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Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 25 19:55:31
http://www...igh-school-bingo-activity/amp/

Privelige bingo... Its like they can't help themselves.

Youngkin set up a hotline number to report teachers doing this sort of shit.

The ACLU is suing in favor of the teachers union (public enemy #1) to block schools from telling parents what curriculum is being taught.

The Democratic party hates parents, its just not popular with you know, parents!

I mean listen, I like Trump, but we all know he is a little crazy, right? But these weirdos make him look like the adult in the room!
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Jan 25 20:02:40
That and all the crime that democrats encourage
Habebe
Member
Tue Jan 25 20:55:24
Sam, That new mayor of NYC (Adams? The old black cop guy) reinstated stop and frisk.lol
Y2A
Member
Wed Jan 26 01:23:15
chadams reinstated the plain clothes anti-crime unit, not s&f. that won't be making a come back, though chadams has always maintained that it was "good in theory" while not supporting it's return.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 01:31:57
My mistake.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 09:51:18

"Why the Democrats will hemorage voters"

Because Democrats told voters they were going to do things and then they blocked their own agenda.

Sam Adams
Member
Wed Jan 26 11:16:50
Some moderate democrats are getting the picture that supporting crime is bad for their future.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 26 11:27:21
"Because Democrats told voters they were going to do things and then they blocked their own agenda."

Joe Biden ran as a moderate; it was only after he was elected that he decided to become an FDR wannabe.

Dems only got a 50 vote majority in the Senate because Trump decided to blow up the Georgia races. Otherwise, down-ballot Democrats did not perform well in 2020.

What in your delusional little world makes you believe that the country voted en mass for a far-left radical agenda?
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 12:05:44
The crime is bad. I think the issue I have is the people blending violent crime and non.

But I think this odd crusade against parents will be worse for elections.

Like who is for this other than teachers?

Although the crime spike is bad, immigration is bad, Jimmy Carter economy was bad.....is Iran planning on taking some hostages soon?
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 12:08:03
Did anyone see Kamalla's new poll numbers, -17.
Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 26 12:09:01
"Like who is for this other than teachers?"

Thats the problem habebe. Its a completely illogical position for the Democrats to take, but they have to do it because they're in the pocket of the teachers unions.

So yeah, expect to see more Democratic talking points about how parents don't have a right to know what their children are being taught by their teachers. Its stupid and will cost them votes, but that's what they need to say to satiate their special interest groups.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 12:52:43

"What in your delusional little world makes you believe that the country voted en mass for a far-left radical agenda?"

We're talking about Democrats, not "the country".

Child tax credit? OMG socialism!

Universal Pre-K? OMG socialism!

Child and elder care? OMG socialism!

Hearing aids for the elderly? OMG socialism!

Keeping Republicans from suppressing voting participation in black and brown communities? OMG communism!

murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 12:56:08

"Thats the problem habebe. Its a completely illogical position for the Democrats to take, but they have to do it because they're in the pocket of the teachers unions."

The Democrats are in the pocket of Big Teacher. Big Teacher and it's deep pockets. All those millionaire teachers and their fat campaign donations hold more sway than anyone this side of George Soros ... who actually owns the party and the teacher's unions.

Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 26 13:00:01
You realize a lot of people voted for Democrats not because they're Democrats themselves, but simply because they thought they were better than the alternative?

Essentially you are saying that the Democrats should tell those people to go fuck themselves and only govern by narrow partisan interests. Which, fair enough, thats what the Democrats actually did.

But now you think the Democrats are underwater in the polling because they FAILED to advance portions of their partisan agenda? That makes zero sense.

Moderates aren't rejecting the Democrats because they failed to pass GND and free money for political candidates. They did so because they see how insane and radical the Democrats are.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 13:05:18

"You realize a lot of people voted for Democrats ..."

No, a lot of people didn't. Almost everyone voted the same as they always do. Almost everyone always tends to vote the way they always do.

But that's neither here nor there.

Democrats doing things that will upset Republicans will never cost Democrats votes. Not doing those things will.

murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 13:08:23

"But now you think the Democrats are underwater in the polling because they FAILED to advance portions of their partisan agenda? That makes zero sense."

Portions? WTF part passed?

Rugian
Member
Wed Jan 26 13:18:43
"The Democrats are in the pocket of Big Teacher. Big Teacher and it's deep pockets. All those millionaire teachers and their fat campaign donations hold more sway than anyone this side of George Soros ... who actually owns the party and the teacher's unions."

Teachers unions spend a LOT of money on elections bro.

But beyond that, teachers are basically thr youth indoctrination arm of the Democratic Party.

Ever wonder WHY young adults tend to skew so far left politically? They don't get that way on their own; their "education" within our overwhelmingly left-leaning academic system is a big factor in their radicalism.

There's a reason that Sanders and Co. want to extend free schooling to 3 year olds and college-age teens. Gives them even more time to propagate the faith to their impressionable minds.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 13:29:37

"Ever wonder WHY young adults tend to skew so far left politically?"

I don't have to wonder. They skew left because this society hasn't had time to rot their insides yet.

Idiot right-wingers let their kids grow up watching Sesame Street and then wonder why their kids think fairness is important.

PBS was banned in my house when I was a kid and I became a right wing Reaganite.

Keep letting kids watch shows where people care about the welfare and feelings of others and you're going to keep getting the same results.


"There's a reason that Sanders and Co. want to extend free schooling to 3 year olds ..."

Yes ... it's called free child care.


"... and college-age teens."

Because most of the good paying jobs require a college degree, and only in a fucked up world would that be restricted to the kids of the already well off.

Dukhat
Member
Wed Jan 26 13:39:20
Left and Right doesn't mean anything any more.

Trump was never about making it easier to start a business or personal freedom. It was about "owning the libs." That's why his supporters have such idiosyncratic views.

Women shouldn't have the choice to have an abortion, but suddenly the body is sacrosanct with respect to vaccines. Over and over again, it's just stupid after stupid informed by bad facebook memes and a small social group of like-minded bigots.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 14:21:04
Teachers unions have steadily amped up their political involvement: From 2004 to 2016, their donations grew from $4.3 million to more than $32 million -- an all-time high. Even more than most labor unions, they have little use for Republicans, giving Democrats at least 94 percent of the funds they contributed to candidates and parties since as far back as 1990, where our data begins.

Two organizations account for practically all of the contributions made by teachers unions: The National Education Association (about $20 million in 2016) and the American Federation of Teachers (almost $12 million). Both groups -- which compete for members, but also collaborate with each other through the NEA-AFT Partnership -- are consistently among the organizations that contribute the most money to candidates and political groups.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=l1300
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 14:24:21
"Idiot right-wingers let their kids grow up watching Sesame Street and then wonder why their kids think fairness is important.

PBS was banned in my house when I was a kid and I became a right wing Reaganite.

Keep letting kids watch shows where people care about the welfare and feelings of others and you're going to keep getting the same results."

Murder, I find it hard to beleive Democrats care more about fairness than Republicans.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 15:06:54

"Murder, I find it hard to beleive Democrats care more about fairness than Republicans."

I find it hard to believe that you find it hard to believe.

Republicans only pretend to care about fairness and equality. They've taken to using that pretense to protect the advantages that white people spent centuries accumulating for themselves.

They've got 90% or the wealth and the power, but history starts now. No fair discriminating against them to correct that inequality!

Groups that were exploited and disadvantaged for centuries are supposed to suck it up and compete on a "level playing field" ... except of course the field isn't level at all.

They basically want life to be a foot race where everyone starts running at the same time ... but they start out 100 meters from the finish line while others have to run 400 meters.

And that's just the acceptable marketing campaign they put out to cover their ongoing white supremacist bullshit.

Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 15:11:44
Fucking white people!
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 15:16:20
That must be why poor people vote Democrat....eye roll*
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 15:19:36

"Fucking white people!"

Yes, fucking white people!

No sarcasm at all.


kargen
Member
Wed Jan 26 16:11:45
I thought I was going to mark the entire card but not in a military family and I am left handed so I couldn't mark those squares. Couldn't find an image I was sure was the full card so maybe missed a few others but turns out I got all kinds of privilege. Kind of wondering when all that privilege is going to kick in.
Y2A
Member
Wed Jan 26 17:30:41
"Kind of wondering when all that privilege is going to kick in"

http://en....1_United_States_Capitol_attack

Deaths...1 from gunshot
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 17:43:51
Y2a, Didn't BLM execute an actual coup in downtown Portland including a police station and federal buildings and they were permitted to do so....but that's not privelege apparently.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 17:46:45

They overthrew the government of the city?

You guys are ridiculous.

Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 17:48:15
Seattle, my mistake.

They shot a 16 year old boy dead left a 14 year old in critical condition.

But please lecture me how Jan. 6th was worse.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 17:48:54
Murder, For that 9 acre are? Yes.
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 18:32:07

"But please lecture me how Jan. 6th was worse."

I have to explain again why trying to take down the Constitutional government of the US is worse that some riots in some random city somewhere?

Nah that's OK. I'll pass. Anyone who hasn't understood by now simply doesn't want to.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 18:39:17
The great threat we faced from a mob of people armed with selfie sticks....
Y2A
Member
Wed Jan 26 18:59:45
the taliban took selfies as they took over kabul, so please STFU with your "uh, it wuz int a R3al coo becuz dey t00k s3lfies bro..." crap.
Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 19:09:21
And BLM/CHOP murdered children like the Taliban....which is worse?
murder
Member
Wed Jan 26 19:12:02

Trying to topple the government and install a dictator.

That is worse. That is 350 million times worse.

Habebe
Member
Wed Jan 26 19:14:23
Ok bud...
kargen
Member
Wed Jan 26 22:01:14
Murder there are three equal branches of the federal government. The siege on the federal courthouse was more a coup attempt than what happened on Jan 6.

As a comedian pointed out the government doesn't switch leaders based on who is in the building or the janitorial staff would be making decisions most the time.
murder
Member
Thu Jan 27 07:00:09

"Murder there are three equal branches of the federal government. The siege on the federal courthouse was more a coup attempt than what happened on Jan 6."

No it's not. In fact the federal courthouse in wherever the fuck it was is NOT in the US Constitution. It is a fabrication of Congress.

Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 27 07:48:12
Yawn... Our government really wasn't in any danger in either event.

Chop was bound to fail, but was more dangerous since they were shooting kids.

Jan. 6th, Yeah they broke windows and did goofy shit but if anyone really thinks there was a plan to install the Q Shaman as the head of next government is retarded.

I would pay good money to see peace talks with the Q Shaman and the Taliban though on CSPAN.

There was no real plan in either, it was built up frustration exploding out in both cases.

Technically CHOP was a coup, but we all knew it would fail.

Jan. 6th was sedition since it did delay a vote, but it was an inconvenience, not a realistic threat to our government falling.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 27 08:02:15
habebe
The plan was to disrupt the transition of power, then get the next president chosen through the contingent presidential election by House.

You know, where each state gets one vote. "Each state delegation votes en bloc—each delegation having a single vote; the District of Columbia does not get to vote" (wiki)

I wonder what party had the majority vote. Not.

jergul
large member
Thu Jan 27 08:04:47
Then you would be all. "this was no coup. Unfortunately pence was unable to count the electors, so we elected the president by a different route as the constitution allows. President Trump was legitimately elected!".
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 27 08:23:40
Thats a stretch.But I lack motivation to really care as do most Americans.

The vote was delayed, who is our potus?They had relative control of the building and didn't try to secure the military or change legislation or even legitimize themselves as a governing body.Manufactured outrage.

Now we could debate the merits of the Electoral count act and its constituionality.We pick our potus by an act that even the congressmen who put it into law seemed to think it was unenforceable...really strange, I think you would agree.
murder
Member
Thu Jan 27 09:16:57

"The vote was delayed, who is our potus?They had relative control of the building and didn't try to secure the military or change legislation or even legitimize themselves as a governing body.Manufactured outrage."

Because they were stopped.


"We pick our potus by an act that ..."

No we don't. I don't know where you got that idea. We elect our president through a constitutional process.

jergul
large member
Thu Jan 27 09:33:23
Habebe
They never had to. They just had to create ambiguity about the transfer of power so that it legitimized state delegations re-electing Trump.

And you most def would have been "No coup. Trump was re-elected constitutionally by the State delegations".
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 27 09:41:26
You are making a strawman argument when you suggest the insurrectionists wanted to install themselves.

They were acting on behalf of Trump.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 27 09:41:26
"Because they were stopped."

By who's order?

Manufactured outrage...both acts are bad. One ended in hours while the other was supported by executive branch to go on for what 2 weeks? One killed children, the other had one death bybthe hands of police...yawn...cling to your manufactured outrage all you want

Murder, Are you claiming that the ECA is conditionally enforceable? AFAIK its more like a federal suggestion.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 27 09:43:38
Now you are doing the false equivalency fallacy.
murder
Member
Thu Jan 27 09:45:03

"By who's order?"

Smith & Wesson? Glock?

murder
Member
Thu Jan 27 09:46:12

"Murder, Are you claiming that the ECA is conditionally enforceable? AFAIK its more like a federal suggestion."

I'm saying that the electoral process is spelled out in the US Constitution.

Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 27 09:49:29
Jergul, Did Trump ever say to storm the Capitol? No. Did he supply them with weapons? Instructions? Maps?

Is it likely sedition? Yes they delayed a vote.

Was CHOP a violent coup supported by the governor? Yes they controlled an autonomous zone and stormed federal buildings and police stations that lead to the killing of teenage boys by the same people.

But in context, neither rise to the level of what someone would would reasonably consider a coup/treason. These were frustrated people with mob mentality venting their frustrations passed the point of what should be considered acceptable.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 27 09:50:18
Jergul, How is it a false equivelant?
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 27 09:51:13
Its like calling a kids rocket in the backyard in the same league as an ICBM. Yes you could technically call both rockets, but they are not the same.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 27 10:01:06
A violent mob could have changed the outcome of your election. That is called a coup. They failed, so it was a failed coup.

No reasonable person would think that simply keeping the vice-president from certifying the electoral votes on the day that should be done would be enough to trigger an election by way of state delegations.

Thing is. That is exactly what republican state delegations would have done.
Habebe
Member
Thu Jan 27 10:08:24
I'll agree to disagree.

Anyway, back to voters opinions and votes.

For the first time in a while more people align with the Reoublican party than the Democratic as support falls to severely low levels and a vital reason is student curiculuum.
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