Utopia Talk / Politics / Nord Stream 2

Daemon Member	Thu Jul 22 13:22:57 Why was no deal possible with the "deal maker" Trump? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57923655 Nord Stream 2: US and Germany reach deal on controversial Russian gas pipeline Published 20 hours ago The US says it has reached a deal with Germany to prevent Russia from using its Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline as political leverage over Europe. The near-complete 1,230km (764 miles) pipeline under the Baltic Sea will double Russian gas exports to Germany. US official Victoria Nuland said it was "a bad pipeline", but said the deal envisaged sanctions against Moscow if it tried to blackmail Ukraine. Ukraine says the Nord Stream 2 pipeline threatens its security. The country has been fighting Russian-backed separatists in the east since 2014. Russia also annexed the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine in 2014. Kyiv fears a full-scale Russian invasion once Nord Stream 2 is fully operational. Ukraine also stands to lose about $3bn (£2.2bn) a year in gas transit fees. Poland is also opposing the pipeline, which runs from Vyborg in Russia under the Baltic Sea to Lubmin in Germany. Poland says the $10bn project threatens the security of central and eastern Europe. Russia denies this and describes the project as commercially beneficial for all involved. Under the terms of the US-German deal, Ukraine will get $50 million in green energy technology credits and a guarantee of repayment for gas transit fees it will lose by being bypassed by the pipeline through 2024, according to the Associated Press. In May, US President Joe Biden's administration waived sanctions on a company building the pipeline, despite a strong opposition from Republican lawmakers. Mr Biden's White House opposes the pipeline, but analysts say he is reluctant to risk a transatlantic rift with Germany at a time when he has been trying to reach out to European allies. Like its already operational twin Nord Stream, the new pipeline will have the capacity of 55bn cubic metres of gas per year to Europe.
Rugian Member	Thu Jul 22 13:46:13 Prioritizing Russian pipelines while nuking American ones. Sounds about right for this administration.
Habebe Member	Thu Jul 22 16:07:11 Trumps deal was better, nix the pipeline.
Rugian Member	Thu Jul 22 16:33:06 Trump: gave us Keystone, denied the Russians Nord Biden: gave the Russians Nord, denied us Keystone Who's the Russian plant again?
jergul large member	Thu Jul 22 21:30:56 Ruggy You are slacking. Sir Breivik has an anniversary.
Habebe Member	Thu Jul 22 21:55:27 "Why was no deal possible with the "deal maker" Trump?" That's such an odd question to ask. There was a deal prior to Trump, between Russia and Germany (to the dismay of some Baltic states for losing their cut) Trump offered to sell you good clean fracked gas from the US, instead your doubling down to pay the the bear in your backyard who your country magically can't afford to defend from and runs around as a beggar state. Honestly, Unfortunatley Germany is our shittiest ally these days.
Daemon Member	Fri Jul 23 02:42:58 "to the dismay of some Baltic states for losing their cut" Which Baltic states lose money now? "Trump offered to sell you good clean fracked gas from the US" And we offered to build more LNG terminals in Germany to buy your very expensive gas, but that was not enough for Trump. Cause he can't make deals. "instead your doubling down to pay the the bear in your backyard" We already bought gas from the SU, it worked. "Honestly, Unfortunatley Germany is our shittiest ally these days. " Whenever you try to defend Trump you end up looking like a complete retard, you should just stop it.
jergul large member	Fri Jul 23 07:41:51 It is simply far better to ship gas by pipe than by ship. We have one tiny LNG plant in Norway and when it works it spews out 2.5% of Norway's total CO2 emissions.
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