Jun 20 12:56:21 Isn't it the parents sending the kids away?That's not kidnapping, poor parenting perhaps. These bootcamps can be sort of shady.This article sounds misleading though with very little in real stats. A "number of deaths" Wtf is that?! Ive murdered a number of people! Can you guess the number?I'll give you a hint, it isn't represented in Roman numerals. I get they intend it to sound like many, but that's beyond vague.
Habebe Member	Sun Jun 20 13:09:32 Some things might be cultural. Sending kids to go home and such is semi common. Its less common to go hike the gay away, but it happens, probably doesn't work very well. But then again in parts of Europe they leave infants alone outside to Sleep, while in the US its beyond frowned upon, its a crime.
jergul large member	Sun Jun 20 13:36:07 habebe Wow. The crime is leaving children in unsafe conditions like in your country as a whole.
jergul large member	Sun Jun 20 13:37:18 Not cultural in other words. I wholeheartedly agree that leaving children outside in the US is a hideous example of child endangerment.
Rugian Member	Sun Jun 20 13:48:03 ^ I love how Europeans constantly describe America like it's a real-life version of The Triumph of Death come to life. Get some fucking perspective bro. There's like 75 million Americans under the age of 18 and maybe like a thousand of them are homicide victims in any given year. Growing up in what is objectively the greatest country in all of human history is quite safe.
Rugian Member	Sun Jun 20 13:53:12 Meanwhile, 15,000 unborn Norwegian children are murdered in the womb every year. But jergul, having been brainwashed by feminist ideology, doesn't care about any of those victims.
TheChildren Member	Sun Jun 20 14:15:20 why they kidnappin them wtf lol. r da parents tryin 2 "toughen them up 2 be a man" or something? i dunt even get why they doing this. they look so down on them that they think they need 2 learn mountain shit?
jergul large member	Sun Jun 20 14:25:34 Ruggy Abortion? The 1980s called and want their problems back. Its a 3rd world problem. Characterised by the US abortion rate 50% higher than Norway's.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 02:15:38 Jergul gets so defensive. If death is the concern then leaving kids out in the cold probably kills a higher rate of kids than gay summer camp. But realistically both are probably.not as big of a deal as headline grabbing journalists will make them put to be.Cars, pools and melted mozzerella are probably far more dangerous. TC, They want them to stop being gay I presume. Rugian, The big fear in Scandinavia seems to be rape. Oodles of rape, a rape culture over there, date rapes, gang rapes, you name it they'll rape it.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 02:25:11 Habebe Defensive? Living in the US kills children at a far higher rate. Why or why do you keep comparing your country to civilized places? You just set yourself up for failure.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 02:27:04 You have more than two times our child mortality (0-5 years).
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 02:38:58 Comparing Apple's to oranges. A small wealthy petrol state that is ethnically over 90% the same compared a massive continent sized grouping of states with every form of geographic landscapenput there that brings in 3rd world immigrants by the millions. Of you were to look at thosensame rates with comparable demographics those differences wouldn't look as such. It would be a better comparison to look at members of the hpuse of Saud Royal family to Norway.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 03:05:58 Yes, yes. I know your country is inferior by design. TC makes that point often. So just stop setting yourself up for failure by comparing yourself to your betters. It does not help you as anything worthy would remain out of your reach.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 03:56:51 "You have more than two times our child mortality (0-5 years). " 2 times 0 is still 0. Glad to see that you agree that abortion is a bad thing though. Not sure how hhatll go over at the next Tromso Male Ally Rally, but you gotta stick to what you believe in I guess.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 04:05:43 rofl@ruggy thinking 0 children 0-5 die in the US each year. Does loving Trump rot the mind, or do you need a rotted mind to love Trump? A chicken-egg question to ponder. Medical interventions for easily preventible issues are a waste of resources.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 04:17:35 Jergul just admitted he gets his info from TC.... ...
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 04:18:11 Lmao
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 04:20:49 Jergul 2 x 0.000000001 might be more than 0.000000001, sure. Its also a statistical irrelevancy that no one with an objective and intelligent mind should care about. Although maybe you should ask TC what his opinion on this is, seeing as he seems to be your primary source of information these days. Lmao jergul
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 04:22:14 His perspective on the US is far more accurate than yours is. Endless corrupt offspring and variations on a religious idea that yours is some manifest destiny. It really is quite tiresomely counterfactual.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 04:29:39 Does it even register with you that you're coming off as completely insane right now? There's having a skewed perceptive of something, and then there's being completely and utterly detached from reality. You my friend are solidly in that latter category.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 04:31:38 Ruggy, is the US a benign force of good in international relations no matter what it does?
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 04:33:10 It amuses me that you think ME policy is about oil, while in fact it is actually about arranging prophesies such that the rapture will come sooner rather than later.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 04:35:58 "A 2017 LifeWay poll conducted in United States found that 80% of evangelical Christians believed that the creation of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that would bring about Christ's return and more than 50% of Evangelical Christians believed that they support Israel because it is important for fulfilling the prophecy"
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 04:47:28 Jergul My stance on the Iraq War should suffice as an answer. Question for you: do you believe that the US and China have comparable views on the fundamental rights and liberties of their citizens and are more or less an equal force for good and/or evil on both the domestic and international stage? If you think the State Department is full of evangelicals, then you make the evangelicals look sane by comparison.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 04:50:43 ” i dunt even get why they doing this. they look so down on them that they think they need 2 learn mountain shit?” Yeah, it’s weird. One does not even need mountain skills in today’s life/world. People lives a modern life in cities today. It would be better if the parents forced their kids to learn to code instead.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 04:55:04 Ruggy Sure, your stance now. I was the lone voice against that back in the day.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 04:57:29 Ruggy You Americans are always great at reviewing the past and seeing how your current perfection is due to correcting past flaws.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 05:05:30 Jergul We were close to achieving perfection in 2017. We lost it in 2021 when the establishment folks responsible for the Iraq War regained executive power. You keep making these assertions about my outlook on politics, but I don't see any part of myself that's actually in them. That's how far you are off the ball here. You ignored my question by the way.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 05:13:51 Ruggy You elect a dictator for 4 years in matters of foreign affairs. At least China aims for continuity beyond a 4 year frame, so is inherently both more responsible and predictable than whatever rabble you see fit to turn into your despot abroad. Trump highlighted that nicely. Sure Biden makes the right noises. But he will soon be replaced by someone the the full authority to reverse pretty much anything he wants.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 05:18:39 Let me remind you of the 3 pillars of US foreign policy: 1. We may be bad, but the alternatives are worse. 2. Be reasonable or we will have to use force. 3. Now look at what you made us do.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 05:19:14 More predictable? Sure. More responsible? Your credibility just went down the toilet.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 05:20:19 China is literally in a war to destroy the values of Western Civilization at both home and abroad and you think it's "reaponsible." Lmao
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 05:21:15 "1. We may be bad, but the alternatives are worse." Yes.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 05:33:12 Ruggy Certainly more responsible on an existential level. But wake me up when the US agrees to refrain from the first use of nuclear weapons and permanently binds itself to global warming accords. Hell, wake me up when you agree those two things are responsible international moves to make. I look forward to a long nap :D.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 05:50:19 You mean those global warming accords that explicitly hold China to a different standard than the US? Yeah, that's one of many reasons why they're garbage. China is responsible for 1/3rd of global greenhouse gas emissions and is currently building coal plants en masse. But hey, they signed a piece of paper, so their trampling all over democracy and freedom of expression is worth it! Also if you're truly worried about the US using nukes any time soon, then you should probably stop watching PressTV in your spare time. lmao jergul.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 08:40:07 Actually out of modern large nations, Germany is probably the least responsible. Just pure shit dealing with those folks anymore, worst "ally" we have.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 08:56:34 I guess vassal state is a more apt term. The defense minister of Germany openly admits that they exist by the whim of the US and they won't even pay 2% for defense. But they have no problem building infrastructure to pay Russia more money because "ThEy DoNt LiKe fRacKinG" , mind you this isn't even a US complaint alone, most of Europe isn't fond of Nordstream 2.Biden loves it though, anything to help Putin, Biden has got his back.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jun 21 09:32:52 Rugian Member Mon Jun 21 05:21:15 "1. We may be bad, but the alternatives are worse." Yes. This is the reason a senile old man is your president. Because the alternative was deemed worse by the constituency. A lesser of two evils approach is an inevitable race to the bottom. See what you made them do?
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 10:40:27 Liquified natural gas cannot compete with pipeline natural gas. But I get why you are butthurt. No room for your greasy fingers to extort profit in bilateral Russian-German trade.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 10:41:56 The US is the worst superpower ever, except for all the others. I mean, Euros complain because a use our clout for our benefit, I really dont get this. Every nation does this, we just have a greater set of tools to work with because of our size, military, Economy (the dollar) I mean God forbid we use sanctions. Ans then get this, the US as the worlds police waa frownes upon. Home and abroad, UNTIL we tried to stop that and the Euros lost their shit "Oh, the US abandoning the world, woe is me" like WTF!
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 10:44:22 Balls talk for a subsidized continent.
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 10:44:51 Also, even most EU nationsnare against NS2.
jergul large member	Mon Jun 21 11:08:10 Wow. The rational of a mafia boss.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 21 11:15:22 Nim I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying "to hell with the best of the worst, you should have gone with Trump again?"
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 21 12:25:26 Jergul, Im not sure you comprehend how the Mafia worked/works.
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