Utopia Talk / Politics / Who is Ray Epps? FBI/Jan 6

Habebe Member	Tue Nov 30 10:27:55 Is this real? The story is there is a load of videos of this guy supposedly making telling people the day before and of Jan 6 riot to storm the building. Also that he has no charges and is an FBI agent. So how much if any of this is true?
murder Member	Tue Nov 30 10:30:29 An FBI agent instructing people to storm the building would have led to charges being dropped for entrapment.
Habebe Member	Tue Nov 30 11:02:59 Would and should are different. But if he isn't an FBI guy, that still doesn't answer who he is? He has no charges. http://twi...?t=8LqBQXcFAv7Jp7-C4b59WQ&s=19
murder Member	Tue Nov 30 11:59:14 Because he's probably a rat. He's probably selling everyone and his mother down the river. As long as he keeps volunteering information ... assuming that he is ... he won't be charged.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 30 12:06:16 you should stop reading sources that presume he's an FBI agent the presumption seems to originate from 'Revolver News' (run by a Trump speechwriter), and it's the -sole- source Tucker used to say the FBI led the attack (even without this Epps guy extra speculation)... and it's entirely speculation as it was for the Tucker story also, half Epps comments in that video are just to go to the Capitol... Trump also told the crowd to go to the Capitol... a militant cultist would also want to go the Capitol... there's no indication he himself went into the Capitol (afaik) (which is being very Trumpy: make others commit the crimes you want done), perhaps there's not enough to charge him with anything or perhaps charges still being decided on (i am unaware of anyone being charged who didn't do any breaching / trespassing)
Habebe Member	Tue Nov 30 12:11:17 Mabey,but it's all very strange behaviour. At the very least this should be thoroughly investigated if we are having a commission on Jan. 6th. Lets face it the FBI does that sort of thing all the time and has for a long time.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 30 12:14:28 one piece of their 'evidence' was the FBI had Epps photo up seeking public info on identifying him... & then they... took it down!!!!!!!!! thus he's an FBI agent! or maybe they identified him & questioned him and maybe he would never have had his photo up in the first place if it was an FBI job... (& Epps was Oath Keeper president in Arizona (the most insurrectiony GOP state))
Habebe Member	Tue Nov 30 12:18:04 "you should stop reading sources that presume he's an FBI agent" Well, it actually comes from the video where the crowd is chanting "Fed,Fed, Fed" The guy clearly is shown stating they should go into the building which doesn't seem popular with the crowd. Again, Im just saying regardless of his intent or employer, he should be investigated.
Habebe Member	Tue Nov 30 12:21:20 TW,See this is what frustrates me about your arguments. You will take the most extreme and random crazy take and make it out like that's the mainstream take. I just heard about this guy and lets say for tyensakenof argument he is a full on legit Trumptonian , wouldnt you want him thoroughly investigated as this clearly seems to be inciting a riot or at least trying to.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 30 12:31:52 "Well, it actually comes from the video where the crowd is chanting "Fed,Fed, Fed" " so you think the guy standing next to him might have inside info he's an FBI agent? it's a militia leader trying to influence others, that's all i see
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 30 12:53:44 it may be the first you've heard about it, but this has circulated for awhile... if they had more on him, the fraudosphere would be posting it also... browsing Revolver News (GARBAGE)... they say Epps photo was put up on FBI list seeking info on Jan 8... then removed July 1... MONTHS later... but for Revolver News: " ... Then, on July 1, between the hours of 3:37 a.m. and 5:55 p.m., the FBI finally took action on Ray Epps. But not to prosecute him, or to announce a sweeping investigation or FBI SWAT raid on Epps’s house for all of his phones and electronics. Instead, someone at the FBI quietly and stealthily purged every trace of Ray Epps from the Capitol Riots Most Wanted database. Using the Wayback Machine from archive.org, we see that from January 8, 2021 until 3:37 a.m. on July 1, every archived version of the FBI.gov website shows Ray Epps as Suspect 16. The below photo is just a snapshot sample from February 16, 2021 — but users can view the Web Archive themselves to witness the Ray Epps purge occurring sometime between 3:37 a.m. and 5:55 p.m. on July 1. That would be during the FBI workday. On, July 1, Ray Epps, Suspect 16, was disappeared, as if he never existed. Now let’s be clear: Ray Epps was not purged because he was arrested. If Epps was arrested, the FBI Wanted List would have the caption “ARRESTED” affixed to his picture, as you can plainly see is done for all other arrested suspects in the database itself. Further, the searchable Justive.Gov Capitol Breach Cases database confirms there are no case dockets or filings for any “Epps” at all. To anyone checking the January 6 FBI Most Wanted List today, “Suspect 16” is just a ghost. Only obsessive, fastidious Wayback Machine users spending hours pouring through archived screenshots could ever forensically confirm Ray Epps was ever really a Wanted Man. The question then arises: what prompted the FBI’s six-month slumber on Epps, and then their sudden purger on July 1? ... " all of those paragraphs are because his photo was removed from the list on July 1... & in what way is that "sudden", & how could you remove the photo and it not be "sudden" by this description? and what is stealthy about it... a photo was taken down, that's the entirety of what happened amongst all that conspiracy text perhaps saying twice the night before that they need to go into the capitol (specifying peacefully one time) isn't sufficient for an inciting riot charge & he was merely cleared
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