Utopia Talk / Politics / Texas launches 2020 election audit

murder Member	Sat Sep 25 10:05:00 But only in 4 counties. ======================================== Texas secretary of state’s office auditing four counties’ 2020 elections months after an official called the statewide process “smooth and secure” The agency did not explain why it was auditing elections in Collin, Dallas, Harris and Tarrant counties. Its announcement came hours after former President Donald Trump asked that an election audit bill be added to a special legislative session agenda. Read the rest here ... http://www.../23/texas-2020-election-audit/
murder Member	Sat Sep 25 10:06:45 Trump and the Republican Party are conducting a full scale campaign to undermine confidence in our election systems and the legitimacy of our government ... and they are using taxpayer dollars to do it.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sat Sep 25 12:06:19 Can you imagine Republican outrage if Al Gore or Hilary Clinton were demanding "audits" in Sept/Oct of the next year?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 12:19:49 and any anomalies/issues are just presumed to be fraud by Democrats and there will always be issues so works out nice for team cult
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 25 12:28:06 murder Member Sat Sep 25 10:06:45 "Trump and the Republican Party are conducting a full scale campaign to undermine confidence in our election systems and the legitimacy of our government ... and they are using taxpayer dollars to do it." "Following the 2000 election, only 18% of Democrats believed Bush won fair and square." http://mob...am2/status/1391500121586679814 "2/3 of Dems also believe, at least as of 2018, that Hillary won in 2016 but Russian hackers invaded voting machines and switched her votes to Trump" http://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1391738476807208960
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 12:28:58 fraud boy happy to prove my point... Trump on OAN happy to claim every single ballot issue in AZ audit was cheating & done by Dems...(when they demonstrated 0 of such & some easily could've been proven to be fraud if it was, so probably were confirmed not to be) http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1441787931107237888
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 12:31:43 "Following the 2000 election, only 18% of Democrats believed Bush won fair and square." when they had courts stop a recount where election was decided by <1000 votes? and how long did Gore not concede & campaign that it was rigged/stolen & that elections can't be trusted? and how long did Hillary not concede & campaign that it was rigged/stolen & that elections can't be trusted?
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 25 13:08:23 tumbleweed "Clinton won't rule out challenging legitimacy of 2016 election September 18, 2017" https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/18/hillary-clinton-trump-challenge-2016-election-legitimacy-242848 "Hillary Clinton on Trump’s Election: “There Are Lots of Questions About Its Legitimacy” November 17, 2017" http://www...uestions-about-its-legitimacy/ "'You can have the election stolen from you,' Hillary Clinton warns 2020 Democrats May 6, 2019" http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/ "Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’ September 26, 2019" http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html "Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’ October 9, 2020" http://www.yahoo.com/now/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 25 13:11:54 Basically, TWs argument will be to point out the useless differences and call it "totally different", yadda yadda no one can compare with Trump yadda yadda unfit fraud.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 14:12:19 you know what's a difference? totally made-up false claims also she conceded the next day that first article the reporter is pressing her to question election, especially if hypothetically deeper Russian interference revealed... so no matter what hypothetical situation, she should never question it? & on 'stolen' she's specifically talking of misinformation spread (which is real, & constant, & you all agree just not on which side worse)... she's not claiming mass fraud in the system (which is not demonstrated at all, despite the 1000s of claims by Trump that it has been) a sampling of the 1000s: “REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” "Breaking News! Massive numbers of dead people "voted" in the 2020 Presidential Election, far greater than anyone has known or seen before" (he said that in May 2021... i know there were dead voter list claims in ~Dec 2020 (that didn't hold up to any scrutiny), didn't see a thing in May (that also wouldn't hold up to scrutiny) ... & its had months to hold up to that scrutiny so self-evidently did not if it ever existed which there is no reason to believe it did as this fucking fraud is such a fucking liar... which is nuts...) he claimed that the AZ audit team had claimed "168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots)" at a hearing... they had not just recently: "The evidence on determinative and wide-ranging Election Fraud is staggering." is that accurate at all? he has repeatedly declared himself winner of various states he lost & of the election... is that accurate? & of course has never conceded is that comparable to Hillary? really? (not to mention he has a cult who believes & parrots what he says... he's the first to brag of his zombie crowd sizes... would Hillary draw a crowd?)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 14:38:31 and if you claim Russia Russia Russia was nonsense... (or started by Hillary, as Fox continues to push even recently... totally FALSELY)... both sides were confused (& remain confused) by Trump's Russia love... once O'Reilly noted to him that Putin a killer (O'Reilly disapproving of being a killer...), but Trump not going w/ the 'yeah, having others killed is wrong', instead defending Putin & w/ having nothing but praise for Putin (as he did 100% of the time) and when Trump clearly unfitly sided w/ Putin in Helsinki over our own people (which he know admits to doing), R's just had to accept his clearly false, childishly stupid excuse of saying a word wrong as they knew that's the best they'd get from him
kargen Member	Sat Sep 25 14:41:21 "Trump and the Republican Party are conducting a full scale campaign to undermine confidence in our election systems and the legitimacy of our government ... and they are using taxpayer dollars to do it." Maybe they are looking to restore our confidence? If you believe there was no fraud then you should welcome the audit. It will show what you believe to be true and we can all go on to the next election safe and secure in knowing the Democrats have perfected fixing elections beyond detection!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 16:13:14 "Maybe they are looking to restore our confidence?" not true of Trump... you'd be a fucking lunatic to think he will accept anything but 'mass fraud found' as the results... let his dozens/hundreds of claims of it being found already be my evidence, when it still remains at zero & if Trump keeps spewing it, the cult will continue to believe it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 16:21:16 "Massive fraud was found in the Arizona Forensic Audit, sometimes referred to as “Fraudit.” The numbers are Election Changing!" ~ guess who it should be hard to guess, if it was accurate also fuckhead embracing the "Fraudit" term... trying to rebrand it like he did 'fake news' & 'big lie' not only was mass fraud not established, no reason to presume that if any there that it was for Biden over Trump
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 25 16:33:23 Tw, The end result isnthe problem though, Yes? The end result being people not trusting elections. Trump didn't concede and was more litigious. HRC made up Russia-gate and labels everyone a double agent, either way people didn't trust the election.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 16:58:30 Russia interference did happen, i don't know of Hillary simply declaring Russia tampered w/ machines & changed votes (which are the types of claims Fraud does regularly) saying the election results themselves are completely fraudulent is something very different (& claiming various agencies were in on it to smear multiple aspects of our country) he's not just 'being litigious', he's claiming mass fraud over & over (w/ NONE established)... he barely had any knowledge of the legal claims made (as they typically weren't about fraud, so didn't care) also his sway is so much bigger than Hillary or anyone else... heaps of idiots trust him for some weird reason when his total bullshit couldn't be more obvious
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 17:11:53 also, even if somehow finding it equivalent Trump is -continuing- to do it currently & will continue forever... so have a problem with it
kargen Member	Sat Sep 25 17:44:05 "Russia interference did happen," They put some memes on Facebook. The press did worse in 2020.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 18:45:52 will you be disgusted if Trump is the 2024 nominee? (he's having a rally in Georgia tonight, btw... sure to be packed w/ his always accurate info)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 25 21:18:08 there are clips of him talking about the border to chants of ‘build the wall’... sounds familiar and he’s dusted off this one again... http://twitter.com/acyn/status/1441931457862139904?s=21 mental illness
murder Member	Sat Sep 25 22:40:41 "Maybe they are looking to restore our confidence? If you believe there was no fraud then you should welcome the audit. It will show what you believe to be true and we can all go on to the next election safe and secure in knowing the Democrats have perfected fixing elections beyond detection!" And then Republicans should turn over all their electronic devices and passwords to prove that this isn't all a conspiracy to topple the US government and replace it with a Trump led dictatorship. If Republicans really aren't plotting to topple the government and install Trump as dictator, they should welcome the investigation and comply fully.
murder Member	Sat Sep 25 22:42:27 "HRC made up Russia-gate" Trump is a Russian asset. That's why he's still fighting so hard to hide his financial records.
kargen Member	Mon Sep 27 17:42:11 "And then Republicans should turn over all their electronic devices and passwords to prove that this isn't all a conspiracy to topple the US government and replace it with a Trump led dictatorship" Why just Republicans? And not even a bit relevant. Votes are recounted and audited all the time for all kinds of reasons. Should be done in the off year of every election cycle whether an audit is asked for or not just to keep the process sharp. People keep saying didn't find enough discrepancies to change the outcome not that there were no discrepancies. This last one in Arizona more votes actually went President Biden's way. So because of the audit some people out there had their votes counted as they cast them. That is a good thing. The audit showed there were discrepancies. Now we can examine why and try to do better with the next election.
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 27 18:39:11 ITT: MUHHHHHHHH RUSSIAAAAAAAAAA
murder Member	Mon Sep 27 19:22:58 "And not even a bit relevant. Votes are recounted and audited all the time for all kinds of reasons. Should be done in the off year of every election cycle whether an audit is asked for or not just to keep the process sharp." No, elections are not re-audited all the time for all kinds of reasons. "People keep saying didn't find enough discrepancies to change the outcome not that there were no discrepancies." Nothing has no discrepancies. Nothing in the world. "So because of the audit some people out there had their votes counted as they cast them. That is a good thing." No it's not. Spending 10 months sowing doubt in the integrity of the people in charge of the electoral process is not good ... unless you're into that sort of thing. And of course they are not done. They are just getting started. "The audit showed there were discrepancies. Now we can examine why and try to do better with the next election." There are always discrepancies. Discrepancies aren't an issue. Discrepancies would roughly even out because discrepancies don't have a rooting interest. What Republicans are alleging is corruption and fraud. There was no corruption. There was no fraud. So the only logical course of action is to continue to allege it and expand the search for it as is being done. If Biden had a nut he would take Republicans at their word and send the Feds in to run elections in all these red states with unreliable election systems.
kargen Member	Mon Sep 27 19:39:24 "Spending 10 months sowing doubt in the integrity of the people in charge of the electoral process is not good ... unless you're into that sort of thing." I agree and an audit can put that to rest.
murder Member	Mon Sep 27 20:02:17 Clearly. That's why they are doing more of it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 27 23:17:51 "an audit can put that to rest" yeah, did it? the AZ audit found no fraud, just recommended more auditing (on some things it seems like they should've been able to confirm themselves) & of course, Trump claims it did find massive fraud.... & that he 'won' the audit... 'at a level you wouldn't believe'...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 27 23:18:38 and did the GA audits that already happened satisfy the cult in any way?
roland Member	Tue Sep 28 09:39:51 So they want to lose again
murder Member	Tue Sep 28 13:01:43 "If Biden had a nut he would take Republicans at their word and send the Feds in to run elections in all these red states with unreliable election systems." I think I like my own idea. Any state that expresses doubts that they can conduct free and fair elections should have their elections run by the feds. I bet all this bullshit from the GOP disappears in a nano-second.
murder Member	Tue Sep 28 13:02:32 "So they want to lose again" They'll get their chance in '22 and '24. ;o)
Forwyn Member	Wed Sep 29 00:42:33 I mean, its pretty fucking easy to satisfy a supermajority of the electorate. IDs that are easy (and free) to obtain, even in vaunted voter repression hellhole horror stories like Georgia. Your fanatical far right crazies might ask for in-person voting and/or paper ballots. I know. Send in the Feds. Crush the resistance.
murder Member	Wed Sep 29 09:23:22 That's all exactly as reasonable as a gun registry.
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