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Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 14 03:17:36
Swedish news
500 conscripts were send home in december after it had been revealed that apart from "sexist jargon" between the males, the conscripts were insulted with words such as "stupid", "misfits", "retarded" and "monkey". And now the internal report reveals that sickness and injury had not been taken seriously. Apparently they didn't get enough sleep or food either.

lol I am not making this up :)

My bet is that these reports are being made by people who have no understanding of what war is and just join the military because they have a chip on their shoulders. Woman that is :P

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Asgard
Member
Fri Jan 14 03:38:19
Oh god, a while conscription battalion of AJ4As
Asgard
Member
Fri Jan 14 03:38:41
Whole*
Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 14 03:38:59
This may actually be the downfall of western civilization....that and pre sliced bread.

We quiver at the people we expect to go kill people so that we may live in peace saying mean words.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 06:45:34
Nimi
Refresh my memory. The last war Sweden was in happened when exactly?

I have been following that for *reasons*

The actual problem is with extremely weak leadership. The unit has basically been shut down for personnel reasignment.

The 500 given leave are just a symptom of what basically is a destroyed unit.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 14 07:38:25
1814.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 08:08:30
Sad that the hard-earned experience from 1814 is going to be degraded.

My thoughts and prayers.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 14 08:19:27
I actually agree with jergul here.

The last war that Sweden participated in resulted in the acquisition of Norway.

It is well that war has such terrible outcomes, or we should grow too fond of it.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 14 08:21:46
Jergul
I honestly have no idea what you are on about.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 08:34:13
Ruggy
Gaining Norway had nothing to do with actual combat activity. More a nice thank you to a French General who opted to not help out Napoleon.

Nimi
The teasing part, or the part about a unit in disarray?
murder
Member
Fri Jan 14 08:47:27

I sense a cold war brewing between Norway and Sweden. :o)

jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 09:09:24
The cold brew part is prolly true.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 14 10:20:27
Jergul
You need to have a romantic view of war to join the military, but fundamentally the will to die and the will to kill. Never wondered why there are so few women interested in the game of war? They just don't find it interesting, they even tell you bluntly how stupid it is. But as part of a social contagion and grand standing, they will join the military and then proceed to redecorate it as if it is their fiances house. APPALLED by the activities that men engage in and have engaged in since the dawn of warfare. And so these activities that are designed to serve their own purpose are undermined, sometimes fatally.
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 14 10:25:05
^ okay, that was pretty based. Lol
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 10:57:27
Nimi
First off, the unit in question was C4, "samband", so not even combat. What people join to avoid combat.

Secondly, verbal abuse by officers is highly unprofessional. That is an NCO job. It fits into a pattern of "destructive leadership" that will see the unit upper echelon restaffed.

You chose the wrong hill to die on so to speak.

Thirdly, conscription. Most people join the military because it is a civic duty.

Also, it may be true of ME cultures that women want to redecorate, but women in combat in European cultures are. See USSR combat roles during WWII for some truly horrendous examples.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 14 11:27:31
It’s not exlusive to the unit in this story.

Russia does not have these issues. It is unapologetically patriarchal.

For examples of ME women in combat, the most recent example would be the Kurdish Peshmerga. Israel also comes to mind. But there were women in the Islamic military before Sweden allowed female conscripts. Though all of this is window dressing.

It’s not about ”women” as a group but selecting for attributes that are discordant with the task.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Jan 14 11:30:59
I personally welcome our new chinese overlords.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 14 11:59:13
And by the way, the concept "man cave" is a thing in western countries, precisely because what I said is true. I once foolishly asked a female colleague, "well what do you women have?", she said it's called the rest of the house!

So, by the looks of things, you have foolishly charged up a fortified hill, without any battle plans :)
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 12:39:50
Nimi
You abandoned the hill. The unit in question is a non-combat communications unit that was horrendously lead. Are you returning to that hill to fight it out there, or do you concede it? Noting also that Sweden still has a form of conscription and is a country that has not been at war since 1814.

Joining the Swedish military with an expectation of fighting is delusional to the point of rendering such a person unfit for service.

jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 12:44:49
A better example might be the soldiers medivaced out of Iraq to Germany because a few missiles landed near their base and they got headaches.

Falluja 2004 was the last time the US was actually willing to *gasp* lose soldiers at a statistically significant rate.

The gamification of combat has been quite extensive in western countries.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Jan 14 12:58:01
The article is indicative of a larger trend, it is not exclusive to this unit I wrote.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 14 14:29:59
The larger trend of being wossies and not wanting soldiers to die?

Acceptable casualty rates at battalion level in combat was 2% a day for the US during WWII.

It would not be 2% per year today.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 14 15:15:45
There is a plan B , you know.

We call it the 2nd amendment.
Habebe
Member
Fri Jan 14 15:41:10
Honestly civilian Americans probably deal with more armed combat than any western European country.

What current army could take Southside Chicago? In Kensington the zombies would steal the invading soldiers rations to buy more fentanyl.

How about Apalacia? These folks don't want OUR government walking around their mountains and are quick to the trigger, could you imagine a Swedish force?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Jan 15 05:17:58
"The larger trend of being wossies and not wanting soldiers to die?"

This is proportional to the threat and would solve it self provided a big enough threat. No the larger trend of undermining important institutions because it is politically expedient.
jergul
large member
Sat Jan 15 08:10:22
But right now everyone in the west is wossy. So how exactly has the institution been undermined since it will solve itself given a big enough threat?

Habebe
Plan B is nuking the world and inflicting a mass extinction event.

The only question is if that is an inevitable part of the Holocene. Blackbird researchers of the future will certainly ponder the fossil remains in the geological strata we are making.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Jan 15 09:15:51
No everyone no, these are all political decisions. There may be fewer people who are willing, but the problem is fewer are selected to begin with to fill an already downsized military. So it is shooting yourself in the foot when you already lost the other one in an accident.

You are talking about two different things. One the social and mental state of society becoming pussified and the other allowing the pussification (or other kinds of stupidity) to undermine the material and organizational readiness and effectiveness of institutions. You can find an analog in readiness to deal with a pandemic. So the question is, how painful a lesson does it need to be and if you survive the "lesson" when the shit hits the fan. What were you busy doing in peace time?

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Jan 15 09:59:11
Preparing for eternal peace is the answer right now.
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