Utopia Talk / Politics / Alec Baldwin

Y2A Member	Thu Oct 21 22:24:11 Just killed a guy, not kidding.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 21 22:38:40 a woman
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Oct 21 22:43:02 article about it: http://www...es-on-set-of-alec-baldwin-film someone's deal w/ the devil continues
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 21 23:07:11 Cut to: tw. How is this trumps fault?
smart dude Member	Thu Oct 21 23:46:44 LOL literally nobody brought up Trump except Obaminated, who is obviously confused about the reference.
State Department Member	Fri Oct 22 00:37:46 "Some things in here don't react well to bullets."
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 22 02:07:20 It was obviously a setup. If the police would investigate who loaded the gun I would not be suprised if they found out that it was a Trump supporter who did it. Yes, it was a Trump supporter who loaded the gun with purpose that Baldwin would kill/injure someone and end up in jail. Baldwin made fun of and ridiculed Trump many times and Trump's fans couldn't take it anymore.
Average Ameriacn Member	Fri Oct 22 02:11:11 From communist to murderer!
Habebe Member	Fri Oct 22 02:49:28 Imagine that, liberal actor doesnt know gun safety.
murder Member	Fri Oct 22 08:02:50 He killed a (wo)man just to watch him/her die.
murder Member	Fri Oct 22 08:10:27 "Imagine that, liberal actor doesnt know gun safety." Apparently no one involved did. You never fire a weapon in someone's direction unless you intend to kill them. I don't care if the gun is a prop gun loaded with blanks. You don't position anyone in front of a gun that is being fired. I don't care if the gun is a prop gun loaded with blanks. You don't witness that setup without objecting. I don't care if you're the makeup guy. Everyone involved should have objected to to the way the shoot was set up. This is just stupidity run amok.
Habebe Member	Fri Oct 22 08:36:22 ^Yup, gun safety 101.
Dukhat Member	Fri Oct 22 08:36:53 From BaldWIN to BaldLOSE
smart dude Member	Fri Oct 22 08:42:13 Not the first time this has happened. Brandon Lee is the obvious example. Heads will roll. It's the prop dept's to make sure the gun is prepared properly, and the one in charge here will definitely get fired. Legally, maybe no one will be charged criminally (waivers, risky job, etc) and will become a civil/workmans comp issue. As far as who is ultimately responsible for this fuckup, ordinarily the actor wouldn't be culpable but apparently Baldwin is also a "producer" so that might be bad for him. The director may not work again. In Hollywood they use real guns and "real" bullets. They always have. The bullets are either dummies or blanks, but in either case they start as fully functional rounds and someone does surgery on them to disable them in some way. Sometimes some nincompoop fucks up and people die, depending on the nature of the shot.
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 08:42:42 Jack Ryan is just an analyst, he doesn't know how to use a gun in the field!
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 08:45:26 A B C ALWAYS BE Checking your firearm to see if its loaded
smart dude Member	Fri Oct 22 08:45:34 "Everyone involved should have objected to to the way the shoot was set up" Hollywood is so heavily unionized that it might even be a contract violation for a "makeup guy" to even open his mouth about something unrelated to makeup. Using a real gun a pointing it at the camera (and cjnemetographer)
smart dude Member	Fri Oct 22 08:48:13 ...is risky but if people do their jobs it's not as ridiculous as it sounds. These aren't children. "A B C" If they were dummies then there's no realistic way for him to check. He assumed some overpayed jackass actually did his job. True for acting as well as 1,000 other jobs where peoples lives may theoretically be at risk.
Habebe Member	Fri Oct 22 08:50:21 ********Just in from CNN******* Alt-right and white supremacist actor Alec Baldwin murders a child dressed as vigilante.
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 08:54:46 Smart dude On the one hand, I do appreciate the legitimate industry insights. On the other hand, you may have this confused if you think this thread is going to be dedicated to a serious discussion.
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 08:55:18 You know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes not being in prison for homicide to sell real estate.
murder Member	Fri Oct 22 09:20:06 "If they were dummies then there's no realistic way for him to check." Blanks or dummies should all be clearly marked as such. But it doesn't matter. You don't point guns at people unless you mean to do them harm. You can set up a camera and then move people the fuck out of the way if you absolutely need to have that head on shot.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 22 09:26:27 Lol libs and guns "Everyone involved should have objected to to the way the shoot was set up." Everyone involved is a far left arts major who wets themselves at the thought of guns. I doubt a single one of them knows even the basics.
smart dude Member	Fri Oct 22 09:43:12 "You can set up a camera and then move people the fuck out of the way if you absolutely need to have that head on shot." It's Hollywood. There's guns, there's explosions, there's car chases. It's not exactly real but it isnt magic either. If you want safety, maybe just stay home and jack off to the peasant girl down the alley like they did for entertsinmebt back in the middle ages or whatever the fuck they did. Someone high on coke or booze fucked up. Who cares.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 22 09:52:30 And hired based on perceived oppression status rather than competence. Lol.
Habebe Member	Fri Oct 22 10:02:47 http://intersectionalityscore.com/ Actual job application.
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 10:11:19 "Your intersectionality score: 5 You are more privileged than 97% of others. Please give more to those less fortunate." :(
Y2A Member	Fri Oct 22 10:22:14 Your intersectionality score: 45 You are more privileged than 31% of others. Please give more to those less fortunate.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Oct 22 12:06:01 The guy seems pretty traumatized about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7cIhBFb2NY
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 12:16:11 You mean the professional actor with a public relations team seems pretty traumatized about it?
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Oct 22 12:30:12 Let's be honest he's not that good of an actor
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 22 12:37:50 "Let's be honest he's not that good of an actor" Shots fired!!! Rofl.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 22 14:25:24 i'm willing to believe he was legitimately upset at just accidentally killing a woman ----------- "I hope reporters are reviewing the social media posts of the shooter. Every angle of this tragedy must be investigated. His mental state, his lack of safety training, his history with women - we must be thorough in reviewing this needless killing." ~ Richard Grenell (one of the pieces of shit that Fraud appointed as our Director of National Intelligence)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 22 14:40:11 "Dear @jack [Twitter owner] let Trump back on. We need Alec Baldwin tweets." ~ JD Vance, running for Senator
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 17:57:39 The plot thickens: "Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ camera crew walked off the set in protest before the fatal shooting OCT. 22, 2021 UPDATED 1:58 PM PT Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions. The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints of long hours and getting their paychecks, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment." Someone, somewhere, had motive here.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 22 18:15:22 a Trump supporter scab armorer
Habebe Member	Fri Oct 22 18:28:35 "His mental state, his lack of safety training, his history with women - we must be thorough in reviewing this needless killing." ~ Richard Grenell (one of the pieces of shit that Fraud appointed as our Director of National Intelligence)" What's the old saying? Do not shoot the arrow that will be used against you. IDK who Richard grennel is other than your post, but isnt he kust being woke?
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 22 18:32:36 Don't feed him, habebe.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 22 19:04:14 he's being an asshole... zero professionalism is an extremely common trait of the Trump political entourage, and signs suggest they are only growing in influence in the cult party the two leading candidates in that Senate race are Josh Mandel (an even bigger cult asshole than Vance) & Vance... who wishes Trump to be back on Twitter to hear his zingers on a guy who just accidentally killed a woman (very Senatorial behavior)... plus of course, everyone knows that's what piece of shit Trump would do... it -should- embarrass R's, now that diseased party/cult seeks it
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 22 19:18:12 but not trying to derail thread :p i don't believe any updates other than that worker thing Rugian posted
murder Member	Fri Oct 22 20:04:12 ----------- "I hope reporters are reviewing the social media posts of the shooter. Every angle of this tragedy must be investigated. His mental state, his lack of safety training, his history with women - we must be thorough in reviewing this needless killing." ~ Richard Grenell (one of the pieces of shit that Fraud appointed as our Director of National Intelligence) ------------- The asshole is not wrong.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Oct 22 21:33:22 maybe... if it had happened in a trailer and not on set it's obviously not a serious post (especially clear if you're familiar w/ his past behavior... the standard childish assholeishness to be expected from a Trump pick/associate)
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Oct 22 22:35:25 Rumor has it (literally, this is word of mouth rumor from someone I know in the relevant union) that 11 hours prior to the shot ringing out, the union set crew had walked out. The temps/scabs would have been the ones setting up the gun for the actor, and handing it to him.
nhill Member	Fri Oct 22 22:36:41 Rugian posted that 5 hours ago.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 23 00:56:17 " An assistant director unwittingly handed Alec Baldwin a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show “Cold gun,” the assistant director announced, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court. Instead, the gun was loaded with live rounds, and when Baldwin pulled the trigger Thursday on the set of a Western, he killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her, was wounded, the records said. ... The gun was one of three that the film’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez, had set on a cart outside the wooden structure where a scene was being acted, according to the records. Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application. ... " http://apn...d83890a289bb9ae358f406cd3cbee9 i haven't noticed any link to the source document
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Oct 23 01:15:40 Why did they even have live rounds on a set?
Average Ameriacn Member	Sat Oct 23 01:46:25 Because this is America!!
Pillz Member	Sat Oct 23 05:25:32 Yeah why even have them? Just begging for an accident. Hannah Gutierrez is either incompetent or intentionally placed a gun loaded with live rounds next to those with blanks to induce an accident. And the assistant director was negligent for not verifying the state of the weapon (or having someone do it for him) before handing if off on set.
Forwyn Member	Sat Oct 23 08:27:54 "maybe... if it had happened in a trailer and not on set" Irrelevant. He pointed a gun at and pulled the trigger on the fucking cinematographer. Not on a fellow actor while filming a scene.
murder Member	Sat Oct 23 08:53:38 The fact that they had one or more incidents before means that someone and maybe multiple people should be going to jail.
murder Member	Sat Oct 23 08:58:39 "it's obviously not a serious post" OK ... then he's unseriously correct. You can't absolve negligence because hey, accidents happen. Negligence is not an accident. Not only should every single person handling the gun make sure that it is safe and unloaded or properly loaded, but the people in charge have a responsibility that everyone involved has training to handle weapons safely and to make sure that they can easily identify if what they are being given to use in a scene is the appropriate ammo. Gun accidents happen when people who don't respect guns carelessly play with them.
Average Ameriacn Member	Sat Oct 23 08:59:06 What has Trump said about this murder? Can anybody read his Truth Social messages?
smart dude Member	Sat Oct 23 09:01:10 Alec Baldwin is objectively one of the best actors in the business. You don't like his politics? Fine, nobody gives a shit. Every gun safety 101 shit you ever learned does not apply to a film set. Sets are dangerous and guns don't even rank in the top 10 biggest threats. Some retard, maybe a "liberal arts" major (more likely cokehead), fucked up. It was the goddam cinematographer. If ANYONE knew that a fucking GUN was being pointed in her direction for the shot, it was HER. She knew it. What the fuck do you think she signed up to do? The shot was fucking storyboarded and planned out MONTHS before it was filmed FFS. But yes, lol, ABC, Always Be shooting your Crewmates. I'm not losing any sleep.
murder Member	Sat Oct 23 09:15:46 "Every gun safety 101 shit you ever learned does not apply to a film set." Yes it does. What you mean is that they choose to disregard gun safety. "Some retard, maybe a "liberal arts" major (more likely cokehead), fucked up." Several of them did. And one of those cokeheads was the guy who fired the weapon without checking it first. "It was the goddam cinematographer. If ANYONE knew that a fucking GUN was being pointed in her direction for the shot, it was HER. She knew it. What the fuck do you think she signed up to do? The shot was fucking storyboarded and planned out MONTHS before it was filmed FFS." Fine. Prosecute her too.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 23 10:09:50 There's a thread by someone who is regularly an armourer on film sets going around with the following key points. There's a lot of gun safety processes and procedures. It is rare that a real gun (prop guns don't fire anything) is pointed at anyone, but most often when it is, it's the camera. Pretty much any other shot requiring a gun with blanks to appear to be pointed at someone can be achieved without actually doing so by clever photography. Live rounds should never be used. For this to happen requires multiple failures, so likely lots of negligence. Most likely 1st assistant director, safety, and the armourer.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Oct 23 11:08:19 Cnn article says there were 2 negligent discharges last week. Crew walked off the set bc safety.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 23 12:02:21 "You can't absolve negligence because hey, accidents happen" i didn't say Baldwin's absolved of negligence, the Grenell post obviously wasn't about negligence... unless some hint of deception in the stories no reason to examine Alec Baldwin's social media posts & history w/ women, he was being a snarky dick (as he always has been)
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 23 12:02:31 Odds are Alec was under the impression it was not loaded or whatever, on tv I heard the claim was he was specifically told it was an unloaded weapon , IDK sounds like what you tell your lawyer, right. Bottom line, he pointed a gun at someone and killed them, literally the FIRST rule of gun safety is to treat every gun as if it is loaded. But yes plenty of blame to go around down the chain.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 23 12:15:49 Alec being told it was a "cold gun" (safe) is someone's account to police... plus there's no need to ever have a live round, so i'm quite certain Baldwin thought it was safe & shooting into the camera seems the most likely scenario (running the camera is part of the dead woman's job), so not sure he can be blamed for aiming gun (if that was the scene... haven't heard any description of what was occurring) but if he was joking around then he could have problems (though i suspect it's the former scenario)
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 23 12:54:17 "so i'm quite certain Baldwin thought it was safe" I honestly beleive that myself.The fact is he was lax and negligent.Along with the others. If he followed rule number one in gun safety there wouldnt be a problem.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 23 13:29:12 The "master armorer" was a womyn. Lol.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 23 13:45:28 "The fact is he was lax and negligent" not if the scene was to fire into camera like: http://ak....-and-aiming-at-the-camera.webm
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 23 14:10:30 Absolutley if his job was to fire at the camera. He pulled the trigger, that makes him guilty. Anyone who grew up around guns knows from when your a kid, treat it like a loaded gun, he did not. Yes there are others to blame, but that doesn't excuse he didnt follow basic safety precautions.
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 23 14:34:12 I should point out Im not saying he legally guilty, odds are he will walk.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 23 14:42:45 if he was “negligent” that’s the same as guilty in civil court (if family sues)... it certainly doesn’t seem confirmed at this point
Seb Member	Sat Oct 23 14:55:12 Isn't he also the producer? So if there are negligent lack of safety procedures etc, that's also ultimately on him no?
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 23 15:18:44 Seb, I'm not really sure, but it is common practice to add famous/lead stars as producers/exec. Producers as a ceremonial gesture, not sure in this case. And that's why I'm not making a legal judgement, there is just too much unknown. Where was it being filmed?
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 23 15:41:05 I should point out that just looking at the ammo , you should be able to tell if its a blank or more commonly reffered to as a powder shot. The tips usually resemble a worn Philips drill bit.
murder Member	Sat Oct 23 16:18:28 "i didn't say Baldwin's absolved of negligence, the Grenell post obviously wasn't about negligence... unless some hint of deception in the stories no reason to examine Alec Baldwin's social media posts & history w/ women, he was being a snarky dick (as he always has been)" The fact that Grenell was being a a snarky dick doesn't change the fact that yes, this incident has to be investigated from every possible angle just like any other homicide. It's not like he doesn't have a history of violence.
murder Member	Sat Oct 23 16:28:59 When you take possession of a firearm, you are also taking possession of the responsibility to make sure that no one is harmed by that firearm ... unless you mean to harm them. I don't care who told Baldwin what. It was his responsibility to check the weapon to make sure that it was safe.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Oct 23 17:16:26 it was camera crew who got pissed off... so one of them knowing a shoot-at-camera scene coming up tampering w/ gun would make a decent solution... if this was a TV show
Habebe Member	Sat Oct 23 17:18:40 Murder hit the nail on the head.
patom Member	Sat Oct 23 17:35:01 Baldwin is ultimately responsible. #1 for not insuring the gun was loaded with the proper ammunition. #2 for pointing a gun at people and pulling the trigger. They weren't cast members, therefore there was NO reason to ever point a gun at them. Next thing you know Baldwin will be nominated for President of the NRA.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 23 17:49:48 Baldwin is clearly negligent but i doubt hes the only one.
kargen Member	Sat Oct 23 23:37:49 We are forgetting how fucked up the unions are in this industry. If in a movie an electrical appliance gets unplugged the electrician had to plug it back in. Depending on who is involved what type of electrician matters. A gaffer would be responsible for electrical equipment associated with lights so might not be able to handle props. A key grip is responsible for non electrical items related to lights. If a key grip moves a light stand and the light becomes unplugged he can't reach down and plug it in. Wouldn't be unreasonable to think why the gun wasn't checked after being signed off on by the armorer is because union rules don't allow it. If Baldwin doesn't know much about guns how the fuck is he suppose to know if it is safe or not? They have blanks that look real but have no powder. The blanks that have the powder just have a paper wad in the end so don't look real. Look at how Brandon Lee was killed. There was something lodged in the barrel of the gun. Unless you are familiar with the gun you wouldn't have even known how to check for that. There was one person on that set that was suppose to check the safety of that gun before allowing it to be handled by talent. That person failed.
Seb Member	Sun Oct 24 02:48:51 Patom: Other way around: pretty much any shit were one character needs to point a gun at another can be achieved without actually doing so via false perspective. And that is usually preferred by safety. If a gun is actually being pointed at someone, it's normally the camera crew, because the shot requires the gun to appear to be pointed at the viewer. Though why they don't use remote control or something, I don't know.
patom Member	Sun Oct 24 04:04:49 Seb: You are right, if that is what happened. However it is still the holder of the gun that is responsible. Kargen: It may be that the prop handler is responsible to insure that blanks are loaded. Baldwin is still responsible to double check as he was the one pulling the trigger.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 24 06:28:41 Doesnt matter if its loaded or not if you dont point it at a person and pull the trigger.
murder Member	Sun Oct 24 09:25:01 ^this Also, union contracts don't override the law. I doubt that anyone gets any significant sentence ... possibly no is even charged ... but several people should. Someone died. If you can't be bothered to learn how to safely handle guns, then you shouldn't be allowed to work with them. They can film their westerns with finger guns.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 24 11:22:09 I think the criminal liability will be fairly small. Courts tend to view the killing of a friend or family member as punishment enough. The financial liability will be large.
Habebe Member	Sun Oct 24 19:49:30 I doubt he will face any criminal penalties.But he is effectively neutralized out of the gun control debate, he will always be remembered as that guy who killed a woman on set with a gun, which he protests the use of.
kargen Member	Sun Oct 24 22:15:22 "Baldwin is still responsible to double check as he was the one pulling the trigger." Why would you have him double check? If he knows nothing about guns or ammo his double check is fairly worthless. Again go back to what happened to Brandon Lee. Okay what I was going to type next would have been wrong. I found this. "The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors’ Equity Association’s guidelines state that, “Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.” Further, “All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision."" So while Baldwin wouldn't have been expected to inspect the weapon he should have witnessed the weapon being inspected. Two people could probably be charged with criminal negligence. The armorer that placed the hot gun with the other prop guns and his assistant that failed to check the weapon before allowing it on set.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 25 00:51:36 Santa Fe, N.M. — Alec Baldwin practiced pulling a revolver from his holster, showing the director how he planned to reach across his body, draw the gun and point it at the camera, according to a search-warrant affidavit released Sunday. On the actor’s final reach for the gun, the film's director, Joel Souza, said he heard a whipping noise, followed by a loud pop, according to the affidavit prepared and released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office... [if someone has a WSJ subscription they can post the rest :p] http://www...afety-check-of-gun-11635133319
Habebe Member	Mon Oct 25 01:25:34 CNN is like a parody news site now, I didnt recognize the anchor but he was going on how horrified he was that Republicans were joking/making light of the situation, a tragedy with a slain mother, I mean really laid it on thick.
Habebe Member	Mon Oct 25 01:27:05 http://youtu.be/3NDEf8iebbw Found the clip, I think his name is Tapper.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon Oct 25 01:33:04 Yeah this isn't news Republicans regularly mock children that survive mass shootings.
Habebe Member	Mon Oct 25 01:36:40 Oh, quit being a disengenous faggot.
Dukhat Member	Mon Oct 25 01:42:43 The pot calling the kettle black.
Habebe Member	Mon Oct 25 01:49:00 Dukhat, Stop hitting on me, NO means NO. I mean seriously, first off no one.was mocking the dead lady and her son, right? This a group of people mind you who celebrate when a non vaxed republican dies. Cry me a river, lets face it being near an anti gunner who doesn't respect basic gun safety and plays with guns is a dangerous job.
Seb Member	Mon Oct 25 02:07:59 Patom: I'm not so sure it's that simple. For example, law probably doesn't treat the accidental death of someone by a car driven by a stunt driver in a scene being shot the same way as it would treat it if it happened on the road. It's very difficult to work out exactly what happened, the press are not using terminology very clearly here. For example, they keep calling it a prop gun. But a prop gun means an imitation firearm, a firearm that fires blanks is capable of shooting live rounds. So when the press say live rounds, the impression is an actual bullet, but in the same way they may mean blank. Surely the whole point of having an armourer is that they check the gun with the actor before the scene. Also why was the assistant director able to grab a gun from the trolley? Surely that's the armourers job: to secure and manage the guns? So two points of failure there: assistant director and armourer both broke safety procedures. Certainly Baldwin should have checked - but from a liability perspective production shouldn't be relying on actors checking guns for safety - the armourer or trained safety personnel ought to have done so with the actor to make sure it was done thoroughly and properly. Now Baldwin is an experienced actor and also producer* on this movie. If this was say, an 18 year old extra playing Mook no 3 who was required for a scene to be shooting would we have the same emphasis on the actor pulling the trigger? To me that seems the last in a long string of failures, starting with the armourer not having secured the guns (or possibly there being a live loaded gun at all, if that's what happened). Ultimately I think the armourer, assistant director and production team failure to assure themselves procedures were in place and being followed are at fault here. As for criminal liability, I imagine this will be treated more as an industrial accident than manslaughter through whatever you call reckless use of firearms, in the same way death of a camera crew by a stunt car during a scene would not be treated like death by dangerous driving. *Though this may be an honorific thing.
Habebe Member	Mon Oct 25 02:10:36 I find it telling that I havnt been able to find ANY CNN mentions that if the first rule in gun safety was followed, she wouldnt be dead. I see this ppl protesting for no live guns on set, and yeah, fine, who cares. But you know what, mabey if we just mandated gun safety classes we would be better off. My 6 yr old neice , if you ask her the first rule of gun safety will repeat "Always treat all guns as if they were loaded" period. I myself knew this as a kid and passed my hunters safety course that included gun safety etc. At age 12.
Seb Member	Mon Oct 25 02:25:08 Habebe: If the gun was treated as loaded, then you could never shoot that shot because you need to point it at a person.
kargen Member	Mon Oct 25 02:26:54 We took the hunters safety course in third grade here. Whole class in the school cafeteria. I already had my hunters safety card but had to take it again anyway.
Habebe Member	Mon Oct 25 03:10:40 Seb, You really don't need to point it at a person, game of thrones had no real dragons, Mare of East town had no real gunfire. Eddie Murphy didn't have dinner with 5 different versions of humself.
Habebe Member	Mon Oct 25 03:10:41 Seb, You really don't need to point it at a person, game of thrones had no real dragons, Mare of East town had no real gunfire. Eddie Murphy didn't have dinner with 5 different versions of humself.
murder Member	Mon Oct 25 06:51:32 "Alec Baldwin practiced pulling a revolver from his holster, showing the director how he planned to reach across his body, draw the gun and point it at the camera, according to a search-warrant affidavit released Sunday." If they weren't even filming yet, there was zero excuse for him pulling the trigger.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Oct 25 12:37:14 "If the gun was treated as loaded, then you could never shoot that shot because you need to point it at a person." No. You need to point it at the camera.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Oct 25 12:39:51 "If he knows nothing about guns" Then he should have educated himself.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Oct 25 12:40:36 Before picking up a gun, pointing it at a person, and puling the trigger.
Seb Member	Mon Oct 25 12:55:54 Sam: Still seems to me like saying to a stunt driver who kills someone on set when an accident goes wrong "Clearly, this man does not know how to drive, the highway code clearly states...".
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