Utopia Talk / Politics / shit about Shit & his shit associates#11

tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jan 25 13:21:06 [responding to last thread] Trump is definitely loyal to Russia, never a single bad word for Putin, only constant praise & defense... when he loved insulting so many (plus so much other evidence) i don't know why you can't see it, but it doesn't matter any more, Trump himself is a way bigger threat than Russia there is no indication at all Biden's pipeline choice is to benefit Russia & he is NOT constantly praising & defending Russia, so the idea that Biden is the real Russia friend is utterly ridiculous as for the cobalt mine, i see nothing about its purpose being for nuclear weapons (though i only briefly looked)... also China already has nuclear weapons and on the seniority issue for committee members, my problem is w/ the fucking idiots he wants to lead the committees (himself (Gaetz), Greene, Boebert & Cawthorn) all distinguished idiots & cultists
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 25 13:27:19 Biden's decision may have been to befriend Germany, but the reality is that it is a HUGE benefit for Russia with zero benefit for us. I'll agree that I wouldn't want Greene being given a committee seat. I dont mind Boebert or Gaetz.No idea who cawthorn is. But yeah in general I agree that sort of person shouldn't be the leaders.
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 25 13:37:36 The Cobalt AFAIK is for manufacturing purposes (smart phones, tvs etc.) But it could be used for nuclear purposes. Do I think it's a treasonous act or something? No. But it's not that good either.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jan 25 14:32:31 this was the first article that came up from googling "hunter biden cobalt mine" (not familiar w/ the outlet, but doesn't seem written in biased fashion): http://www...and-the-cobalt-mine-explained/ i see no actual evidence Hunter was even involved, just R's speculating... and given the -total bullshit- story about Hillary & Uranium One & R's claiming she was completely responsible when it was an impossibility that she could be & quite possibly had no involvement at all, i have no faith whatsoever in R speculation on this similar sounding story but investigate, as they must, & try to spin the likely nothing they find into something
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 25 15:15:05 Ive never heard about the uranium mine.
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 25 15:20:45 Hunter Biden’s investment firm helped broker a 2016 deal that gave a Chinese state-backed company control of a massive African mine rich in cobalt — a mineral essential for the production of electric car batteries. The deal, first reported by the Washington Free Beacon during the 2020 presidential campaign, was spotlighted by the New York Times Saturday as Congress inches closer to approving President Biden’s $2 trillion social spending plan, which earmarks billions of dollars to promote electric vehicles. In 2016, an investment firm founded by Hunter Biden with several Chinese partners was cut into a complex $3.8 billion transaction that transferred 80 percent of Congo’s Tenke Fungurum mine from an American company to Beijing-backed China Molybdenum. President Joe Biden, Hunter Biden’s father, was the sitting vice president when the deal was struck. NEWS Hunter Biden’s firm helped China gain control of electric-car mineral: report By Mary Kay Linge November 20, 2021 | 8:02pm Hunter Biden's investment firm reportedly struck a deal to transfer the majority of Congo's Tenke Fungurum mine to a Chinese company in 2016. Stephen Yang Hunter Biden’s investment firm helped broker a 2016 deal that gave a Chinese state-backed company control of a massive African mine rich in cobalt — a mineral essential for the production of electric car batteries. The deal, first reported by the Washington Free Beacon during the 2020 presidential campaign, was spotlighted by the New York Times Saturday as Congress inches closer to approving President Biden’s $2 trillion social spending plan, which earmarks billions of dollars to promote electric vehicles. In 2016, an investment firm founded by Hunter Biden with several Chinese partners was cut into a complex $3.8 billion transaction that transferred 80 percent of Congo’s Tenke Fungurum mine from an American company to Beijing-backed China Molybdenum. President Joe Biden, Hunter Biden’s father, was the sitting vice president when the deal was struck. The mine is one of the world’s largest sources of cobalt — and China’s control of the mineral “presents a critical vulnerability to the future of the U.S. domestic auto industry,” Biden’s White House reported in June. A White House spokesman said that Joe Biden had no knowledge of his son’s involvement with the sale, the Times reported. http://www...ectric-car-mineral-report/amp/
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 25 15:34:27 Political calls the uranium mine story "mostly false" but if you read their explanation Id say its mostly true. Their argument is that she didnt act alone and that many other people (although it doesn't say how many, atleast 7 or so secretaries) were involved. But key facts the left wing* politics claims is true 1.She sat on the CFIUS board as the sec. of state and voted in favor of the sale. 2. It was about 20% of US uranium proven reserves. But they point out 11% of production, not sure why that matters. 3. Russian state ROSATOM owns it, 100%. 4. The parties involved* in the sale did donate 145 million to the Clinton Foundation. *It doesn't say which parties involved.But considering political they wouldn't. It sounds like that shit happened. http://www...g-hillary-clinton-uranium-rus/
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Jan 25 15:56:26 http://pbs...WYAAc9X6?format=jpg&name=small
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jan 25 16:09:15 that's a lot of "Hunter Biden's investment firm" mentions, making it sounds like it's his it's a Chinese firm... but yes, Hunter a co-founder (along w/ some other Americans), Hunter w/ a 10% stake... though i've seen nothing suggesting Hunter had anything at all to do w/ the cobalt mine deal (though haven't looked hard either) as for Uranium One, yes the State Dept is one of many departments who had to sign off on it... she claimed she tasked some other person to review it, not hard to believe that she wasn't personally doing it... but in any case, many big departments signed off on it so she can't possibly be responsible whereas the right repeatedly claimed she was responsible not mentioning all the rest... & insinuating the charity donations were bribes (there was misinfo about the donations too, but don't recall the specifics at the moment)
murder Member	Tue Jan 25 16:25:08 I find it pretty funny that people talk seriously about the Vice President using his influence to help his son land a deal ... as if Vice Presidents had any pull at all. Vice Presidents are the 1st runner up in a beauty pageant. Their job is to break ties in the Senate and to otherwise stay alive just in case the President cannot fulfill his duties as Miss America.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jan 25 17:41:53 QAnon Marge says Biden wants to go to war with Russia because Ukraine “has the dirt on Hunter Biden.” (& himself) http://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1486106203080073219 such awesome amounts of brainpower in there
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jan 25 17:47:53 which echoes what Don 'collusion' Jr said recently: "Will it ultimately be Hunter’s lucrative and shady AF business dealings in Ukraine that gets us into a war with Russia?" Don 'collusion' Jr being this guy... http://twitter.com/chbrkr/status/1485361388369362947 hero of the cult
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 26 01:01:47 "The mRNA COVID vaccines need to be withdrawn from the market. No one should get them. No one should get boosted. No one should get double boosted. They are a dangerous and ineffective product at this point." ~ Tucker guest w/ history of being contrarian on Covid issues (Fox almost gave him a show called "COVID Contrarian") "so you say it's ineffective... and that's demonstrable to anybody who lives in this country, everyone you know who's had it [vaccine], ya know, has had covid..." ~ Tucker http://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1486154086877650945 does that count as discouraging vaccine?
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 01:15:46 "that's a lot of "Hunter Biden's investment firm" mentions, making it sounds like it's his" Well he was a founding member, its not like he was just working at another firm, he is an owner and a founding member to boot. ------ As for Uranium one, That shit seems she does than a two dollar hooker. The people involved just decided out of the goodness of their hearts to donate $145 MILLION fucking dollars! If Trump was in the position HRC was and suddenly received $145 million, we all know what you would think.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 26 01:23:30 Hillary didn’t get the money, her charity did, and the bulk came from a guy known for being a philanthropist (and I think it was when he was no longer even a part of the business or something... I know there was gross misleading about the donations too) plus there’s still the obstacle that she had no ability to approve it on her own (and no evidence or reason to believe she was arm twisting 8? other department heads to approve against their will, which would’ve looked real weird)
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 01:25:52 "does that count as discouraging vaccine?" For the guest? Absolutely. He is dangerous whackjob, its a good thing they gave him enough rope to hang himself on a platform that reaches an audience. How dare he talk about the Trump vaccine that way.
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 01:27:58 TW, If Trump was in that position, we know your conclusion. These other 6 secretaries, all colleagues of hers, she isnt a dumb woman.
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 03:51:46 On June 29, 2010, Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin and which was promoting Uranium One stock, paid Bill Clinton $500,000 for a speech in Moscow shortly after the Rosatom acquisition of Uranium One was announced.[20][21] From Wiki....just another coincidence I guess.
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 03:57:34 On April 23, 2015, The New York Times reported that during the acquisition, the family foundation of Uranium One's chairman, Ian Telfer, made $2.35 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation.[28] The donations were legal but not publicly disclosed by the Clinton Foundation, despite an agreement with the White House to disclose all contributors.[29
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 26 12:05:02 i'm really glad i mentioned Uranium One :p and it -would- be different with Trump Hillary's charity is an end point charity that actually does the charity work Trump's 'charity' was a personal slush fund, he used the donations by others to benefit himself... such as donating it on to other charities to get them to hold events at his places where he charged top dollar, or paying off legal fines, or buying portraits of himself the R theory is every head of our government was willing to sell out our national interests as Hillary wanted charity money... even though zero evidence of any of it, just scouring donations to the massive charity & deciding they were bribes (& not worried about the timing)... & of course they don't mention that it required all those other heads to approve
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 26 12:15:03 "my father sat there 24 hours a day and fought for the United States best interests" ~ Eric Trump (guest on Fox News for some reason) http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1486131535266807809 all public behavior suggests otherwise (& reported private behavior)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 26 12:40:44 "The US Senate needs to filibuster, stall, delay and hold Biden’s Supreme Court pick until 2024." ~ Wendy Rogers (one of AZ's GOP / traitors) (& presumably she means 2025)
murder Member	Wed Jan 26 12:59:43 "my father sat there 24 hours a day and fought for the United States best interests" By "there" I assume he means on Trump's golden throne in Mar-a-Lago between rounds of golf.
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 13:27:26 "Hillary's charity is an end point charity that actually does the charity work" Which probably pushes her political shit as well.At the very least. ----- Im glad you brought up Uranium 1, I dont know how I missed this before. But, it is what it is. At the very least though, you have to admit it could easily be perceived* as shady. I'll drop it for now though.
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 13:30:25 Murder, There is a hilarious video with lewis black on the daily show where he pushes the idea (jokingly) for Trump 2012. He shows to pictures of gaudy gold buildings and asks which one is Sadaam Hussein's and which is Donald Trump's....Its really a mist watch.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 26 13:38:21 "At the very least though, you have to admit it could easily be perceived* as shady" yes, that's why they manufactured the story based on no evidence at all
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 26 19:15:18 oh no! a cartoon character you're never thinking about has one new outfit... at one park... in France... http://twi...ial/status/1486505074746605576 "Disney is totally changing Minnie Mouse" ~ Fox host "they're trying to destroy fabrics of our society" ~ crazy woman
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 27 11:45:27 not sure how they looped Hillary in, or why they are -still- talking about Hillary... (or M&Ms... or Minnie): http://pbs...VUAEsvjZ?format=jpg&name=large of note on Minnie Mouse, it's just at France for an anniversary celebration, i've seen absolutely nothing about it being because anyone found her dress offensive & they also have her in another dress outfit anyway, so the story is TOTAL BULLSHIT, there is no woke change to a cartoon character (& no destruction of the fabric of society) and if Tucker can't get it up looking at the new outfit, she still has dresses, including the red one
Habebe Member	Thu Jan 27 11:56:41 TW, Yeah, slow news day, manufactured outrage to a silly degree.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 29 01:41:14 Michele Bachmann says Sarah Palin should be commended for eating at a restaurant while having COVID (on smug asshole's show): http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1487220560073351168 so, now even if testing positive, still do nothing, and in fact try to infect others commendable!
Pillz Member	Sat Jan 29 04:02:02 Considering US (and Canadian, and European) policy is to only isolate for 5-7 days and there's no research to support such a short isolation period (all indications are that vaccines do not shorten infectious window with Omicron), I don't see why Sarah Palin should be criticized? Just because you and murder and Seb get illogically warm and fuzzy at the idea of obeying stupid government mandates that don't work, doesn't mean that anyone else has to fall in line with your delusion
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 29 12:24:50 how about gov't mandates have absolutely no relevance here i don't know what day Palin became infected, but Michele Bachmann is stating Palin -has Covid- (a very infectious illness) & still praising Palin for going to an (indoor) restaurant to eat w/ people she apparently does not care about as you have to be an asshole to do that to them & everyone else in the restaurant it's been clear that wing of the cult has wanted to put no effort into helping from the start, but apparently now wanting to actively harm when infected (& i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Palin one of the ones criticizing Biden for failing to get covid under control)
Habebe Member	Sat Jan 29 13:11:28 I partly agree with TW on this, but its Omicron, and vaxed people should be just fine.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 29 13:28:26 yes, they likely won't die... but still being a total asshole ----------------- at Trump rally, a woman wearing a box says literally all she did every day for 5 years was read Trump's tweets: http://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1487500674464202757 (yes i read them too, but it didn't take all day :p... & it certainly did not give me a positive view of the piece of shit child fraud)
Habebe Member	Sat Jan 29 13:33:56 I'll agree it shouldn't be praised.That seems wierd.Like we shouldn't be encouraging this even if it was the flu, right? Like that seems like common sense.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 29 13:44:43 agreed... i'll bet smug asshole (Jesse Watters) didn't disagree though ---------- also at Trump rally, said to RSBN (cult news): "I think that people should stop listening to the media and watch y’all’s stuff because y’all don’t lie about anything, and watch Republican news. I mean there's some news networks that are just Democrat & they're brainwashing the people." ~ some brainwashed dink... who sounds like Glenn Greenwald
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 29 18:48:40 Gov. Hey Abbot saying "Donald J. Trump" over & over: http://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1487586938655850496 perhaps gets paid by the mention or something ...brought to you by Carl's Jr.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 29 21:52:12 “our country and our elections are corrupt” ~ a former ‘president’... that’s the only hint I’m giving said after urging massive protests if any of the many prosecutors investigating his crimes do anything illegal* *legality determined by him, not actual laws, as usual
Habebe Member	Sat Jan 29 21:58:10 Trump is morphing into this odd political influencer role that, I don't remember ever having in US politics before. Him losing may have been a blessing in disguise. His negatives have been softened by short term political memories and Biden and the Dems grow less popular by the day.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 29 23:15:28 very close to super villain too asking his massive cult to riot if the law tries to punish him for his life of fraud
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 30 14:26:57 statement by Marjorie Greene attacking Lindsey Graham: http://pbs...oAQomkC?format=jpg&name=medium ^Lindsey apparently supports criminals being punished, & also voted for Biden nominees & infrastructure bill thus making him an enemy of Trump & his cult that's how she sees things... that's how the cult sees things what remains to be seen is size of cult vs those just putting up w/ the insanity
Habebe Member	Sun Jan 30 14:33:26 Well, Lindsey Graham is a turd though. Id be fine if he defected to the democrats.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 30 15:01:44 Seriously tw, who else do you want us to defend while you're at it? Tekashi69? OJ Simpson? Hitler?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 30 15:25:02 not asking you to defend Lindsey Graham, but to take note of the extremely dangerous cult the cult was booing & calling Gov Hey Abbott a RINO too, btw (as Trump criticized him for not pushing for enough 'audits')... so many RINOs... their loyalty is 100% to one piece of shit 'man' & their size is massive
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 30 15:26:28 more boycotts ordered: "AT&T is closing the very popular One America News Network (OAN) because too many people are watching. They couldn’t put up with that any longer. Conservatives/Republicans should boycott Direct TV, and while you’re at it “Concast’s” Xfinity as well. These are Radical Left Lunatics who are destroying our Nation!" ~ obvious what will the nation do without OANN...
Habebe Member	Sun Jan 30 15:54:39 OAN is a network that decided they could make money by being a Trump propaganda channel.... Back to other fake news http://twi...?t=rIfJXJU6_Ikdqk9Qcb-glA&s=19 CNN is ranting how they are angry that people crave Joe Rogan and "wanting news that is bad for them" Wow....just wow.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 30 18:39:26 " If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had “absolutely no right” to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate, despite fraud and many other irregularities, how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans, like Wacky Susan Collins, are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election? Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election! " ~ the guy who idiots want back in power fucking insane
Habebe Member	Sun Jan 30 19:08:48 He has a point there though, if he lacked said authority , than why change anything? Because the electoral count act while its a reasonable law in its intent, lacks constitutional authority.
Habebe Member	Sun Jan 30 19:08:48 He has a point there though, if he lacked said authority , than why change anything? Because the electoral count act while its a reasonable law in its intent, lacks constitutional authority.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Jan 30 21:29:37 “He has a point there though, if he lacked said authority , than why change anything? ” quit buying his bullshit... there is no chance in hell Pence was allowed to overturn the election I don’t even know what changes they are proposing, though I am certain it’s not that, just that lying fucking asshole making up shit to pretend he was right
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 06:50:53 At the very least the act is ambiguous. I started it own thread. IMHO I think it's a technicality that never got fixed through a constitutional amendment. The 1887 ECA was an attempt to clear things up but it lacks constitutional authority to do so. I'm not going eat up your thread arguing this though, it has itsown thread if your interested.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 31 06:59:49 It is interesting that you are now seeing how the coup could have succeeded. "Yes, unfortunate that Pence was unable to count the electoral votes on the specified day. So now Trump is president again. We are a republic, not a democracy. Suck it, liberals"
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 07:29:44 Not by delaying a vote could the election be changed from what traditionally we hold as the standard practices. When Democrats challenged electors in the past, would you count that as an attempted coup?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 31 07:35:33 Again, the convoluted wording. I am saying that you would firmly support Congress appointing the president if the formal process of electing a president had been disrupted by the coup. "Ah well, I guess it kind of sucks, but the Constitution provided the mechanism for this, so Trump was constitutionally elected as president by congress since Pence could not do his job as the Constitution dictated"
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 07:40:37 Dodging answers you don't want to give. No where in the constitution does it set a time and date, therefore delaying said count makes no real difference.Since the ECA isn't enforceable by the constitution, and its what sets the time constraints your point is moot. You seem to be the one clinging to an unenforceable law.
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 07:43:51 Unless your claim is that they could somehow block the vote legally until March 4th!
jergul large member	Mon Jan 31 08:04:56 What? Not answering a ludicrous attempt at false equivalency is dodging? Here is a protip. Dont be ludicrous if you want answers. "Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January" 20th of January is the final date regardless. See 20th amendment. You need someone as president then by whatever means. If Pence has not certified, then Congress will have to do the job. Or so the coup concept goes.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 31 08:06:18 Congress could argue that failure to count on jan 6th means electing the president then defaults to congress.
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 08:30:48 The absurd coup concept developed by msnbc.
murder Member	Mon Jan 31 08:33:46 "quit buying his bullshit... there is no chance in hell Pence was allowed to overturn the election" He's not buying it, he's selling it. And it's exactly why Republicans are eager to "reform" the Electoral Count Act, and exactly why I oppose it. From the moment it was first proposed it was obvious that it's nothing other than an effort to legitimize Trump & GOP bullshit that the counting of electoral votes is somehow ambiguous ... and therefore Trump & the GOP weren't conspiring to topple the government and install Trump as dictator. Any "reform" should be called the Defense of Right Wing Insurrectionists Act, because that is all it will do, and all that it is intended to do.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 31 08:34:01 An absurd coup concept developed by the Trump administration* FTFY.
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 08:45:50 Murder, Uhm, both parties want to reform it. Me personally? Im of the opinion that it should be reformed through a change to the US Constitution.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 31 11:47:48 "And it's exactly why Republicans are eager to "reform" the Electoral Count Act" i think R's want to do it to pretend they compromised w/ D's and did something meaningful ------- & screwing w/ the electoral count certification was part of multiple Jan 6th schemes to force using the backup method of one vote per state and a known Trump win (as Trump was discussing even before election happened) including one of Jenna Ellis' (traitor lawyer) plans being to send those allegedly 'disputed' electors back to the states & give the legislatures 10? days to settle it, and if not settled then that state didn't count, leading to option #1 above, so it just required the traitor R's in the state legislatures to drag their heels, they didn't need to succeed in chucking votes (& 6 of the 7 states that the Trump team made sure to send in fake electors to help pretend it was disputed have R legislatures w/ plenty of proven traitors) + there was the attempt to have DOJ send letters to those legislatures falsely claiming that FBI suspected mass fraud to help give them ammo to dispute the electors (only disrupted by mass resignation threat, the letter was already drafted by the stooge Trump was planning to install as acting AG) it was an attempt to overthrow election, no doubt about it
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 12:04:18 Curiosity question How do you guys feel about the dems (I think it was Harris) questioning the legitimacy of the upcoming midterms (to Google*) "I'm not saying it's going to be legit," Mr Biden said when asked about the possibility of fraud in the forthcoming elections that will decide the balance of power in Washington. "The increase in the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these reforms passed," the Democratic president continued. Members of his own party quickly pushed back against the suggestion. Maryland Senator Ben Cardin said new Republican state voting laws were "very troublesome", but he added of Mr Biden's remarks: "I don't know if I'd use those terms." "We might have a little difference of opinion on that one," West Virginia's Joe Manchin told CNN. It wasn't Harris, it was Biden.
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 12:05:04 Oops, here is the link http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60063594
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 31 12:22:59 it's clear (to me) that he meant "I'm not saying it's going to be _illegitimate_" as he's noting it could be illegitimate under certain circumstances then clarifying he's -not- saying it's going to be, just risk of it if don't pass the legislation yadda yadda video of how he says it: http://twitter.com/TheRightWingM/status/1484197445190004739 but in any case, he was criticized even by real media & press secretary walked it back
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 12:35:21 TW, I remember he did come out to clarify what he meant saying he didn't intend to call them illegitimate. I forget where I seen it though. But going back to his intended statement that basically it is more likley if the voter rights bill doesn't pass ( I think thats fair) Is that him just supporting his bill? Curiosity.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 31 12:49:30 i would say it was him supporting the bill since that's what he was pushing although i wouldn't fault him for being concerned by R behavior in 2020... many were willing to go along w/ Trump, plus that ridiculous 17 state lawsuit to knowingly trash millions of legit votes, w/ the foreknowledge it would made Trump win
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 31 12:53:30 & the R legislatures of AZ & GA have taken away powers of the Sec of State (as they didn't play ball), plus various other changes to give them more control of things
Habebe Member	Mon Jan 31 13:07:27 Speaking of those election laws do you know any sites that have them compiled/listed , especially looking for breakdowns of what they entail. I know like 20 states have passed election integrity laws (called voter suppression laws by MSM) But I want to know what they actually do and in what states. I couldn't find it on Ballotopedia, which does have a lot of good info on other election stuff.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 31 15:20:15 i do not, i know Marc Elias is one of the big name lawyers battling them, he might have some list of what he's challenging somewhere
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 31 18:23:49 apparently some of the docs handed over to Jan 6th from the Nat'l Archives were ripped up & taped back together which confirms the story early on that the fucking idiot w/ many criminal tendencies would rip shit up & that the behavior continued his whole 'presidency'
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 31 18:24:39 ^Jan 6th *committee
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 01 11:29:57 another fraud fundraiser text sent out to the cult by team Fraud: " I have something important to tell you but you CANNOT share this with anyone. I'm hosting a very important lunch in MAR-A-LAGO soon, and I've requested that YOU be my special guest. My team just told me you haven't entered yet. I'll admit that I was disappointed to hear that, but, you're one of my BEST supporters, so I've decided to do something I RARELY DO in the hopes that you'll join me for lunch. I've unlocked an exclusive DOUBLE-ENTY for YOU and YOU ONLY! All you have to do is contribute $50 or more and you'll automatically be entered TWICE to win a trip to have lunch with ME in FLORIDA. " - playing on stupid people's beliefs that he's really talking to them specifically, including the claim he's disappointed in them (used often) - total fraud lie about double entry just for them plus there's question if anyone ever wins these things: http://amp...-dinner-meal-donors-win-prizes would not be the least bit surprising if they don't
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 01 11:34:19 seems like violating the 'no purchase necessary' laws too (though haven't seen fine print): you cannot: - Require people to make a purchase in order to enter your promotion. - Allow entrants to increase their chances of winning by making a purchase. maybe THIS will be the thing that brings him down... Al Capone style
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 01 11:48:15 this appears to explain why those voting machine seizing executive orders written: " A report from The New York Times reveals that Trump pressed his lawyer Rudy Giuliani to ask the Department of Homeland Security if it was legally possible for it to seize control of the machines, and also asked Attorney General William Barr if the Justice Department could carry out the same unprecedented task. The Times states that the Giuliani directive took place six weeks after the election, and the Barr meeting happened shortly before that. According to the report, Barr shot down the suggestion, while Giuliani did reach out to the DHS, only to be told he lacked the authority to take control of the voting machines. Trump’s advisers reportedly wrote two drafts of an executive order authorizing the military to oversee the seizure of the machines, at which point Giuliani is said to have abandoned the plans, and persuaded Trump that the military shouldn’t get involved. " http://www...of-voting-machines-report-says
murder Member	Tue Feb 01 11:56:29 "maybe THIS will be the thing that brings him down... Al Capone style" Donald Trump will never be prosecuted for anything. From tax evasion to fraud to stealing from children with cancer to trying to overthrow the government. He will never ever be prosecuted.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 01 12:09:57 most likely... his deal w/ the devil, plus it would be blasted out by the fraudosphere as being purely political despite his life of criminal activity, plus Trump now wielding his cult as a threat of violence (guy who has condemned the heaps of death threats by his cult zero times)
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 12:17:42 Murder, The true Teflon Don.
Rugian Member	Tue Feb 01 19:07:52 Here's Bill Maher calling out insane leftists who support things like canceling "problematic" Dr. Seuss books. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdJOLMgY4p0 Maher is right, of course. But I recall a certain someone who spent a good number of posts on here claiming that this was a total non-problem that conservatives were insane to cry foul on (just like CRT, another thing that Maher thinks is a bad thing but which the far left denies exists even as they push it onto society).
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 19:36:36 Rugian, The modern democratic party has left people like Bill maher behind and now more closely resembles the view. This is why more people are Republicans than Democrats anymore. Usually we assume more people are democratic and that Reoublicans win because of a more energized base, now reoublicans are more energized AND are the plurality.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 01 20:09:08 my problem was the lying about it Dr Seuss wasn’t cancelled and Biden had -nothing- to do with the 3 discontinued books (that no one seemed to own as they kept showing ones like Green Eggs And Ham in graphics) then theres the bullshit like throwing Minnie Mouse into this woke/cancel culture narrative when it had nothing to do with that
murder Member	Tue Feb 01 20:27:25 "Maher is right" Yes he is.
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 20:27:35 TW, The problem as I see it is both sides linking political baggage of any and everyone into two teams. The left makes up crazy links to the opposite team as much if not more. Any crazy wokism is linked to all democrats. Just like any anti government conspiracy theory is linked to all Reoublicans. Both sides are expected to then defend anything anyone on the opposing side has done or said.Its absurd.
murder Member	Tue Feb 01 20:28:49 "This is why more people are Republicans than Democrats anymore. Usually we assume more people are democratic and that Reoublicans win because of a more energized base, now reoublicans are more energized AND are the plurality." Awesome! Then there's no more need to engage in voter suppression.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 01 22:01:12 Trump is the -source- of a lot of the crazy, so R's should have to answer for it until rejecting him as their leader ------------- from new interview: "Lindsey [Graham] is a nice guy but he’s a RINO" ~fuckhead if you disagree w/ Trump you are a RINO... that's weird, that's fucked up... this 'man' is a fucking idiot child fraud, proven every time he has spoken for the last 7+ years
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 22:36:20 Well, Lindsey is put of step with much of the party, especially the Trump wing. Now I'm not sure what particularly this was about, it may be an arbitrary issue. But as Ive said a million times and Trump has even said pretty much take alot of what he says with a grain of salt. But in the case of Lindsey Graham, I think his politics are outdated, closer to a W. Bush Republican.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Feb 01 23:06:26 hard to take it with a grain of salt, when everyone Trump takes issue with then gets booed/hated by the cult the midterms should shed some light on his power/threat
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 02 00:17:02 Well Graham easily won in 2020 so, he isn't up for a few years. They ran a Nancy Pelosi protege fornthe democrat, which just won't fly down here. I wouldn't be surprised if Graham somehow influenced who he was going to run against. In regards to his comment, in this case he wasnt that far off . But his support and feuds etc. are fickle. I think this statement is probably closer to his true feelings about Lindsey.
murder Member	Wed Feb 02 07:21:25 NBC News @NBCNews SPECIAL REPORT: Hundreds of books have been pulled from Texas libraries for review, sometimes over the objections of school librarians, several of whom told @NBCNews they face mounting pressure to pre-emptively pull books that might draw complaints. http://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1488513166975901698 Damn liberals trying to cancel Dr Seuss.
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 02 20:27:59 TW, A good comparison would be the liberal outrage over not teaching Maus. IDK how many articles claim they banned it.That is false. It was pulled from the curriculum and seen a huge spike in people buying them (like with Seuss) but was never banned.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Feb 02 22:11:49 yeah, the Maus thing seems overblown but i do know Jake Tapper specifically noted not banned just removed from curriculum
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 02 22:40:53 TW, As did rising on the hill. Jake Tapper is going to have his own book club tv show that is a subscription. I want to buy a Jake tappers book club T-shirt!
Habebe Member	Wed Feb 02 22:46:45 The hill isn't what I would consider typical MSM though. Especially lately. Since Krystal and Saagar have been as successfully as they have I've noticed that the Hill has really been bringing in mostly non typical journalists like Kim Iverson and Brihana joy gray (Bernies campaign something or other) Like they really have been aiming at that niche of a non Democrat or Republican.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 03 15:59:27 "Former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark made good on his promise and plead the Fifth Amendment more than 100 times during his deposition with the January 6 committee on Wednesday, a source familiar with the interview told CNN" Jeffrey Clark is the stooge Trump wanted installed as acting AG who was ready to lie to state legislatures that DOJ suspected mass voter fraud (only thwarted by threats of mass resignations) but meh... whatever... also there's Trump going to DOJ & Homeland Security & the Pentagon seeing if any of them willing to seize voting machines also not worth considering or ever mentioning... Liz Cheney & Adam Kinzinger are traitors for wanting to know about those things!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 04 12:25:58 the censure vote passed... resolution included: "Representatives Cheney & Kinzinger are participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse" they should've given examples, sure sounds like ignoring the actions of Jan 6 completely... as they are definitely doing...
murder Member	Fri Feb 04 13:35:03 Sounds like grounds to serve subpoenas to everyone who voted for it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 04 14:48:44 "President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election." ~ Pence ...which is actually a bold comment in this cult era he's basically ruined now... no idea why he won't just spill his info to Jan 6th committee... it's completely obvious what Trump was doing was wrong
Rugian Member	Fri Feb 04 15:05:49 Its not pursuing January 6 that's the issue. Its pursuing January 6 to the exclusion of everything else, and ignoring the much greater and deadlier shit the Democrats have been pulling in the last 2 years. In effect, those RINOs are saying that nationwide leftwing riots lasting for months on end are completely fine, but make the IMPORTANT PEOPLE like the Cheney scion feel inconvenienced for a couple of hours and all of a sudden its a fucking seditious insurrection that nearly toppled oUr DeMoCrAcY. That's why they're being censored. Fuck them.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 04 15:44:24 "Its pursuing January 6 to the exclusion of everything else" in what way are they preventing any other thing from occurring? other stuff in resolution: " WHEREAS, Winning back the majority in Congress, including the United States House of Representatives, in 2022 must be the primary goal of the House Republican Conference (“Conference”) and requires all Republicans working together to accomplish the same; WHEREAS, The Conference must design the strategy to stop the radical Biden agenda and retire Nancy Pelosi, tasks which require that all Republicans pull in the same direction; WHEREAS, The Conference must not be sabotaged by Representatives Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger who have demonstrated, with actions and words, that they support Democrat efforts to destroy President Trump more than they support winning back a Republican majority in 2022 " seems a lot like 'we must ignore our INCREDIBLY corrupt, lawless & unfit leader & the dangerous cult he wields as hurts us politically'
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