Utopia Talk / Politics / Kyrsten Sinema

murder Member	Thu Jan 13 22:01:19 I don't even have words for this but ... ======================================= Jennifer 'pro-voting' Rubin @JRubinBlogger Sinema is effectively asking the authors of Jim Crow and vote-rigging to give their permission for her to stop it. This is worse than incoherent or cowardice. It's a moral disgrace. Ask the segregationists for permission to vote for Civil Rights Act? http://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1481678657605275667
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 13 22:06:15 I don't even have words for this either. And by "this," I mean you quoting Jennifer Rubin. Jesus.
murder Member	Thu Jan 13 22:13:05 For those who don't know, Kyrsten Sinema is a US Senator from Arizona is 100% in favor of the voting rights bill being proposed ... as long as it has 0% chance of passing.
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 13 22:15:10 And for those who don't know, no one is trying to re-implement Jim Crow, or Jim Eagle, or whatever the fuck mouth breathers like murder are calling it today.
Habebe Member	Thu Jan 13 22:17:04 What's even in the voting rights bill? I remember 2 weeks of mail in votes.
kargen Member	Thu Jan 13 23:08:33 So most the Jim Crow laws were written and enacted by Democrats. Don't see the asking permission part. Seems more a stand to keep them from wrecking the country. Sinema has for a very long time said she opposes ending the filibuster rule. How was the main stream media surprised by this? Actually I doubt they are. They are upset because President Biden has once again failed them and they have to unleash their anger on anyone but him.
kargen Member	Thu Jan 13 23:27:02 Fifteen days early voting. Election day would be national holiday. Ban state ID laws. Same day voter registration. Allow online registration that requires no existing state record to register. Require states to automatically register people in state and federal data bases. This one would cause multiple registrations as people are in multiple data bases. Disallow states from changing their election laws without federal approval. This one is the big one and is probably unconstitutional. Allow felons the right to vote as soon as they leave prison. Many states require felons finish probation and other things before being able to vote. THis would change that. Public funding program for candidates. Basically tax dollars would be sent to political campaigns. Require drop boxes for absentee ballots with little or no security and allow party affiliates to pick up and deliver those ballots with no oversight. Require paper trail on all elections. Create national standards for voter registration. Some of these are good ideas and some are not.
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 14 00:01:33 But Republicans aren't opposing the bad ideas and supporting the good ones. They just oppose all of it.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 00:07:23 "So most the Jim Crow laws were written and enacted by Democrats." "Yeah but we were Democrats back then!" -- Republicans
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 00:09:20 Election day holiday and let felons vote And paper trail....all good stuff. The rest seems shit.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 00:11:45 "Sinema has for a very long time said she opposes ending the filibuster rule." I wonder what Sinema could possibly have been talking about when she mentioned "the false pressure to get to 60". http://twitter.com/nick_ramsey/status/1481687472719417352
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 00:14:40 "Require drop boxes for absentee ballots with little or no security and allow party affiliates to pick up and deliver those ballots with no oversight. Require paper trail on all elections." I don't understand how we're supposed to commit all the fraud if we're going to require a paper trail for all votes. :o\
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 00:18:37 "Election day holiday and let felons vote. And paper trail....all good stuff. The rest seems shit." I have one more reasonable proposal. Anyone who keeps an eligible US citizen from casting a legal ballot or purges an eligible citizen from their state's voter rolls goes to the guillotine. There should be serious consequences for violating someone's constitutional rights.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 00:46:48 Murder, Well IDK about a guillotine but I'm pretty sure it's federal crime to not allow a legit voter the right to vote. I dont like NY's plan to let non citizens (legal) vote. Part of me likes standardized ballots for federal elections, UT I like the idea of a variety of methods with how it is too, seems safer.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 01:00:55 "I dont like NY's plan to let non citizens (legal) vote." Why? WTF do you care? Do you live in NYC? These people pay taxes. They should have a say in who represents them at the local level and how those dollars are spent.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 01:12:57 They want it for federal elections. Local is their choice.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 01:14:50 Or maybe I misunderstood.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 01:28:49 It's strictly local. It would require a state law to allow them to vote on the state level, and a constitutional amendment to allow them to vote for federal offices.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 02:16:48 My mistake then.
kargen Member	Fri Jan 14 18:34:29 "But Republicans aren't opposing the bad ideas and supporting the good ones. They just oppose all of it." That is because the Democrats are offering this up as an all or nothing package. Kind of like a scene from WKRP in Cincinnati. "Col. H. Buchanan: [reading his will in the video] To my brother Cedric I leave... nothing, because he's always been an all or nothing kind of fellow and since he can't have it all he gets nothing." They have common ground. Drop the other shit out and pass what they can. Then the filibuster won't matter.
kargen Member	Fri Jan 14 18:37:22 "I wonder what Sinema could possibly have been talking about when she mentioned "the false pressure to get to 60"." She was talking about the type of vote that takes only 51 to pass instead of the 60. Listening to the entire clip even then she seems to be supporting the filibuster remaining in place.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 14 18:43:09 "Jennifer 'pro-voting' Rubin @JRubinBlogger" Rofl. Sinema for pres.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 19:18:53 "They have common ground." If there was common ground, you'd be seeing it at the state level and there would be no issue for Congress to address. There is no common ground. Republicans don't want everyone to vote because they know they are the minority and getting more minor by the day.
kargen Member	Sat Jan 15 04:47:34 What policy or change Republicans want or have put in place restricts a citizens ability to vote? Other than felons and they knew before they committed the crime what the consequences were.
habebe Member	Sat Jan 15 05:33:00 "Republicans don't want everyone to vote because they know they are the minority and getting more minor by the day." Have you not seen any polls in the last year?
habebe Member	Sat Jan 15 05:34:12 Honestly, the only hope the Democratic party has is that the Republicans are often better at winning elections than governance.
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