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TheChildren Member	Wed Jun 23 15:41:32 lol big dosis of owned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzQ7GY3rNt0
nhill Member	Wed Jun 23 15:41:58 What's a dosis?
nhill Member	Wed Jun 23 15:42:50 > They’re rubbing it in our nose. They know we won’t do anything about it. Our guys are busy with diversity training. Top comment is pretty funny.
Rugian Member	Wed Jun 23 16:08:00 American woke military ad versus Russian Chad military ad http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYrRy3mzE Its totally impossible that the US Army is teaching CRT to its soldiers though. Lol
Nekran Member	Thu Jun 24 06:23:33 "What's a dosis?" It's the dutch word... it's been long known that TC is a dutch troll. He fucks up from time to time.
Seb Member	Thu Jun 24 07:16:55 Critical Race Theory is a fairly esoteric legal analysis framework. What most of you nutty people mean when you rail against "critical race theory" is people pointing out the existence of structural discrimination.
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 24 07:21:55 tc been called many things be4. i am supposedly german, dutch, russian, french, belgion, hell some even called me a yankee. they called me river of blood, sam madam, saikotic, camapig, hell i been pretty much said 2 be anyone. who is tc. da reality is this. noone of ur frikkin bizness thats who i am. ascended asian.deal with it
Seb Member	Thu Jun 24 07:24:12 I mean, as I see it, banning the use of CRT in schoolrooms could be interpreted to mean that you cannot teach about instances where law has been used to discriminate. Is it really the intention to ban discussion of Jim Crow laws and the Civil Rights movement from history classes?
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 24 07:32:05 " is people pointing out the existence of structural discrimination." And thats where you fuck up, because "structural racism" is a complete fabrication. It hasn't even existed since the 1960s, in fact. What CRT does do is teach impressionable young white children that, regardless of their actual circumstances, they are inherently privileged due to the existence of a white supremacy culture. Meanwhile, impressionable young minority children are taught that, whatever their actual circumstances, they are effectively victims of society and will never be able to fully thrive in America. What the hell are you trying to accomplish by indoctrinating kids with such a divisive and counterfactual message? He only goal of such a programme is to encourage conflict between the races in order to foster a neo-Marxist revolutionary spirit among the perceived underclasses. Its not only total bullshit, its extremely destructive bullshit. People like Seb need to be kept far away from our schools.
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 24 07:37:19 And let's be clear: CRT IS a product of Marxism. By virtue of that fact alone, anyone who isn't a Marxist should be against it. Its quite telling that Seb is not.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 24 08:11:55 What a strange binary world you live in. Marxist theory has lots of useful analytical tools. Using them makes you a marxist as much as thinking market mechanisms are fine makes you a capitalist (a person who owns and controls the means of production)
Rugian Member	Thu Jun 24 08:49:36 I'm quite unsurprised that the guy who routinely sides with communist China over the United States finds value in Marxist ideology.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 24 11:28:50 Anyone scientifically literate finds value in Marxist academic theory. He and Engels created an analytical framework for class structures which is highly useful and quite mainstream. The historical determinism ideology that Marx derived from it is something else.
nhill Member	Thu Jun 24 11:36:58 > noone of ur frikkin bizness thats who i am. ascended asian.deal with it You disappoint me greatly, TC. I had just started to hope you might be a real person, but now you're making me think you are a multi. Sad. Predictable, but sad.
TheChildren Member	Thu Jun 24 15:54:28 rofl r u retarded. noone gives a crap what u think. ur da dispointment. how do we know ur not a multi. thats right, who says ur not a camapig. only he talks so stupied all da time. u a stinkin kangaroo?
nhill Member	Thu Jun 24 16:15:50 Will you meet me for lunch sometime?
Habebe Member	Thu Jun 24 16:38:41 Jergul, I think the cause of concern is that its often touted by far left authoritarians , such as yourself and Seb. I dont know if scientifically literate is a prerequisite for referencing some of Marx's ideas. Its common place reading in US highschool. Alongside Friedman and Keynes.Atleast in my HS.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 24 17:34:41 rofl@passive aggressive "far left authoritarians". I seriously doubt you know anything at all about marxist economic and cultural theory. Marxism is derived from one simple observation. Capitalism har inherent contradictions that will inevitably lead to its demise. Essentially that competition will force capitalists to cannibalize their own markets by decreasing employee purchasing power in order to remain competative. You whine about that often enough. All the good blue collar jobs have gone overseas. I am suprised "Spot" is commonplace reading at your US high school.
habebe Member	Thu Jun 24 17:46:02 Again with you accusations of passive aggressiveness. Do you take issue with far left or authoritarian?
habebe Member	Thu Jun 24 17:50:23 You may not be far left for Norway. But by NA standards you are. Seb is a fringe far left party in his own country. Both of you seem to lean authoritarian.
jergul large member	Fri Jun 25 04:55:06 Leaning authoritarian? I noted on your musings on how to pay for infrastructure that you did not for one second consider reducing military spending.
Seb Member	Fri Jun 25 06:54:37 Rugian: Marxism isn't an ideology, muppet. You have confused Marxism with Communism. Marxism is a method of socioeconomic analysis that focuses on materialist forces as the dominant mechanism of historical and societal development. I.e. to simplify it says class relations drive social conflict, and things like religion and culture as primary motivators are window dressing and narrative that follow from class relations. I'm not even sure you can say CRT is a product of Marxism so much as "vaguely influenced by"; but then so is much of modern political economics which thinks of organised labour and capital as competing factors affecting society.
Seb Member	Fri Jun 25 07:00:35 Habebe: "Jergul, I think the cause of concern is that its often touted by far left authoritarians , such as yourself and Seb." What you consider far left and authoritarian is absurd. Also deeply hypocritical when one of your primary praises for Trump was how he was a strong leader willing to do what it takes to get his way. "Seb is a fringe far left party in his own country." Liberal Democrat vote share peaked when my faction of the party was in power, and we went into coalition with the Conservatives. Does that sound far left to you? Lib Dems are in the centre of the political spectrum in the UK. Give me an example of a Liberal Democrat policy which is "far left" in UK terms.
habebe Member	Fri Jun 25 12:17:23 Jergul, Military spending does not equate to authoritarian. The US military also doubles a massive poverty elimination project in reality. Seb, "What you consider far left and authoritarian is absurd. Also deeply hypocritical when one of your primary praises for Trump was how he was a strong leader willing to do what it takes to get his way." Perception is in thebeye of the beholder.Trump thinking outside the box is not authoritarian. My point about liberal Democrats in the UK is that they are fringe party (one of the smallest) in that regards.akin to say the US Libertarian or socialist parties.
habebe Member	Fri Jun 25 12:18:50 Again, to both Seb and Jergul. Is your gripe with authoritarian or far.left, or.both? Curiously where do you see yourself both within your country and by US standards?
jergul large member	Fri Jun 25 13:51:16 habebe The military is part of the State's tools of oppression. Supporting military spending at levels higher than the rest of the world combined is demonstrating a strong authoritarian bent. My gripe is with how warped your outlook is. Neither myself nor seb are by any stretch of a sane imagination either authoritarian or far left.
Habebe Member	Fri Jun 25 14:13:37 "The military is part of the State's tools of oppression. Supporting military spending at levels higher than the rest of the world combined is demonstrating a strong authoritarian bent." Thats just wrong. 1. Much of our military spending goes to maintaining many bases and to compensation. 1A. Bases are all over the world to both allow us to effectively allow us to project power anywhere But also because we help defend and subsidize many countries and regions. IE Germany is a US subsidized nation. 2.The US compensates their soldiers much abobe average pay. An infantry "grunt" gets over $100k/year of compensation. "My gripe is with how warped your outlook is. Neither myself nor seb are by any stretch of a sane imagination either authoritarian or far left." Where do you see yourselves politically? Where do you see me politically?
Seb Member	Fri Jun 25 14:28:48 Habebe: "Perception is in thebeye of the beholder.Trump thinking outside the box is not authoritarian." Yes, but thinking outside the box isn't what you were praising, it was his lack of restraint and refusal to tolerate multiple poles of power within an institutional framework that seeks to check executive authority. That is the very definition of authoritarian. "My point about liberal Democrats in the UK is that they are fringe party" Except that isn't what you said: you said far left, and this isn't correct either - Liberal democrats are the third biggest party in the UK - the last few elections have not been great in terms of vote share due to the LD's position on Brexit, but fringe parties don't end up in coalition govt. "akin to say the US Libertarian or socialist parties." When was the last time either of those parties had more than one person in congress? How many state positions do they hold?
Seb Member	Fri Jun 25 14:31:43 Your point in any case was that supporting the LDs indicated left wing authoritarianism. The LD's are the opposite of authoritarian - they believe in individual freedom and strong institutional checks and balances on the state; and their economic and social policies are in the centre. Their vote share is irrelevant to being left wing or authoritarian. Stop spouting bullshit. Back to the point please - Critical Race Theory, what about it do you object to specicaly. none of this "It's Marxist" unless you can explain specifically what about it is "marxist" and why that is bad thing in principle. None of this "Veganism is bad because Hitler was Vegan" bullshit by association.
Habebe Member	Fri Jun 25 14:58:06 "Yes, but thinking outside the box isn't what you were praising, it was his lack of restraint and refusal to tolerate multiple poles of power within an institutional framework that seeks to check executive authority. That is the very definition of authoritarian." I think you may have me mixed up with another poster. I dont recall opposing checks on presidential power. ----- As of 2021 it is the third-largest political party in the United States by voter registration. In the 2020 United States elections, the Libertarians gained a seat in the Wyoming House of Representatives, giving them their first state legislative win since 2000.[17][18][19] As of 2020, there were 224 Libertarians holding elected office: 96 of them partisan offices and 128 of them non-partisan offices. 63 of the partisan offices are minor positions in Pennsylvania. http://en....ertarian_Party_(United_States) "Your point in any case was that supporting the LDs indicated left wing authoritarianism." Perhaps I didnt clarify my points well, my bad. I meant to say that you belong to a minor or fringe party like a 3rd party in the US ( Bernies is sort of an independant and sort of a democratic Socialist who caucuses with the Dems) Ypur general posts over the years and positions have from my personal point of view, although I doubt Im alone in this that you are far left and lean authoritarian. One example that I can recall off hand is your assumption that elected county sheriffs should have to abide by the summons of the state government in Oregon. I beleive you called it "absurd" that they could legally refuse the central authority.
Habebe Member	Fri Jun 25 14:59:29 As for CRT, I havnt commented on that in this thread, and for now don't intend to.You have confused me with Rugian I beleive.
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