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murder
Member Fri Jan 14 01:44:51
OK so this blew my mind. It turns out it was actually pretty common until ~ a century ago.

http://en....s_to_vote_in_the_United_States

You really do learn something new every day. :o)

murder
Member Fri Jan 14 01:51:24

Also new information ... North Dakota (a pretty damn red state) doesn't even require people to register to vote.

murder
Member Fri Jan 14 02:04:06

Apparently some states even allowed noncitizens to vote in federal elections ... and even to hold office.

Habebe
Member Fri Jan 14 02:15:51
Yes but in context they were also white male landowners. So the pool was already limited.

So white male landowners who were residing in the US.

murder
Member Fri Jan 14 02:26:51

For federal elections, yes.

Dukhat
Member Fri Jan 14 10:43:09
Well those foreigners had to fight in wars too. The Union faced riots in all the major cities by recent immigrants that didn't want to fight.

So it seems right that they got the right to vote.

Sam Adams
Member Fri Jan 14 12:35:31
That was back when immigration was good.

Rugian
Member Fri Jan 14 13:21:26
Sam is correct. Prior to the early 1800s, your average immigrant was a Protestant from England, Scotland, France, Germany, or Ireland.

These were all hard-working, industrious people who had been instilled with the values of Western Civilization and had largely developed a deep mistrust of government by tyranny.

This background, together with property requirements that restricted the vote to those who had the biggest investment in the success of the early Republic, meant that citizenship status was less of an issue in the 1700s.

The Founders would have been absolutely revolted at the idea of Chinese and Latin American hordes, born and raised in Communist autocracies and having no understanding whatsoever of the principals of good self-government, having the right to vote.

Just, no.

murder
Member Fri Jan 14 18:52:45

"The Founders would have been absolutely revolted at the idea of Chinese and Latin American hordes ..."

The founders were garbage men who thought enslaving other people was acceptable because they could profit from it. Fuck the founders!

Rugian
Member Fri Jan 14 18:58:27
Get out of my country, hombre.

murder
Member Fri Jan 14 19:25:10

Make me.

habebe
Member Fri Jan 14 20:11:53
Actually they only supported enslaving 3/5ths of a person.

habebe
Member Fri Jan 14 20:26:57
But absolutism is silly logic.

The Founding fathers helped lay the groundwork to better the lives of many people.That should be enough.

Martin Luther King has said some things that by todays standard are considered anti homosexual, he was a Christian man after all. Should we cancel him because he wasn't perfect?

Slavery was nothing knew. French (Gauls) and germans were routinely enslaved by Romans.Should we tear down Roman architecture? They were slave holders mind you.

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murder Member	Fri Jan 14 01:44:51 OK so this blew my mind. It turns out it was actually pretty common until ~ a century ago. http://en....s_to_vote_in_the_United_States You really do learn something new every day. :o)
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 01:51:24 Also new information ... North Dakota (a pretty damn red state) doesn't even require people to register to vote.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 02:04:06 Apparently some states even allowed noncitizens to vote in federal elections ... and even to hold office.
Habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 02:15:51 Yes but in context they were also white male landowners. So the pool was already limited. So white male landowners who were residing in the US.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 02:26:51 For federal elections, yes.
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 14 10:43:09 Well those foreigners had to fight in wars too. The Union faced riots in all the major cities by recent immigrants that didn't want to fight. So it seems right that they got the right to vote.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 14 12:35:31 That was back when immigration was good.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 14 13:21:26 Sam is correct. Prior to the early 1800s, your average immigrant was a Protestant from England, Scotland, France, Germany, or Ireland. These were all hard-working, industrious people who had been instilled with the values of Western Civilization and had largely developed a deep mistrust of government by tyranny. This background, together with property requirements that restricted the vote to those who had the biggest investment in the success of the early Republic, meant that citizenship status was less of an issue in the 1700s. The Founders would have been absolutely revolted at the idea of Chinese and Latin American hordes, born and raised in Communist autocracies and having no understanding whatsoever of the principals of good self-government, having the right to vote. Just, no.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 18:52:45 "The Founders would have been absolutely revolted at the idea of Chinese and Latin American hordes ..." The founders were garbage men who thought enslaving other people was acceptable because they could profit from it. Fuck the founders!
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 14 18:58:27 Get out of my country, hombre.
murder Member	Fri Jan 14 19:25:10 Make me.
habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 20:11:53 Actually they only supported enslaving 3/5ths of a person.
habebe Member	Fri Jan 14 20:26:57 But absolutism is silly logic. The Founding fathers helped lay the groundwork to better the lives of many people.That should be enough. Martin Luther King has said some things that by todays standard are considered anti homosexual, he was a Christian man after all. Should we cancel him because he wasn't perfect? Slavery was nothing knew. French (Gauls) and germans were routinely enslaved by Romans.Should we tear down Roman architecture? They were slave holders mind you.
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