Utopia Talk / Politics / Anti-vaxxer Meat Loaf died of covid

murder Member	Fri Jan 21 08:38:58 According to TMZ ... TMZ @TMZ Meat Loaf, one of the greatest rock singers of all time, has died at the age of 74 from COVID-19. http://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1484486268033638400 Of course they also accuse him of being one of the greatest rock singers of all time, so the report is a little suspect. :o)
murder Member	Fri Jan 21 08:45:15 Apparently Meat Loaf was attempting to reach the safe internal cooking temperature of 160 degrees, unaware that you die long before you get anywhere near there.
Paramount Member	Fri Jan 21 08:52:37 It’s too late for him to take the vaccine shot now.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 21 08:55:53 "Anti-vaxxer" The only info I could find on this was that Meatloaf had previously spoken negatively about vaccine MANDATES in Australia. No one knows what his actual vaccination status was. This is a redefinition of the term "anti vaxxer" that the left has been pushing lately, and its so fucked up. Being against vaccine mandates doesn't make you an anti-vax; the two are completely different.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 21 08:57:14 This isn't rocket science. I'm not against getting the vaccine shot. I am against the idea that the government can force you to get the shot. That doesn't make me anti-vax, much as murder and other communists would want to believe.
Paramount Member	Fri Jan 21 08:59:44 ”spoken negatively about vaccine MANDATES in Australia. No one knows what his actual vaccination status was.” If no one knows we can presume that he wasn’t vaccinated.
murder Member	Fri Jan 21 09:02:59 "The only info I could find on this was that Meatloaf had previously spoken negatively about vaccine MANDATES in Australia. No one knows what his actual vaccination status was." Yeah I was pondering individual freedom in Australia the other day too ... No wait I wasn't.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 21 09:34:14 "Yeah I was pondering individual freedom in Australia the other day too ... No wait I wasn't." No one has ever accused you of being knowledgeable about world affairs.
nhill Member	Fri Jan 21 09:47:33 Or caring about individual freedom, for that matter. :p
murder Member	Fri Jan 21 10:11:34 "No one has ever accused you of being knowledgeable about world affairs." Yeah I'm sure there was one single other thing that Meat Loaf knew about Australian politics.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 21 10:16:06 Murder 50% of what you leftists believe* revolves around the idea that America sucks because it's not more like the rest of the world. You can't then claim that world affairs are irrelevant when conservatives point out "hey, the rest of the world kind of sucks; this is really what you want us to be more like?" (*the other 50% of what you believe revolves around America being structurally racist to its very core. Because you hate America)
murder Member	Fri Jan 21 10:18:51 "Or caring about individual freedom, for that matter." I can't take seriously anyone making noise about individual liberty as the be all ... while living in society. One of the primary selling points of grouping together is safety in numbers. It shouldn't be a surprised that endangering the group will get you expelled or otherwise sanctioned.
murder Member	Fri Jan 21 10:29:43 "50% of what you leftists believe* revolves around the idea that America sucks because it's not more like the rest of the world." I can't speak for leftists, but > than 50% of what I believe is that America sucks because we have large numbers of horrible people and large numbers of horrible people in power. I don't know a whole hell of a lot about the rest of the world aside from being 100% sure that I'm not going there.
kargen Member	Fri Jan 21 13:17:29 "If no one knows we can presume that he wasn’t vaccinated." Or he isn't so insecure he needs to wave around his vaccination status to try and feel superior to others. If anybody that hasn't asked knows that you have been vaccinated then you are probably a smug insecure asshat.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 21 22:08:07 if he was vaccinated i'm sure Fox will make every effort to learn it so they can report it to cast (more) doubt on the vaccines
kargen Member	Sat Jan 22 21:21:29 This cracks me up that you fall so hard for the propaganda. Most at FOX were/are pro vaccine but against the mandates. I know... you read a couple of tweets about Tucker and took a leap of faith. You are not just uninformed. You are ill-informed. Many of FOX do go out of their way to point out the vaccine came about so quick thanks to President Trump. They were supporting the vaccine when VP Harris was still saying she wouldn't trust it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 22 22:10:41 bullshit, they broadly undermined it, then when it became obvious to all (except you) that large #'s of R's weren't taking it, apparently some at Fox felt guilty (or Fox feared lawsuits) & started promoting it
kargen Member	Sun Jan 23 00:52:41 It is amazing you don't just lie on the floor sucking your thumb with how fucked up your imaginary world is.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 23 01:01:03 why are so many R politicians (& Fox hosts) afraid to say if they've been vaccinated? if Fox (& supposedly Trump) have been gung-ho for the vaccine since the start, where is this shame coming from?
Habebe Member	Sun Jan 23 01:15:05 TW, Honestly I think its a mix of implied political lash back and not wanting to help Biden or appear to do so for political reasons. FOX is not the most trustworthy news site, especially when they are motivated to make mountains out of mole hills for clicks and views.Just like many other news orgs. Trump has actually made fun of such behaviour.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jan 23 03:11:26 [tw]: "bullshit, they broadly undermined it, then when it became obvious to all (except you) that large #'s of R's weren't taking it, apparently some at Fox felt guilty (or Fox feared lawsuits) & started promoting it" It's unfortunate to be this angry from a place of being so wrong. Sadly for this perspective, mountains of evidence goes against it: Fox has been clear from the beginning that they will act as a private business by having internal dose and test protocols for their employees, and they have advocated for shots openly — even against an avalanche of complaints from their viewership (YouTube comments were calling for a boycott of FoxNews). DNC propaganda has, unfortunately, capitalized on people's distrust of shots by attempting to align it with a political party and Facebook movements (rather than the truth: that people who distrust the government make up the largest bulk of the hesitant — even among DNC voters). The nuance that DNC propaganda crushed for their false narrative enters from particular Fox hosts being willing to state that they think people should get dosed but who also think that the government should not be mandating it. DNC propaganda wants people to believe that being against mandates is synonymous with science denial and every other fallacy of association that they can glue to that issue, so this nuance was leveled very conveniently for them. .. [murder]: "I can't take seriously anyone making noise about individual liberty as the be all ... while living in society. One of the primary selling points of grouping together is safety in numbers." Luckily, the United States was not founded on "safety in numbers" but on securing the Blessings of Liberty. A society founded on "safety in numbers" is one destined to debase itself through any means that would grant it safety — a society of this weakness will find few people of character willing to support it, thus the "security" that it tries to build will turn into totalitarian horrors. .. [Rugian]: "This is a redefinition of the term "anti vaxxer" that the left has been pushing lately, and its so fucked up. Being against vaccine mandates doesn't make you an anti-vax; the two are completely different." Exactly. But I think it's waking more people up. The propagandized on Imgur were at first mourning Meat Loaf's death, but once news spread about him potentially being "anti-vax", his death was memory-holed. This is different from the usual "HermanCainAward" method: if a celebrity is found to be against mandates, they typically get the "damnatio memoriae" treatment of total revisionism and purging from the DNC-collective. Jim Breuer got this treatment when he was unwilling to perform at venues that required guests to show proof of pharma-compliance. That single move made him an enemy of the collective, and all of his works were re-evaluated for heresy. With Breuer, people could justify this kind of Salem logic since they could just say, "[He was never that funny anyways.]" But, with Meat Loaf, people remember how he made them feel with his music ("At the end of the day people won't remember what you said or did, they will remember how you made them feel."). The Party is now asking people to ignore how Meat Loaf made them feel so that he can be a target of the Two Minutes Hate, but The Party's hate must compete directly with those feelings. It's more convenient for them to memory-hole that. The people who loved Meat Loaf's music but who were conditioned to hate the "anti-vax" may otherwise realize that perhaps virtuous people do not all agree with The Party after all. The Party will, of course, do its work to assuage the cognitive dissonance of its useful persons. They will likely tell them that Meat Loaf was wrong to make them feel good — that he did so from a malevolent place. They will find any way they can to ruin his life so that the useful do not see beyond the Party veil. It could be like an interesting test case like 2004's "The Forgotten": can you make people forget that they loved someone?
Average Ameriacn Member	Sun Jan 23 04:23:03 Everybody who denies the Trump vaccine deserves what he gets.
patom Member	Sun Jan 23 06:36:18 Let's rescind all government health mandates. Open up special hospitals for the freedom lovers anti-government anti-mask, anti-vaccine, anti-clean water, anti-clean air people. Staff these hospitals with Typhoid, TB, Leper, Covid carrying nurses and doctors. Typhoid carriers could man the food service. Covid & TB carriers could be highly involved in all things raspatory. Lepers could be highly involved in massage therapy. People could go back to the glorious days when open sewers flowed down the streets and into our rivers. FREEDOM!! MERICA!!
murder Member	Sun Jan 23 07:39:18 "Luckily, the United States was not founded on "safety in numbers"" I think you need to review American history. This nation was absolutely founded on the basis of safety in numbers. Not that it matters since I was talking about society in general. People have a choice to live alone in the wild. Few people choose to.
murder Member	Sun Jan 23 07:41:25 "We must all hang together, or we shall all hang separately."
patom Member	Sun Jan 23 08:43:22 "We must all hang together, or we shall all hang separately." Not any more.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 23 12:03:26 i don't really care what Fox does internally, i have no doubt they know they push bullshit on their viewers i'm not going to hunt down comments, but Tucker has definitely repeatedly cast doubt on vaccine (& he's top-rated show), same for Laura Ingraham (who is #4 i believe), plus multiple guests like Candace Owens i'm sure there's been others and even when just being against the mandate (which is fine) it's going to lead to discouraging vaccine when you say 'it's about control' or other rhetoric giving impression getting vaccine is submitting to the evil liberal agenda (like the 'Do Not Comply' merchandise... can you wear that vaxxed & not feel like a 'cuck'?)
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 23 12:05:36 Lol, what a dodge. Tumbleweed is just straight up peddling fake news in this thread.
murder Member	Sun Jan 23 12:51:40 "Not any more." It's OK. We're not worried about the UK invading anymore.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 23 13:06:38 That logic is so asinine. Should we also lock down the country and force people to shoot experimental drugs in their arms every flu season? We need to sTaNd ToGeThEr with the 50,000 old people who die from flu, after all. Stop selling your pearl-clutching histrionics as some form of patriotism.
kargen Member	Sun Jan 23 15:23:27 Not only do you not care about what FOX does internally you also don't care about reality in general. You live in a false reality and anything that even remotely goes against that reality causes you such mental anguish you retreat even farther into your delusions.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 23 15:45:16 you're the one who denied a partisan divide in vaccinations
kargen Member	Sun Jan 23 16:41:08 Good example of your delusions shaping your memories. I have never denied a partisan divide. In fact I admitted the liberals were saying do not trust the vaccine when President Trump was still in office. Beyond that I don't remember weighing in one way or the other on why people are against the vaccine.
murder Member	Sun Jan 23 21:11:10 "with the 50,000 old people who die from flu" 900,000 > 50,000 "Stop selling your pearl-clutching histrionics as some form of patriotism." I'm not a patriot. Patriotism is for suckers and morons. I don't give a fuck about 1/2 of the country. And if covid was only killing the Ayn Rand sociopaths, I'd root for the virus. A regular culling is probably good for the country. But the weak and the sick aren't the ones we'd be better off without.
Pillz Member	Wed Jan 26 06:24:42 Semi annual, mandated vaccinations for life! Fight corona! Fucking dumb Mexican
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