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Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Wed Jun 23 14:56:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h535TzrcjUE I'm actually relieved that this man in a top General.
Rugian Member	Wed Jun 23 15:04:36 If by "owns" you mean "commits perjury," then sure. I trust Lt. Com. Matthew Lohmeier over this Biden hack.
Habebe Member	Wed Jun 23 15:14:40 Its ironic he talks about how well read he is and then goes on tontalk about how africans were considered 3/4ths of a human being....
Habebe Member	Wed Jun 23 15:15:49 But I guess he will get 5 minutes of fame out of this.meh.
Rugian Member	Wed Jun 23 15:21:45 Oh I only watched the first half at first. In the second half, he chalks up the 1/6 riot to "white rage," even though there was zero racial element to that day. This guy is a leftist piece of shit activist, not a legit military commander.
Habebe Member	Wed Jun 23 15:38:23 Yeah, he claims he wants to understand, and yet clearlynhas no idea what he is talking about.
Habebe Member	Wed Jun 23 15:38:50 Gaetz was right not to waste his time on him.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jun 23 16:30:16 Trump appointed Milley "zero racial element" seems pretty strong... a 'camp auschwitz' t-shirt, confederate flags, many 'ok' hand symbols (granted not a definite indicator), plus white supremacists love Trump & confrontation... i'm pretty sure some were in there
Rugian Member	Wed Jun 23 16:33:37 "granted not a definite indicator" This is why I hate you so much. No, the okay sign is not a white supremacist symbol, definite or otherwise. There is some troll factor in using it in response to the liberal media meltdown over the sign. As for the rest, do you have any indication that anything you saw there was more than anecdotal? One guy wears a Campbell Auschwitz shirt and all of a sudden the entire thing is a Klan rally? Really?
Rugian Member	Wed Jun 23 16:36:27 Camp autocorrects to Campbell? Really?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jun 23 16:55:22 you chose to say "zero", anecdotal suffices but no i don't believe that was the main motivation... gullible cultists believing Trump's continuous (to this day) stream of lies (which turned them into cultists for that matter), & which got backed up by garbage 'news' outlets is what inspired them to act (& given Trump's main selling point in 2015 over the other R's was his strong anti-Mexican/anti-Muslim stance, i'm not confused why white supremacists are in his cult)
Rugian Member	Wed Jun 23 17:15:11 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materiality_(auditing)
Habebe Member	Wed Jun 23 17:27:13 "Trump appointed Milley" I think you of all people would agree Trump had made some bad choices.This may be one of them. I don't see Trump as anti Muslim or anti Mexican. He had a good relationship with Mexico and Saudi Arabia. He was anti illegal immigration and for controlled legal immigration. He w as anti terrorism. Even the the Great Prince of the Kingdom has said extremists/terrorists are a problem in that area.The house of Saud is not anti Muslim.
Habebe Member	Wed Jun 23 17:37:06 I also resent the assumption Republicans are anti Mexican and Muslim. You won't find anyone on these boards as big of a fan of the Kingdom nor Mexico as myself. If anything I think both parties have been missing an opportunity with whom should be our closest ally. I'm thrilled in Biden's push for closer ties into the Canzukus alliance.I only wish that Mexico, India, Taiwan, SK, and Japan were brought into the fold, an alliance of western minded democracies that currently should focus on building strategic supply chains within that group and not to rely on untrustworthy Europe and China.
Rugian Member	Wed Jun 23 17:52:08 "India" You don't read a whole lot of news out of that country, I take it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jun 23 17:56:53 @ Rugian ======== you went w/ zero... that means zero of those cultists had to be motivated by their racial views whereas a cultist's Trump fanaticism could very easily be related to racial views (& we -know- white supremacists openly advocated for him, for non-mysterious reasons) i don't know the % in that crowd, but pretty confident it wasn't zero (or an immaterial amount) BLM is basically viewed as the Dem side, Trump claimed Dems want open borders & will flood suburbs w/ poor... if you fear any of those things on racial grounds, you might be a racially motivated Trump cultist (& plenty other reason)... & having fear of the world Trump claimed would happen also a motivation to become violent although i agree, Gen Milley shouldn't have suggested White Rage as the primary motivation (although it's definitely out there) @ Habebe ======== Trump was very much anti-Muslim (i was referring to the campaign specifically, although he never seemed positive toward Muslims)... during the campaign he proposed a total muslim ban, it was in response to terrorism but still would be a huge appeal to muslim haters & paints them all negatively... & he told a story over & over & over wrongly (that i mentioned over & over) claiming people saw 'bombs all over the place' in a terrorist's home & didn't warn authorities (this was part of his claim that all muslims living in a neighborhood know what the terrorist is up to... that's pretty anti-muslim) he likes Saudis as they give him money... he even specifically said so as for Mexicans, he had the wall plan of course & claimed he'd send every single illegal home & suggested most coming were garbage people... this can appeal to you on non-racial grounds, but also will appeal to some racially it's entirely clear why white supremacists were on his side (& remained so), & i'm not saying anything at all about Republicans... these were Trump cultists who attacked on Jan 6th, none of them did it out of being Republican
Habebe Member	Wed Jun 23 19:19:25 Rugian, Perhaps I missed something? But, in order to ween ourselves off of China I think it will be hard to do without what is soon to be the largest population on earth. TW, Realistically though, these nations that were on the ban were reasonably where terrorists were coming from. I get what your saying about why racists would be favorable to that sort of policy.But I don't think it was intended due to racism. The president of Mexico was famously a supporter of Trump and praised the respectful relationship between the nation's. But again, I could see how racists would favor such polocy as well for separate reasons. For that matter racist whites have probably long supported the minimum wage as it tends to lead to racist outcomes.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jun 23 21:41:33 every R candidate -except- Trump wanted targeted bans of Muslim countries, Trump wanted to top them and just made it every Muslim period (during campaign)... yes, he had to tone it down later. (And there was pretty consistent smearing of muslims and almost being a synonym for terrorist) Trump was the only one promising to deport -every- illegal Mexican as well, the other candidates knew it wouldn’t happen and didn’t realize now you could lie your ass off without consequence I guess... or at least this one obvious fraud could. Those were the issues that set Trump apart... his healthcare plan was a joke, his tax plan, when he finally had one, to others, his plan for ISiS was a secret... it was his Mexicans stuff in particular that made him stand out... (& his deal with the devil effect clouding people’s minds to his obvious unfitness and bullshit) I’m not going to try to prove Trump is racist, I’m fine with the agreement his views would appeal to racists.
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 24 09:01:11 "Trump was the only one promising to deport -every- illegal Mexican as well, " Ok, but again, that's not racist. I agree racists would also like that policy, but the fact that illegal is in there makes a world of difference. Trump is many things, IMHO racist is not one of them. At worst I see this as an attempt for a power grab. The west and CA in particular uses illegal immigrants to gain political power, literally and bluntly. If Trump seen a way to do something he thought was economically beneficial, politically popular and take away I'll gotten political power from the DNC I think these ends seem more up his alley. He opposed statehood for PR and DC, not due to racism, but because whonthey would.vote for. Plus DC would be illegal and gets a sweet deal anyway.
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 24 09:02:32 Other than lowering some drug prices, did he do anything with healthcare?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 24 10:40:07 Trumps healthcare ‘plan’ was just allowing sales across state lines... he never knew what Obamacare was, or anything about healthcare structure or any R replacement plans... he eventually learned ‘protecting preexisting conditions’ were popular words to say and he repeated them & just lied that Rs supported that more than Ds, even though he doesn’t even know what it means. I’m quite confident he’s racist (& sexist) but I believe most everyone has some of that. He also had his “shithole” countries episode (again not proving racist, but again would appeal to racists)... and “I think Islam hates us” for his broad anti-Muslim views (and his repeated ‘snake’ poem reading was about letting Muslims in... even though applies to himself better). The point being the extreme racists clearly had cause to favor him, and with the portrait he painted of a Biden America, certainly cause for those types to violently resist. Although he whipped up the violent fanatics in other ways too. So, non-zero is my claim
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 24 11:06:09 White racists did have cause to favor Trump over the alternatives. Non white racists would favor the alternatives. Most people agree blacks tend to be the most racist group in America.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jun 24 11:14:36 there probably would’ve been some violence on a Trump win too... but not at all whipped up by Biden
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 24 11:22:50 Agreed. Biden doesn't excite anyone. He just gets old man grumpy and snaps at reporters that henis being treated unfairly by the press, even though he gets more favorable press treatment than any president since maybe Eisenhower.
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