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OsamaIsDaWorstPresid
Member
Fri Aug 27 08:49:29
pretie mcuh guaranted aftar dementia biden iz finishid fukin da contrie in da ass

ne1 wana taek bets on if biden strokes out b4 da end of hiz term
murder
Member
Fri Aug 27 09:52:46

"ne1 wana taek bets on if biden strokes out b4 da end of hiz term"

Hopefully. The sooner the better.

Cherub Cow
Member
Sun Aug 29 10:03:05
DNC's corporate media is already laying the groundwork for his removal/resignation. Their reporters have been given the green light to start pushing him out of his box, though this could be that the corporate/DeepState overlords want to force Biden into more $$wars$$. All/most of Biden's live questions have been pre-screened, he only has pre-prepared answers, and Biden's sun-downing leaves him ill-equipped to handle spontaneous questions. DNC media can manufacture a narrative of how they — the "virtuous" press — were protecting the public from his "condition" for the good of the nation (a callback to FDR), but they'll slowly have to admit that Biden cannot perform his duties. Pelosi also did groundwork with her 25th Amendment activities (which people previously saw as transparently a dig at Trump while also a plan for Biden's removal), and Harris' hawkish presence in the background at pressers has been pretty obvious face-time for her inevitable ascension, so the stars keep aligning.

Back in January, I was expecting Biden to die of natural causes in August since old people usually gas out after the July heat, but it seems like he'll make it. I think he'll just resign. They *could* use the ISIS-K attack as a reason to step down (e.g., "[The deaths of servicemen weigh heavily on the president.]"), but I think they'll clear the news cycle first. They probably have a think tank getting a good story together for the best optics. Something that makes his absolute weakness appear to be a strength ("[He fought through his health issues and projected strength! His virtuous wife always by his side!]"). Should be a fun season closer. I'm only curious who Harris will appoint as VP. Appointing another female intersectional person would be hilarious, but I think they'll appoint a beta male like Julian Castro.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Aug 29 10:03:27
*yawn*
Rugian
Member
Sun Aug 29 10:30:31
We all agree at this point that he has dementia, right? Is anyone still denying that?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 29 12:15:21
vs the alternative: "If the Democrats could fight wars as well as they execute Election Fraud, we would have obliterated all of our many enemies throughout the World, and would have nothing to worry about!"

but Kamala going in is fine w/ me, let her succeed or fail before 2024 choices, as the fucking idiot cult party seems determined to make Fraud look competent & be their poster toddler so we need a solid alternative

i would guess even though Fox keeps putting Fraud on for whatever reason, they require the mentally-ill shitbag not to mention his election fraud theories? (it's what comments on constantly in his 'statements' thus would love to be talking about)
or maybe they just edit it out
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sun Aug 29 12:16:03
Could the the dementia make him pro-gun?!?!?!
Forwyn
Member
Sun Aug 29 14:02:46
"If the Democrats could fight wars as well as they execute Election Fraud, we would have obliterated all of our many enemies throughout the World, and would have nothing to worry about!"

LMAO gold
Cherub Cow
Member
Sun Aug 29 20:09:36
It's a solid jab :D
The DNC seems really great at putting together cabals to "fortify" elections, removing voter restrictions, and removing election accountability. They did a *lot* between 2016 and 2020. Four years of dumping lawyers, judges, and politicians into their uni-party dream.

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[Rugian]: "We all agree at this point that he has dementia, right? Is anyone still denying that?"

I don't know how anyone would deny it at this point. Twice in a row the DNC put forward shit candidates with the campaign promise of "At least it's not the other guy", so the cognitive dissonance barrier cannot be too large for DNC voters (it simply has to turn from, "He has no dementia!" to, "Yeah, he has dementia, but at least he's not Trump!"). The "stutter" lie has faded into the background as people have posted video comparisons of Biden 20 years ago (no "stutter") versus today (slow speech, weird pauses, forgotten words, incoherent rambles, etc.). And the average voter may not be able to understand the politics in the room, but they can recognize the look of a bunch of men in white coats monitoring a patient's mental health from a close-but-not-too-close distance.

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"i would guess even though Fox keeps putting Fraud on"

Biden has done Fox News interviews?
;)

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Normally, I'd think Harris would be fucked in a 2024 election, and I wouldn't imagine the DNC strategy would be to keep her involved (I'd expect a Biden resignation, Harris effectively appointing the new president, and Harris stepping down). But, they could easily go for the turkey on turd sandwiches. It would be a test of their uni-party powers to get one of the least popular 2020 DNC candidates *elected* rather than just appointed. Maybe they could have BLM riot for another year and blame Trump or racism or something, provoke a right-wing group into stealing a gallon of milk from a grocery store, and say that that right-wing group stole "democracy" by stealing that milk. It worked last time.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Aug 29 20:20:32
This place has some of the stupidest fucking posters.
Cherub Cow
Member
Sun Aug 29 22:12:36
Dukhat is always predictable with the drive-by Twitter insults, but he never has anything substantive to say. I think we know where he spends his time: probably reading Tweets by the uninformed masses and seeing discourse on Twitter and r/Politics where saying, "[Geeze, the GQP is just stupid! Cheeto cultists, am I right? Why don't these people just believe the corporate media like we do?]" is enough to get hundreds of upvotes. It must be painful to come to a place like UP where there isn't a reward system for groupthink one-liners and clap-backs.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Aug 29 22:21:27
i assume some of you will also like how this is one of the many anti-Biden article links posted on toddler Fraud's website:

"
ICYMI: “Biden is a ‘feckless, dementia-ridden piece of crap’: Mother of Marine killed in Kabul airport attack…”
"

...he's been in campaign mode for over 6 years straight

and

"
ICYMI: “Trump says Kabul airport explosion wouldn’t have happened if he were president”
"

& his cultists will believe it, he said so, thus it is so


"I would do the right things at the right times & not the wrong things!"

crowd: --hooray--... "lock her up..."
Cherub Cow
Member
Sun Aug 29 23:42:38
"Biden is a ‘feckless, dementia-ridden piece of crap"
Accurate.

"Trump says Kabul airport explosion wouldn’t have happened if he were president"
Accurate.

There's a reason that strong leadership is a deterrent. If international interests think that Trump will immediately attack them for bombing American citizens, then they won't bomb American citizens. If, on the other hand, a "dementia-ridden piece of crap" is muttering incoherently at the presidential podium and talking about his handlers openly (e.g., Biden frequently glazing over and wondering whether or not he's allowed to answer questions not on his cards), they'll see opportunity.

Now, for instance, is a good time for China to get provocative with Taiwan. Now, for instance, is a good time for North Korea to resume nuclear testing and missile testing. Biden is projecting weakness, which lets international interests control his actions. The only thing keeping international provocateurs in check right now is (perhaps) knowing that corporate DNC's war machine will activate if Biden's weaknesses are tested, but that's indirect and still means predictable targets of the war machine's choosing — which international interests don't worry about, since the list is clear: "Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran." Because Biden has no will of his own, his actions become entirely predictable — he will defer to the targets fed to him by the deep state. Trump, being a narcissist, would want it his way (his targets), which makes it more difficult to control his response on the international stage.

In short, Biden's dementia does in fact have costs. Puppet governments sound great until you realize that un-elected officials who surround the puppet have the power and have a profit motive.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 30 01:25:51
strong leadership? ugh...

anyway, for the record, my opinion of Trump is not from liberal media, I read his tweets and statements, I listened to him speak (which doesn’t seem true of his defenders)

for example, his ‘solid jab’ about election fraud isn’t about changing rules, or making voting easier, that’s not what he talks about... it’s ‘massive numbers of dead voters found’ (seemingly total madeup nonsense, couldn’t even figure out what he was misrepresenting), ‘xxx,xxx illegal ballots found’ (totally false representations), for at least two states noting large numbers of purges of voter rolls after the election asking why it wasn’t before election and that it proves he won (insanity)... when the purge -had- to be after the election as the purge was -because- they didn’t vote and hadn’t voted for x years (so this is only an indication against mass fraud as no one voted for them), and he still brings up that Georgia surveillance tape clip with a voiceover saying fraud is occurring... well GA released the full tape and said no, it doesn’t show fraud occurring and every election official in every county in the country could’ve watched it and exposed it if so and didn’t... just a drop in the bucket of his bullshit claims about fraud and none of it is defensible and soooooo much else he’s said and done

so no, not a funny joke to have convinced millions of gullible fools that massive voter fraud has been found all over when exactly zero has been
Hrothgar
Member
Mon Aug 30 17:17:57
I don't mind Republicans controlling stuff if they put forth good stoic leadership. Trump or anyone remotely like him in media and social behavior is NOT that leadership.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 30 21:35:07
yet they seem determined to stick w/ the piece of shit moron fraud... here's Fox having on Eric Trump for some reason:
http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1432519596439859204
(who is guaranteed to just promote his father as that's what their whole family is about)

what's so weird is Fox & most GQP treat him as the leader yet they hide/ignore 80% of what he talks about... none of them repeat any of those voter fraud claims as they -know- it's bullshit & just pretend he's not saying it & if asked just say some general comments about needing election integrity or allegations should be investigated

they are embarrassed to repeat what their leader claims yet determined to keep him as the leader... sure he wields control over a huge gullible cult but they only strengthen that grip & he exerts no responsibility at all in how he wields it & is so bad for the country

so fucked up
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Aug 30 22:10:46
We're getting to Gish Gallop levels of things that I could take apart one by one if I had a few hours, but this one stuck out as the most egregious:

"‘xxx,xxx illegal ballots found’ (totally false representations),"

That's actually true.
In Pennsylvania, when ballots were reviewed initially in November 2020, they did, in fact, find that a large number of ballots (millions by some estimates — potentially 1/3 of votes — hundreds of thousands by others) were invalid and were thus counted illegally when measured against the state's own protocols. But, when this evidence was taken before the ruling judge who would decide whether or not the evidence would be considered further in an investigation, the judge ruled that because **so many** ballots were illegally cast, that it would disenfranchise voters to throw out those ballots. Yeah. This actually happened and is in the judge's own statement. The judges who agreed gave slightly more nuanced opinions, but the argument was the same: throwing out all of those illegal ballots would disenfranchise voters.

To the judge's credit, his reasoning was that the illegally counted ballots should still be counted because the errors were minor and he *believed* that the state should honor illegally cast ballots because those ballots were *likely* cast in good faith. But, his reasoning did not reflect the election laws in Pennsylvania. Those ballots were, in fact, illegally counted by the state of Pennsylvania. These ballots held technical issues such as a too-late postmark, unlawful extensions, multiple bubbles cast and not correctly marked out but counted anyways, invalid signatures ignored, incorrect or false address on file, ballots with no proof of identification, etc. One of the only successes that the lawsuits had in Pennsylvania was regarding the state illegally granting another extension to voters who did not prove their identity in mail-in ballots. A few thousand ballots were supposedly set aside for that specific error. So we can talk about whether or not illegal ballots *should* be counted, but there were in fact illegal ballots counted.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Aug 30 22:21:04
[Hrothgar]: "I don't mind Republicans controlling stuff if they put forth good stoic leadership. Trump or anyone remotely like him in media and social behavior is NOT that leadership."

A sad reality that tribalists ignore is basic Machiavellian teachings: even a narcissist like Trump can be considered a strong leader. The question is not how virtuous that leader is or whether that leader is the embodiment of all things good — it's a question of whether or not that leader can actually lead people. Trump — hate him or not — had enough of a presence that the international scene was unwilling to challenge him with provocation. People fear punishment, and Trump benefited from that external perception.

Biden — having dementia and being a puppet — is far easier to challenge. People do not fear Biden. At best, people fear the corporate DNC war machine that he represents, but Biden has to okay that war machine, which means delay, inaction, and weakness. People know that Biden's handlers have to convince and control his foggy brain before action is taken.

We can pretend that these perceptions are not real and hide in tribalist reality denial, but internationally this is plain as day.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Aug 30 23:05:13
Cherub cow who references mainly fucktard facebook memes as his information sources accuses others of having no substance. Fucking moron,
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 30 23:10:39
"That's actually true"

no no... please don't ever say that about a Trump claim, they are axiomatically false... sorry, my fault for cutting corners... i was referring to this 100% false claim by an ex-'president':

“168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots)” one of his many false claims about what the AZ audit allegedly found... they didn't say that at all, you can google the truth, it was about a printing alignment issue, absolutely no claim of illegal or unofficial

feel free to hunt down a single trustworthy source saying otherwise, yet an ex-president claiming it (& dozens of total other bullshit claims)

he obviously willfully misled about it (& every other claim he's been making regularly since November)

TOTALLY ridiculously unacceptable
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 30 23:32:49
I don’t know about the PA issue you’re citing, I don’t recall Trump ever mentioning, so if your portrayal accurate then more proof of his incompetence in going for crazy no source made-up bullshit

although I doubt I would support chucking 1/3rd of votes over what I assume was not the voters fault in most cases (again, I have no familiarity w/ your cited case... just as Trump knows nothing about it, though would if he was competently arguing his cause and was not an unfit moron fraud liar)
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Aug 30 23:35:34
"Cherub cow who references mainly fucktard facebook memes as his information sources accuses others of having no substance. Fucking moron,"

I have never had a personal Facebook account in Facebook's entire history — only two fake accounts that I abandoned a decade ago. How about you?

And feel free to post substance then, you eternal coward :)

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[tw]: "no no... please don't ever say that about a Trump claim, they are axiomatically false.."

Your claim that they are false by rule is categorically false and shows a terrible graveyard spiral of tribalist thought on your part. If you cannot evaluate evidence, then you will be doomed to be led by the nose by corporate DNC propaganda apparatuses such as CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, The Guardian, and the Twitter propagandists. If you cannot see the truth in things that Trump has said — if you refuse to see them at all even when he is right — then you refuse your own consciousness.

As for the Arizona audit, the DNC is directing a massive misinformation campaign regarding the audit right now (Arizona's own election committee, for instance, has been lying outright on their Twitter feed for weeks), so the dust needs to settle before any claim can reasonably be called "false". And we do know, for instance, that Arizona cut corners on ballot printing and may not have used the correct paper in some of their ballots. The question is only scale.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Aug 30 23:38:59
"(again, I have no familiarity w/ your cited case... just as Trump knows nothing about it, though would if he was competently arguing his cause and was not an unfit moron fraud liar)"

Trump was looking at this same information, he just portrayed the numbers on the upper estimates rather than the reasonable estimates. He did not lie. Calling him a "fraud liar" does not dissolve the fact that these things did in fact happen and were litigated publicly in the public record of facts where these numbers were cited by both parties of the case in factual records (Facts). If the cognitive dissonance is so out of control that you cannot see that Trump was not just making things up, then you may want to read the actual court documents rather than just taking some CNN propagandist's word for it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 30 23:57:48
my calling it axiomatically false just due to the ridiculous rate at which he spews made up bullshit

“so the dust needs to settle before any claim can reasonably be called "false"“

it doesn’t actually in this case, he was referring to specific info the AZ team put out and just completely misrepresenting it


“Trump was looking at this same information, he just portrayed the numbers on the upper estimates rather than the reasonable estimates. He did not lie“

yes he did lie, and no he’s not looking at the same information as didn’t cite PA at all... he doesn’t look at information at all

this feels like Forwyn on the FBI... you have issues with the election, Trump says CONSTANT false claims and you find him to be on your team even though you don’t cite any of the same things... (Forwyn hates the FBI, Trump made constant false smears unrelated to Forwyn issues, yet Forwyn seemed to find it acceptable)

I don’t understand how anyone can find his bullshit acceptable

Trump is saying over and over the mass voter fraud -found- already, he’s not saying ‘wait for the results’, thus it is false... hundreds of false claims... hundreds. Not hyperbole.

nhill
Member
Tue Aug 31 00:14:39
Dukhat is insane, lmao. Just drive-through shit-posting while contributing nothing. I assume that's how he goes through life.

I don't agree with Cherub Cow's conclusions (let's be honest, CC, you give the DNC too much credit) but at least he/she/it/they/king/kang/queen/god/goddess provides some meat to chew.

And Sleepy Joe certainly does make a lot of people that dislike Trump, myself included (Trump is an idiot when it comes to the environment & socialized policies like minimum wage), it makes many of us miss having a president that had a semblance of character.

I'm neither right or left wing, I'd be happy to have Obama back at this point.

Something with a pulse, please. Dukhat's multi is correct, Joe is going to drive us right back into Donald's tiny hands.
nhill
Member
Tue Aug 31 00:16:00
To be clear: Donald Trump's character is reprehensible and repugnant and he would have done just as bad of job as Joe, maybe even worse.

But at least it would have been entertaining.
KreeL
Special Member
Sun Sep 05 13:39:54
Only one way to be sure here:

Have mental evaluations of each candidate for President performed on live TV before they are allowed to campaign.
KreeL
Special Member
Sun Sep 05 14:08:09
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Had this been in effect it would have eliminated babybush and humpytrumpy and our planet would have been far better off right now.
Habebe
Member
Sun Sep 05 14:20:18
According to I think a Harris poll if the election were today (a few daud ago) Trump in the poll put did Biden, probably more than what the poll even indicates probably considering Trump routinely out performs polls.
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