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Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Tue Jan 11 15:36:49
The man almost died from Covid once yet still has massive parties.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59930733

murder
Member Tue Jan 11 17:11:52

We can always hope not. Of course there is always the possibility that his replacement would be even worse.

Habebe
Member Tue Jan 11 20:06:55
That sounds like a dystopian manhunt show from FOX (pre Disney)

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 10:04:25
I'm honestly flabbergasted how shit and unsophisticated his political operation is.

I mean, for the tories, they clearly want to wait until the local elections are out of the way in May. Nobody wants to come in now and take that hit.

But he seems to be desperately trying to get himself sacked before then.

Rugian
Member Tue Jan 18 10:25:24
Or hes just human. Nobody can reasonably be expected to refrain from casual human contact for 2+ years.

But I do get that his government was hypocritical in telling people not to attend weddings and funerals while he was partying it up.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 12:03:44
Rugian:

"Nobody can reasonably be expected to refrain from casual human contact for 2+ years."

Yeah, holding a drinks party in your own honour on the same evening as you send out a junior minister to emphasise this is banned is right there at the bottom of Maslows hierarchy of needs.

I mean, who of us hasn't found it impossible not to invite over a hundred people to a drinks party in our back garden during a curfew we, ourselves, have imposed with criminal laws.

Dukhat
Member Tue Jan 18 14:19:22
Probably. Working class whites will be bombarded by a wedge issue and memes the weeks before the election and vote their hearts instead of their pocketbooks.

It's a social-media-dominated world whether we like it or not.

Rugian
Member Tue Jan 18 14:40:23
Seb

The hypocrisy is abominable, I agree. Rake him over the coals for that.

What I don't judge negatively is the basic human need to have interactions with others. Generally speaking (though members on this board seem to be an exception), humans are social creatures, and we value having quality time with others.

The real takeaway here should be that draconian lockdowns for extended periods of time are completely impractical. If the head of Her Majesty's government can't comply with them, there's no reason why the rest of you should be held to a higher standard.

jergul
large member Tue Jan 18 15:27:43
Ruggy
He is being crucified for stuff that happened in 2020.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 15:32:01
Rugian:

"What I don't judge negatively is the basic human need to have interactions with others."

Come off it.

The rest of us managed to have social interactions via meeting with our households or the limited social interactions allowed by meeting in small groups out-doors.

This idea that Oh-noes - social interaction of all kinds was forbidden - is utter crap.

On top of that Boris happened to be in one of the few groups allowed to meet f2f to work - his life was not much different to normal.

The argument that he was driven by loneliness to organise a fucking drinks party for 100 is utter bullshit.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 15:32:52
"If the head of Her Majesty's government can't comply with them"

Of course he could comply with them, most of the rest of the cabinet, the shadow cabinet, and millions of other people could comply with them.

He deliberately chose not to.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 15:35:04
Rugian:

And this was what, 20th May? and Lockdown began on 29th March? So not even two months.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 17:20:45
Sounds like the interview today may have tipped enpugh of the new intake of Tory MPs to no confidence him.

If so the idiots have gone early. Means either they will have to have a new leader by May who will be tainted by the inevitable punishment beating from the electorate; or they'll fail to dislodge him and they'll need to wait another year, and the public will be furious and they'll be screwed.

They needed to have the summer recess for a new leadership election.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 17:22:06
What Muppet thought it would be a good idea to have him go on TV and say "Nobody told me it was against the rules".

He's the fucking PM, and most of the public will largely recognise him as "that guy that is always on telly in front of a podium telling us what the rules are this week".

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 17:22:30
Rugian, you don't happen to work for No 10 do you?

Rugian
Member Tue Jan 18 17:47:28
Seb

Are you being serious?

The vast majority of people respected quarantining and social distancing rules in the earliest days of the pandemic. Since then though, most people have tried to get back to their lives as best they can.

We don't count how many people are in a particular room at any given moment. We don't freak out when someone doesn't have a mask on, and we don't card our guests for proof of vaccination. Video calls on Teams and Zoom are a poor substitute for *actual* human interaction.

"Of course he could comply with them, most of the rest of the cabinet, the shadow cabinet, and millions of other people could comply with them."

Show me one person who has 100% complied with all social distancing guidelines since March 2020. I'll grant you that that person probably exists, but he us also probably an anti-social neurotic who didn't get out much even before the pandemic.

I guarantee you that if I look, I can find instances of Keir Starmer, Ian Blackford, and whoever is leading the Lib Dems these days intermingling with people when the rules say they shouldn't, or being maskless when they should have masks on.

We've had the same experience in the States. I can dredge up a list if you want, but the number of Democratic politicians who have been caught violating social distancing or masking rules that *they themselves* have pushed is ridiculous.

The only people who are capable of actually following all of the draconian rules that our governments have promulgated since the outbreak of Covid-19 are complete shut-ins. And surprise, Boris isn't one of those people.

So no, I don't give Boris grief for wanting to attend a party. He should be given grief about how he convinced millions of others (including yourself, apparently) to do so.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 17:56:20
Rugian:

"The vast majority of people respected quarantining and social distancing rules in the earliest days of the pandemic"

Like I said, lockdown began on 29th March. He had 100 people at a drinks party on he 20th April.

Stop trying to sell your dumb talking points.

"Show me one person who has 100% complied with all social distancing guidelines since March 2020"

What? Are you fucking kidding me? There are hundreds of people, thousands of people, who watched their loved ones die alone during the period between March and end of May 2020.

And you are telling me that it was just impossible for the PM - who by virtue of his actual job had far more social interaction than most - to not hold a boozed up drinks party?

"I guarantee you that if I look,"

Go on then. Best you'll get it the shitty story the sun ran where they had a blurry, possibly photo shopped image of Keir Starmer eating while conducting a meeting.

Habebe
Member Tue Jan 18 18:04:32
Yeah, not really defensible.Boris is guilty of the same hypocrisy as many US Dems.AOC?

How will that land with voters? IDK the British electorate well enough.I guess it depends how much time will pass before the next election.

Seb
Member Tue Jan 18 18:08:41
A remake of the shining with Rugian trading the role of Jack Nicholson. Six and half minutes after closing the front door after first arriving, hes gone mad with isolation and killed his kid.

Rugian
Member Tue Jan 18 18:17:22
Seb

How about any one of the PMQs that Starmer has attended?

Does Covid not spread when you're reciting talking points given to you by the trade unions at the dispatch box?

Anyway, five seconds of googling found an instance where he deleted a picture of himself in a room with a bunch of union reps, none of them wearing masks. Leading by example, indeed.

"What? Are you fucking kidding me? There are hundreds of people, thousands of people, who watched their loved ones die alone during the period between March and end of May 2020."

Yes and I was one of those people.

Lockdowns are fucking disgusting intrusions upon us that *needlessly* deprived us all of so many quality moments in our lives that we'll never give back.

The policy itself is obscene, and I begrudge no one for prioritizing themselves and their loved ones over following the diktats of some distant government that just wants to look like it's doing *something* during a pandemic.

I'm no Boris cheerleader these days, *precisely* because he's gone too far with pandemic restrictions in England. But, again, there's nothing wrong with acting like a fucking human being.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 19 03:20:00
Rugian:

You've always been allowed to attend work if it is essential.

Parliamentary process and operation of the government is exempt.

Whether parliament is sitting remotely or in person is decided by the Leader of the house, who is a conservative, Jeremy Rees-Mogg.

At the time in question, parliament was sitting remotely.

"Anyway, five seconds of googling found an instance where he deleted a picture of himself in a room with a bunch of union reps, none of them wearing masks. Leading by example, indeed."

More Tory press scuttle butt. I believe in any case it is the same incident. You can have have a coffee and work.

"Yes and I was one of those people."

And yet here you are saying "well actually, after two months, Boris Johnson was so out of his mind with isolation he just had to run out and have a drinks party with 100 colleagues". So what, does that mean then that your really weren't that desperate to be there for your loved ones? Or more likely, does it actually mean Boris was not driven to this by the harshness of lockdown; that the rules were impossible to keep, or rather he knowingly broke the rules because he just doesn't think they should apply to him?

"diktats of some distant government"

He's the fucking prime minister. He *IS* the government.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 19 07:40:02
Habebe:

"How will that land with voters?"

Well, Labour has a 10 point lead, and Boris has a 64% disapproval rate (51% net negative).

I think there is a strong probability he will not be allowed to lead them into the next election.

Seb
Member Wed Jan 19 07:40:11
Habebe:

"How will that land with voters?"

Well, Labour has a 10 point lead, and Boris has a 64% disapproval rate (51% net negative).

I think there is a strong probability he will not be allowed to lead them into the next election.

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Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Tue Jan 11 15:36:49 The man almost died from Covid once yet still has massive parties. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59930733
murder Member	Tue Jan 11 17:11:52 We can always hope not. Of course there is always the possibility that his replacement would be even worse.
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 11 20:06:55 That sounds like a dystopian manhunt show from FOX (pre Disney)
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 10:04:25 I'm honestly flabbergasted how shit and unsophisticated his political operation is. I mean, for the tories, they clearly want to wait until the local elections are out of the way in May. Nobody wants to come in now and take that hit. But he seems to be desperately trying to get himself sacked before then.
Rugian Member	Tue Jan 18 10:25:24 Or hes just human. Nobody can reasonably be expected to refrain from casual human contact for 2+ years. But I do get that his government was hypocritical in telling people not to attend weddings and funerals while he was partying it up.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 12:03:44 Rugian: "Nobody can reasonably be expected to refrain from casual human contact for 2+ years." Yeah, holding a drinks party in your own honour on the same evening as you send out a junior minister to emphasise this is banned is right there at the bottom of Maslows hierarchy of needs. I mean, who of us hasn't found it impossible not to invite over a hundred people to a drinks party in our back garden during a curfew we, ourselves, have imposed with criminal laws.
Dukhat Member	Tue Jan 18 14:19:22 Probably. Working class whites will be bombarded by a wedge issue and memes the weeks before the election and vote their hearts instead of their pocketbooks. It's a social-media-dominated world whether we like it or not.
Rugian Member	Tue Jan 18 14:40:23 Seb The hypocrisy is abominable, I agree. Rake him over the coals for that. What I don't judge negatively is the basic human need to have interactions with others. Generally speaking (though members on this board seem to be an exception), humans are social creatures, and we value having quality time with others. The real takeaway here should be that draconian lockdowns for extended periods of time are completely impractical. If the head of Her Majesty's government can't comply with them, there's no reason why the rest of you should be held to a higher standard.
jergul large member	Tue Jan 18 15:27:43 Ruggy He is being crucified for stuff that happened in 2020.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 15:32:01 Rugian: "What I don't judge negatively is the basic human need to have interactions with others." Come off it. The rest of us managed to have social interactions via meeting with our households or the limited social interactions allowed by meeting in small groups out-doors. This idea that Oh-noes - social interaction of all kinds was forbidden - is utter crap. On top of that Boris happened to be in one of the few groups allowed to meet f2f to work - his life was not much different to normal. The argument that he was driven by loneliness to organise a fucking drinks party for 100 is utter bullshit.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 15:32:52 "If the head of Her Majesty's government can't comply with them" Of course he could comply with them, most of the rest of the cabinet, the shadow cabinet, and millions of other people could comply with them. He deliberately chose not to.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 15:35:04 Rugian: And this was what, 20th May? and Lockdown began on 29th March? So not even two months.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 17:20:45 Sounds like the interview today may have tipped enpugh of the new intake of Tory MPs to no confidence him. If so the idiots have gone early. Means either they will have to have a new leader by May who will be tainted by the inevitable punishment beating from the electorate; or they'll fail to dislodge him and they'll need to wait another year, and the public will be furious and they'll be screwed. They needed to have the summer recess for a new leadership election.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 17:22:06 What Muppet thought it would be a good idea to have him go on TV and say "Nobody told me it was against the rules". He's the fucking PM, and most of the public will largely recognise him as "that guy that is always on telly in front of a podium telling us what the rules are this week".
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 17:22:30 Rugian, you don't happen to work for No 10 do you?
Rugian Member	Tue Jan 18 17:47:28 Seb Are you being serious? The vast majority of people respected quarantining and social distancing rules in the earliest days of the pandemic. Since then though, most people have tried to get back to their lives as best they can. We don't count how many people are in a particular room at any given moment. We don't freak out when someone doesn't have a mask on, and we don't card our guests for proof of vaccination. Video calls on Teams and Zoom are a poor substitute for actual human interaction. "Of course he could comply with them, most of the rest of the cabinet, the shadow cabinet, and millions of other people could comply with them." Show me one person who has 100% complied with all social distancing guidelines since March 2020. I'll grant you that that person probably exists, but he us also probably an anti-social neurotic who didn't get out much even before the pandemic. I guarantee you that if I look, I can find instances of Keir Starmer, Ian Blackford, and whoever is leading the Lib Dems these days intermingling with people when the rules say they shouldn't, or being maskless when they should have masks on. We've had the same experience in the States. I can dredge up a list if you want, but the number of Democratic politicians who have been caught violating social distancing or masking rules that they themselves have pushed is ridiculous. The only people who are capable of actually following all of the draconian rules that our governments have promulgated since the outbreak of Covid-19 are complete shut-ins. And surprise, Boris isn't one of those people. So no, I don't give Boris grief for wanting to attend a party. He should be given grief about how he convinced millions of others (including yourself, apparently) to do so.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 17:56:20 Rugian: "The vast majority of people respected quarantining and social distancing rules in the earliest days of the pandemic" Like I said, lockdown began on 29th March. He had 100 people at a drinks party on he 20th April. Stop trying to sell your dumb talking points. "Show me one person who has 100% complied with all social distancing guidelines since March 2020" What? Are you fucking kidding me? There are hundreds of people, thousands of people, who watched their loved ones die alone during the period between March and end of May 2020. And you are telling me that it was just impossible for the PM - who by virtue of his actual job had far more social interaction than most - to not hold a boozed up drinks party? "I guarantee you that if I look," Go on then. Best you'll get it the shitty story the sun ran where they had a blurry, possibly photo shopped image of Keir Starmer eating while conducting a meeting.
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 18 18:04:32 Yeah, not really defensible.Boris is guilty of the same hypocrisy as many US Dems.AOC? How will that land with voters? IDK the British electorate well enough.I guess it depends how much time will pass before the next election.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 18 18:08:41 A remake of the shining with Rugian trading the role of Jack Nicholson. Six and half minutes after closing the front door after first arriving, hes gone mad with isolation and killed his kid.
Rugian Member	Tue Jan 18 18:17:22 Seb How about any one of the PMQs that Starmer has attended? Does Covid not spread when you're reciting talking points given to you by the trade unions at the dispatch box? Anyway, five seconds of googling found an instance where he deleted a picture of himself in a room with a bunch of union reps, none of them wearing masks. Leading by example, indeed. "What? Are you fucking kidding me? There are hundreds of people, thousands of people, who watched their loved ones die alone during the period between March and end of May 2020." Yes and I was one of those people. Lockdowns are fucking disgusting intrusions upon us that needlessly deprived us all of so many quality moments in our lives that we'll never give back. The policy itself is obscene, and I begrudge no one for prioritizing themselves and their loved ones over following the diktats of some distant government that just wants to look like it's doing something during a pandemic. I'm no Boris cheerleader these days, precisely because he's gone too far with pandemic restrictions in England. But, again, there's nothing wrong with acting like a fucking human being.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 19 03:20:00 Rugian: You've always been allowed to attend work if it is essential. Parliamentary process and operation of the government is exempt. Whether parliament is sitting remotely or in person is decided by the Leader of the house, who is a conservative, Jeremy Rees-Mogg. At the time in question, parliament was sitting remotely. "Anyway, five seconds of googling found an instance where he deleted a picture of himself in a room with a bunch of union reps, none of them wearing masks. Leading by example, indeed." More Tory press scuttle butt. I believe in any case it is the same incident. You can have have a coffee and work. "Yes and I was one of those people." And yet here you are saying "well actually, after two months, Boris Johnson was so out of his mind with isolation he just had to run out and have a drinks party with 100 colleagues". So what, does that mean then that your really weren't that desperate to be there for your loved ones? Or more likely, does it actually mean Boris was not driven to this by the harshness of lockdown; that the rules were impossible to keep, or rather he knowingly broke the rules because he just doesn't think they should apply to him? "diktats of some distant government" He's the fucking prime minister. He IS the government.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 19 07:40:02 Habebe: "How will that land with voters?" Well, Labour has a 10 point lead, and Boris has a 64% disapproval rate (51% net negative). I think there is a strong probability he will not be allowed to lead them into the next election.
Seb Member	Wed Jan 19 07:40:11 Habebe: "How will that land with voters?" Well, Labour has a 10 point lead, and Boris has a 64% disapproval rate (51% net negative). I think there is a strong probability he will not be allowed to lead them into the next election.
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