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murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 03:52:46
An Afghan interpreter described his desperate battle to get his family out alive as he hid in Kabul.

"I kept thinking, after everything I did for the Americans. After all my hard work and risking my life, now this is what happens to my family?"

http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1430964538594275335

murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 03:55:07

These people have convinced themselves that they were doing us a favor rather than the other way around. We were providing them with security and a better life ... and we were paying them for the privilege.

I guess there's some lesson to be learned here about feeding strays.

Seb
Member
Sat Aug 28 04:29:14
Murder:
Wekl then, next time you need locals to achieve a mission, you won't get their support.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Aug 28 04:40:44
lol poor murder got so destroyed that he needed to make another thread about this to advertise him doubling down.



Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Aug 28 04:58:25
Thank good that there is no Cuban American organization that for years have been lobbying and begging the US government to overthrow the Castro regime, while hordes of cubans have been floating over to the USA on jetsam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXBvNXj0zyY

Go to 1:10. What does her sign say?

USA HELP MY PEOPLE IN CUBA!

Instead of picking up a gun and fighting they abandoned their people and are now outside the white house protesting.

This is the danger of picking up trash that has washed up on the beaches.
murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 05:07:39

"Wekl then, next time you need locals to achieve a mission, you won't get their support."

Aside from that being nonsense because money and self-interest always rule the day ... what mission would that be?

murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 05:08:27

"lol poor murder got so destroyed that he needed to make another thread about this to advertise him doubling down."

Seek help.
murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 05:09:55

"Thank good that there is no Cuban American organization that for years have been lobbying and begging the US government to overthrow the Castro regime ..."

Which of course has nothing to do with me. But go on. :o)

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Aug 28 05:23:52
You are so ashamed that you have disassociated yourself from your father's side of the family. Sad!
murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 05:31:21

We had nothing to do with any lobbying organization.

It may come as a surprise, but every time some Cuban sets up an organization, everyone else isn't required to join. lol :o)

I
murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 05:32:20

There were a LOT of organizations.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Aug 28 05:53:26
Oh.. so, there is a diversity of opinions in the Cuban community? What about the Afghans?
murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 06:11:00

Some favor the Taliban and some want to come to America?

I don't know about any diversity of opinion among Afghans, nor do I care.
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 28 07:23:59
Afghanistan has literally been in a state of civil war since the 1970s.

But murder: "tHeY dIdN't FiGhT hArD eNoUgH fOr ThEmSeLvEs"

Maybe those numerous places that surrendered to the Taliban simply did a rational assessment where they realized they had no organized defenses and could remember what happened to cities and towns that had attempted to resist in the past.

To put things into perspective, the majority of Kabul is less than 30 years old, because during the last civil war the over half of the city was bombarded out of existence.

It's easy to be an armchair Rambo from the comfort of your American (re: luxurious) home, but maybe try to appreciate that Afghans HAVE been fighting, for as long as we've been alive.
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 28 07:39:01
Something like 500,000-2,000,000 Afghan civilians were killed during the Soviet-Afghan War.

God knows how many people were killed during the civil wars of the 90s.

47,000 civilians and at least 66,000 military/police forces have been killed since 2001 (that's, what, 0.3% of the population? Equal to 1.1 million Americans).

Give these guys a break already.
murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 10:43:31

"Maybe those numerous places that surrendered to the Taliban simply did a rational assessment where they realized they had no organized defenses and could remember what happened to cities and towns that had attempted to resist in the past."

I'm not sure where we disagree. They had no organized defense because they wouldn't fight. They made a "rational" decision to live under Taliban rule? OK.

But if everyone who wants out of Afghanistan now had simply picked up a rifle and fired at the Taliban rabble, the Taliban would have been ground to dust.

We're not talking about 75,000 US ground troops with air support and precision guided munitions. These are dumb guys with dumb weapons firing dumb munitions. They have no means of resupply except what they can steal or are gifted as they move around.

We saw the exact same thing happen in Iraq when ISIS forces were capturing village after village. The media attempted to portray them as some fearsome fighting force as Iraqi soldiers surrendered weapons we provided them ...

http://www...nd-tanks-in-ramadi-from-i.html


The exact same thing. It wasn't because ISIS was a fearsome force. It was many of those soldiers and the tribes they were from simply preferred ISIS rule and invited them in. That's how they "captured" so much territory.

The Taliban took most of Afghanistan with barely any resistance for the exact same reason.

Pillz
Member
Sat Aug 28 17:44:40
Rugian has redoubled his interest is Islamic culture and language, now that there is a government in Kabul he can support
Y2A
Member
Sat Aug 28 18:01:46
"We were providing them with security and a better life ... and we were paying them for the privilege."

lol we never gave a shit about the afghans. their "security" was only relevant insofar as the empire's interest in the region was concerned. I think you may be suffering from white man's burden syndrome a bit no?

Afghan security forces:
67,558–70,558+ killed[47][48]
United States: 2,420
murder
Member
Sat Aug 28 20:08:04

"lol we never gave a shit about the afghans."

I didn't say or imply that we did.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Aug 29 06:28:13
Murder is all 7 kinds of stupid. Remember a few a years back the MAGA hat guy at the baseball game, seemingly snatching a ball from a little girls hands? Even after all the fact came out, and the girls family said he gave her the ball and was nothing but nice, murder couldn’t bear himself to adjust to the new information. I still remember that as the moment all doubts were removed, he is comically stupid and hateful.
murder
Member
Tue Aug 31 05:02:16

lol :o)

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