Utopia Talk / Politics / Canada tracked 33 million people

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 23 15:13:03 Uhm, did we talk about this? I must have missed the thread. http://nyp...illion-phones-during-lockdown/ Canada’s federal government admitted to secretly surveilling its population’s movements during the COVID-19 lockdown by tracking 33 million phones. The Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) clandestinely tracked the devices to assess “the public’s responsiveness during lockdown measures,” the agency acknowledged last week, according to Blacklock’s Reporter, which first reported the disclosure.
murder Member	Sun Jan 23 21:04:03 They've only got 38 million! :o)
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jan 23 23:05:13 Western capitalism was so awesome that nearly every canadian old enough has an infinite-knowledge-device in their pockets.
murder Member	Sun Jan 23 23:24:43 Maybe it's because I literally grew up under surveillance, but I just don't understand why everyone flips out over minor government intrusions for the public good. WTF is everyone up to that they are worried about the government finding out about? I don't know about other countries, but most Americans have absolutely no problem with cops harassing some guys for hanging out on the sidewalk "looking suspicious" ... but freak out to find out that the government is keeping an eye on them too. Spoiler alert: If your government has the technical capability of surveilling everyone ... then they 100% are.
Habebe Member	Sun Jan 23 23:56:59 "Maybe it's because I literally grew up under surveillance" Well, your name is murder... "but I just don't understand why everyone flips out over minor government intrusions for the public good." Because they have a bad track record of abusing their authority. Plus as an American (US) I feel that fear of government overreach is engrained in us more than most. Canada is pretty liberal, IDK why the secrecy.
murder Member	Mon Jan 24 00:11:10 "Well, your name is murder..." People just don't think these baby names through. ;o) "Because they have a bad track record of abusing their authority." Abuse it how?
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 24 00:59:28 Are you asking how governments abuse authority of disregarding privacy or how Canada would in this particular case?
murder Member	Mon Jan 24 05:16:56 The first part.
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 24 05:37:34 Do you want the whole list or just the top ten? There is a good reason we have a bill of rights.Tyrants through out history have sought to arbitrarily abuse the citizenry. For modern day abuses more apt just look to China. Fauci epitomizes the well meaning civil servant who thinks they know better so much that they havw no problem lying id they think thw outcome will be better. With more information the risk amplifies. Look at all of the middle eastern men the US alphabet boys had illegally violated said rights and entrapped them for crimes they wouldn't have done with that information. How many black men in the past have had their homes broken into unjustly? What if that info got hacked by a foreign government or criminal orginization? I mean I could go on and on.
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 24 05:41:28 Not to mention the sanctity of privacy for privacy's sake.
Seb Member	Mon Jan 24 06:24:57 Nim: "The PHAC bought location and movement data from Canadian telecom giant Telus to “understand possible links between the movement of populations within Canada and the spread of COVID-19,” an agency spokesperson said, according to the paper." Location and movement data is routinely sold by telecoms providers - Normally they sell information in aggregate rather than on an individualised basis. The language here is somewhat sensationalised. It's not covert or surveillance. Surveillance implies they can identify individuals directly rather than aggregate data. That said you can at relevant granularities start to identify people e.g. if I know bob lives alone at such and such address, and a phone is moving from that address every morning and returning at night, then I know that is probably bob. As I've said before, the companies that run our digital infrastructure know a hell of a lot about us and are free to monetise it in many ways. It is not so much secret as unpublicised.
murder Member	Mon Jan 24 06:28:32 "Look at all of the middle eastern men the US alphabet boys had illegally violated said rights and entrapped them for crimes they wouldn't have done with that information." There's no such thing as entrapment. That is some bullshit lawyers made up because "the devil made me do it" wasn't working in court. "How many black men in the past have had their homes broken into unjustly?" That's not a violation of privacy. In fact often times that is the result of the police having erroneous information. "What if that info got hacked by a foreign government or criminal orginization?" They'd find out what time of day you go for an erotic massage???
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 24 06:55:44 Murder, Are you just trolling?
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 24 08:05:40 murder Member Sun Jan 23 23:24:43 "Maybe it's because I literally grew up under surveillance" And this is why unfettered immigration from countries that hold values that are incompatible with ours is a bad thing. Holy shit murder.
murder Member	Mon Jan 24 08:09:40 That's completely retarded. Pre-Castro Cuba was the opposite of having values incompatible with ours. Also it was the CIA training that worried the feds and local law enforcement.
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