Utopia Talk / Politics / Snow White

tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jan 25 21:49:26 not sure if this has hit the Fox News circuit yet... "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is getting a live-action remake, but Emmy winning actor Peter Dinklage isn't sure it should. Disney announced that "West Side Story" actress Rachel Zegler will star as the princess in the remake of the 1937 animated film. Gal Gadot will play the Evil Queen. Dinklage thinks the story shouldn't be remade at all if it's not updated. The "Game of Thrones" star appeared on Marc Maron's "WTF" podcast Monday and raised some questions about revisiting the 85-year-old film at this time. "I was a little taken aback when they were very proud to cast a Latina actress as Snow White. You're still telling the story of 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.' Take a step back and look at what you're doing there. It makes no sense to me," he told Maron. "You're progressive in one way and you're still making that f---ing backwards story about seven dwarfs living in a cave together, what the f--- are you doing man? Have I done nothing to advance the cause from my soapbox? I guess I'm not loud enough." The original "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs," the first full length animated feature from Disney, can still be told says Dinklage, it just needs to be updated to today's standards. "If you tell the story of 'Snow White' with the most f---ed up, progressive spin on it? Let's do it. All in," he told Maron. Disney responded to the actor's comments in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter, saying the film intends to take "a different approach with these seven characters" in order "to avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film." The company added that they "have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community" during the film's "lengthy development period." More will be shared about the film as it begins production, the statement added. http://www...seven-dwarfs-remake/index.html not sure how they can do that w/o dwarves i also wonder if Dinklage has a problem w/ the Tolkiens dwarves... is there some indication the Snow White ones aren't their own race? or is it just about their behavior?
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 25 23:38:05 I actually get his point though.Snow WHITE, its kind of a given she is not only white but pale. Now I'm not offended its a Hispanic , but ***if the reason they are doing it is to because that premise is offensive that she is white*** then his point is valid. The Dwarf bit is way worse. Either stick to the story or do it all woke.
Habebe Member	Tue Jan 25 23:46:51 Like to Disney they are saying that the fact that snow White is the most offensive part of a story about a princess who lives with a bunch of gay midgets in a cave. As much as I dislike this woke nonsense his point is the elephant in the room.
kargen Member	Wed Jan 26 01:29:41 Seven little dudes with good work ethics, decent morals and independence despite some physical limitations. What the fuck is wrong with that?
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 01:48:41 You could also be describing oompa loompas. Admittedly a favorite group of mine from child hood. But I get that they are portraying some serious stereotypes. Some that I find appealing. However when comparing the stereotypes portrayed, if little snow White doesn't have to be white, why cant the dwarves be tall guys with girlfriends andntheir own homes? At which point its an entirely new story.
Paramount Member	Wed Jan 26 01:52:46 ” Snow WHITE, its kind of a given she is not only white but pale” White could also be just a name. Like Brown is a name. James Brown for an example. But I think they should leave Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs as it is. Why can’t they make something new instead? Chocolate Brown and the Three Pimps? Night Black and the Nine Lions? It’s just stupid to remake everything into a new woke version. Move on instead and make something new. Would the latin community be okay with if Hollywood remade Don Quijote into a pale Scandinavian? Zorro – a pale Canadian?
Habebe Member	Wed Jan 26 02:41:18 Paramount, Perhaps. But considering its a story snow white seems as descriptive as coal black. But, no hill in prepared to die on. Also "fairest of them all" seems to to imply not just beauty but pale skin, which at the time of the story was especially found beautiful , women used arsenic to make their skin more...fair. Snow White- as white as snow Fairest of all Timeframe of publication And its a fairy tale, prince charming could also be just a name but, it's unlikely. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.
murder Member	Wed Jan 26 09:54:47 Maybe they can avoid all this stuff by making new stuff instead of trying to remake every damn thing that ever made them a dollar.
Rugian Member	Wed Jan 26 10:10:13 Peter Dinkledge is a dumb twat and that shitty HBO show that he was in was a complete dumpster fire. What a pompous asshole.
kargen Member	Wed Jan 26 16:43:30 At least they aren't making Snow White a transgender male or some silly shit like that. and I got the oompa loompa song stuck in my head now thanks for that.
smart dude Member	Wed Jan 26 19:27:02 who cares
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Feb 01 00:02:16 I got over-caffeinated yesterday and wrote a super-progressive template for a Disney's Snow White remake. I thought some of you might enjoy this :D -=-=- I’m late to this, but Dinklage has a point. We should take progressive causes to their natural (regressive) conclusions. So, instead of the usual tropes, we have to “subvert expectations” by populating “Snow Whiteness and the 7 against GQP 45ism” with an intersectional fascist group which will be called “Antifa” to trick the slow-witted into believing that it’s actually against rather than directly supporting the progressive goal of benevolent fascism: • A Sarah Biffen character — She is white, which is problematic, but she makes up for it by having no arms and only vestigial legs, zipping around in an electric chair and being ignored by the others because of her grotesque whiteness. She is not allowed to speak but reminds people that the public housing accommodations provided to the 7 by the state must be accessible to all body types. She will be seen in the background getting fatter and mentally weaker while consuming a steady diet of CNN and MSNBC; sharing Jeff Tiedrich, Robert Reich, and Occupy Democrats Tweets and memes; casting her mail-in ballot while a Party official nods in agreement; and celebrating the intersectional conquerors that will reward her by allowing her to give up any personal wealth to the Party before dying in irrelevance. Catch phrase: “I told random people at the store to put on their masks. It made me feel powerful.” • The white-ally trans-woman feminist — although getting a little rapey in women’s restrooms due to lapses in hormone treatments (the fault of the old state for not paying for the therapy!), the community celebrates her for her bravery and embraces her in their midst because they do not want to appear to lack faith in the progressive values of the Party. They are mostly pleased that a Western male has been coerced into self-selecting out of the gene pool via a faith in the Party’s benevolent directions. Catch phrase: “Neutered cats stay closer to the Party's benevolence.” • The white-ally transman feminist — although accidentally and over-eagerly siding with the Party’s false narratives regarding Jussie Smollett the Brave, he nevertheless maintains Smollett’s innocence and calls the Smollett verdict proof of “systemic racism.” He reaffirms his commitment to the party by removing his latent whiteness via gene-pool deselection (a hysterectomy and mastectomy) and by ending his relationship with a “problematic” lesbian partner who did not stay with him (probably because she was transphobic!). This, he suggests, is because lesbians must show commitment to the Party by becoming trans. Catch phrase: "Lesbians are not progressive enough anymore." • Whoopi Goldberg — Goldberg reminds the Party of her disgust for the ever-present threat of 45ism, the GQP, and the MAGAts. She reminds everyone that although she got sick with COVID after three doses, that this should not cast doubt on the efficacy of the fourth, fifth, or sixth doses, which she got in one week to prove her faith in the Party and the Grand Fauci. She says that she makes up for not having a functional immune system via her immunity to COVID-related social ostracism. She also believes that Hunter’s laptop is a myth perpetrated by Giuliani, who, despite being a tech-illiterate baby-boomer, must have learned to use those problematic Deepfakes to make it look like Hunter was smoking crack while naked. She simultaneously believes that Hunter’s admission of smoking crack while naked is not inconsistent with her former belief in the unreality of Hunter smoking crack while naked, since a good Party member can keep contradictory information in mind. She also believes that video of Former Vice President Biden acting like a pedophile does not at all indicate that he’s a pedophile and that video is probably fake or out-of-context anyways. She excludes from her consciousness accounts of Biden having inappropriate showers with children, perhaps even including his daughter. She also thinks that Biden is totally mentally sharp, and she will not admit that he is anything but mentally fit until later when the White House releases a documentary telling the world about how they protected the country from his dementia for the Party’s grand mission — at which point she will say that the Party was 100% effective at keeping the world from knowing and that those suffering from 45ism had no evidence behind their beliefs. She’s also pretty sure that anything that Biden might be doing is nothing compared to what 45 did, and thus she uses 45 has her perpetual Godwin’s Law substitute. Catch phrase: “Okay, but whatabout Trump!” • The Party Official — Psaki keeps the Party on task by re-stating their actual positions into positions which become so obfuscated that they can always appease the doublethink of all Party members. Catch phrase: “What the president meant to say when he shit himself in front of the Pope is that we should expel Party members that we do not properly secure with good governance.” • Saint George Patron Saint of Fentanyl — Having been killed selling loosey cigarettes while jogging from a house that he had broken into several times while high on fentanyl and crack; screaming, “I can’t breathe!” while white supremacist officers strangled him in a modern-day lynching; holding up his hands saying, “Don’t shoot!”; and actually being a 12-year-old that was simply brandishing a replica pistol who was peacefully bashing mostly-white white-supremacist George Zimmerman’s head into a sidewalk while also getting into a car with a knife in his hand to flee with the children whom he was kidnapping so that he could crash into a parade to kill problematic whiteness in the area; the Patron Saint of Fentanyl is represented in the movie by a moving sidewalk memorial that says, “De-fund the police absolutely means removing all funding from the police and giving it to the community instead” next to phrases such as John Oliver’s “De-fund absolutely does *not* mean what the community says it means” and “ACAB” and “disagree with anti-police sentiment and you’re automatically a boot-licker!” Catch Phrase: "Don't put me in the car! I have to swallow this fentanyl first!" • A Chinese Party member — she will have limited script-lines in the U.S. release because progressives hate the “inconvenient” success of Asians, but in the Chinese release she will be the main character, with her great virtue being her faith in the Party and her ability to teach Westerners the virtues of collectivism and the destruction of ego. She will constantly remind Chinese audiences of the sickness in Western society that surrounds her in the movie — as evidenced by the other 6 and by Snow Whiteness holding races inferior to the Chinese and thus having no souls. She will talk with Grand Sultan Trudeau about how great it is to be in a country that can demolish the people so that rulers can do whatever they want. Catch phrase: “Only with total cooperation can we move the world to the Party’s vision!” • The 8th progressive — This is the hidden progressive, not spoken about, acknowledged, or even allowed to affect the numbering of the 7 because this 8th might blow things up if overly empowered. This Islamic progressive is the uber-authoritarian who believes that all lies that deceive the West into subservience must be acceptable. Having married her brother and openly called for the destruction of the U.S., this progressive has her virtues among the 7. Still, despite contradicting most of the other anti-values of the 7, the 7 accept the presence of this progressive because the 8th progressive has brown skin and has thus infiltrated the Oppression Olympics of intersectionality and is a token member who shields the 7 from criticism. The 7 allow the Chinese Party member to wage a war of eugenics against the 8th progressive, but they fear that the Chinese Party member will fail to cover up the 8th's genocide, which would interrupt the uni-party strategy. They must use the 8th progressive to destroy Israel while simultaneously keeping the 8th progressive from being aware of the genocide. • Snow Whiteness — She exists to replace the problematic trend of “whiteness” in cinema, which is a theory word which hides overt racism behind the “cultural” problem of being “white”. That is, she allows people to be racist against white people by pretending that it’s not white people themselves that are “problematic” but the transplanted idea of “whiteness”… “whiteness” just happening to perfectly overlap with white people themselves — a gaslighting mechanism which will allow her to Trojan horse into Western civilization’s open borders at the behest of the League of Shadows. She wants to refer to herself as Colombian and maybe even Latina, but the 7 must correct her by saying that she’s actually LatinX since she suffers from false-consciousness. — “False consciousness sounds like a way for you to gaslight people until they agree with your dysfunctional ideology.” — “Whuuuuuuut? No way! .. Now read this Judith Butler article!” While not yet a citizen, she is happy to learn that she voted in 2020. She likes following politicians into bathrooms when they deviate from the Party script (envision a cat paw reaching under a door), and she was assured by George Stephanopoulos that the GQP has told the “Big Lie” about the 2020 election — the most secure election ever in the history of time. Although participating in an insurrection, she is convinced that 45ism’s tendency to want to preserve the Constitution is somehow the insurrection. Thus, she believes that only by destroying the Constitution by removing the First and Second Amendments; by making D.C. and Puerto Rico a state; by packing the Supreme Court with anti-Constitution authoritarians; by removing the Electoral College; by suppressing opposition votes; by changing election laws to remove the protections of identification, proof-of-citizenship, and signatures; by making the default vote a straight-ticket DNC vote with one click; and by using tech monopolies to silence dissent under the label of “misinformation” — only then can “democracy” under Emperor Palpatine be protected. • Gal Gadot — An Israeli villain. She was bred for her strength and stature by the Orthodox Jew to be the part-Jew defender of Israel (a special class of Jew that is attractive and strong, seeming to fit into Western values — useful for propaganda and home defense), thus, the progressives, being openly anti-Semitic, have identified her as their enemy. The 7 cry when they hear of Gadot’s victories against the Palestinians and her securing of funding from the Party, but Empress Pelosi tells them that they’ll be primaried if they do not fall in line. Thus, they must defeat Gadot on their own, using cunning Twitter propaganda which ultimately does not affect how they actually vote. Their great weapon against Gadot is thus grassroots psychosis-movements which aim to cause mentally unbalanced people to carry out political violence on their behalf. Gadot’s minions are the Jew-allied problematic “whiteness” GQP, who must be convinced that they must self-select out of the gene pool (to demoralize them) while simultaneously assuring them that no such replacement takes place. Once the GQP has moved out of the way of the Uniparty, Empress Pelosi will allow the 7 to openly destroy Gadot’s Kingdom of Israel, leaving China in a position to attack Russia. I think Dinklage would be pleased! This is the kind of progressivism that could really poll well going into 2024.
jergul large member	Tue Feb 01 00:15:24 What coctail of drugs was "overcaffeinated" code for?
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 01:10:11 If I'd have to guess either adderall or an old bottle of that coca infused wine the pope liked so much.
jergul large member	Tue Feb 01 02:36:48 I dunno, it seemed a bit methy, so you would want to include some amphetamine variant in the mix.
jergul large member	Tue Feb 01 02:37:56 Maybe CC just got the good old ADD medicine dosages mixed up.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Feb 01 03:45:35 Adderall = amphetamine.
jergul large member	Tue Feb 01 04:05:30 Nimi Ah, I was unaware. Good that habebe and I could finally see eye-to-eye.
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 12:13:19 Yup, Adderall is what Americans give kids to study. Basically prescription meth that only last for 5-6 hours.4 kinds of amphetamine and 3 kinds of sugar.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Feb 01 15:44:15 Sweet! The critics are in! "Did you write this on Adderall?" 4/5 ★★★★✩ "Maybe it was meth!" 3/5 ★★★✩✩ "It was probably cocaine!" 5/5 ★★★★★ .. It does sort of implicate Jergul's mental inefficacy that he thinks that an effort like this must be fueled by drugs. That is, I can write something like this with a 1-ounce shot of espresso and have never taken Adderall or mind drugs in my life, but Jergul's mind is so weak that he imagines that it requires hard drugs like meth to be even passably functional. Many people will find themselves so tired in short moments that they bump into furniture that they did not correctly perceive due to lapses in brain function affecting depth perception, but that fatigued stupor spreads over the whole of Jergul's life. He is an ant in the afterbirth, forever unable to perceive the whole.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Feb 01 15:51:23 "or mind drugs in my life" This may actually be the problem, too little drugs is not good for you. But technically caffeine is a mind altering drug, the little brother of meth. These are not the kind of drugs you need though. Tru a combination of cannabis and shrooms. Then come back and write a wall of text about it. It may actually be interesting :)
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 15:53:18 Actually when you mix cocaine with wine (alcohol) it becomes a new drug called cocaethylyne ...now you know and knowledge is power...GI Joe...
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Feb 01 16:04:28 Uhm.. did you miss the part where she wrote a dozen paragraphs high on espresso? We need to calm her down and turn her inwards.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Feb 01 16:08:25 [Nim]: "This may actually be the problem, too little drugs is not good for you." As would be too many, of course. And people who erode their neural pathways with drug abuse tend to break their nervous system's correct function, which leads to a false belief in fantasies and a breaking from reality. This causes erroneous belief in simulation theory and other solipsist delusions. People broken by drugs thus believe that the Jungian archetypes that they see in DMT trips must represent an alternate reality. In other words, by clipping the wings of their sensorium with drugs, they lose mental competence, becoming detached and unable to correctly reconcile reality. This does, of course, make them useful and easy to control with externally-implemented delusions, such as propaganda.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Feb 01 16:40:13 Not even remotely close to the conspiracy ridden, mistrust of gubmint that is the actual reality of the drug sub culture. You would think it would be obvious, given that most drugs are ILLEGAL and "The Man" will send SWAT teams to your house to kill your dog while you are sleep. What you just wrote sounds like a spiced up PSA from the 1950's about reefer madness.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Feb 01 16:48:23 Hey guys, I will only take the drugs that the gubmint has sanctioned, because all the other drugs make you stupid and receptive towards the propaganda of the.. oh wait... lol :)
kargen Member	Tue Feb 01 17:49:00 You've cast Snow White and the seven mental midgets all that is left to do is cast the evil queen. I think maybe cast the villain as a red SUV but I will leave the final decision to you. Oh and you need to decide the gender of Prince Charming.
jergul large member	Tue Feb 01 18:15:01 CC Oh, you misunderstood. What you wrote was not well-written. I was idly wondering the reasons why.
jergul large member	Tue Feb 01 18:16:06 What venue did you actually write it for before reposting it here?
Habebe Member	Tue Feb 01 20:33:26 Nimatzo, I love espresso! I made the dumb decision one day to make an entire 320z cup of espresso and drink it. I felt horrible, like I was going to have a heart attack. I havn't had any Meth for a while, nor adderall. I stopped smoking weed again a few weeks ago. Mushrooms are my favorite drug though, I prefer mixing them with wine rather than weed though.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Feb 02 00:20:36 [jergul]: "What you wrote was not well-written." Very constructive and specific, thanks! Since you're such a great writer, this carries a lot of weight!! ;D [jergul]: "What venue did you actually write it for before reposting it here?" A bathroom stall at the local Sizzler. .. [Nimtard]: "Hey guys, I will only take the drugs that the gubmint has sanctioned, because all the other drugs make you stupid and receptive towards the propaganda of the." Cool, story, Nim! Go ahead and take opiates and write a satire of Snow White! I'm sure that downers make people super productive! We'll wait!! <3 .. [kargen]: "I think maybe cast the villain as a red SUV but I will leave the final decision to you. Oh and you need to decide the gender of Prince Charming." Good call.. I've left out some characters by focusing only on the central heroes. Red SUV is a good idea. Maybe that could be a sub-character.. like.. the SUV attacks the Evil GQP's children and the 7 downplay it by saying that the SUV was just fleeing a knife fight, and then they bury the story. Prince Charming could be tough. Maybe Snow Whiteness becomes a composite character for AOC, so she has an autistic male-feminist gamer BF. Maybe they meet over her OnlyFans where he simps the best while she sleeps with her other BFs on camera. A romance written in the stars!! ;)
jergul large member	Wed Feb 02 04:17:04 CC You think you wrote a satire of Snow White? Rofl. You just spouted your usual CT nuttery with barely a reference to Snow White at all beyond some incoherent ramblings about "snow whitedness" The epidemic hit you hard, sister. And you were not in a good place to start.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Feb 02 06:21:40 Stupid cow "Go ahead and take opiates." I have taken opiates, not the stuff that give me creative bursts, although apparently it worked for Samuel Taylor Coleridge. LOL the day when I lecture you on the influence of opium on English literature. How those that make you feel? <3 Cannabis, shrooms or LSD does it for me in the creativity department. Have you tried? I am just not as weak willed or uncertain about my own mind that I fear mind altering substances or becoming dependent, not even opiates. The point was that you are as per usual more part of the problem you spend endless of words on than you seem to understand, here parroting state/church propaganda on "drugs". Spend more time thinking and reflecting, preferably high on something, and less time frantically typing. You need to break free of this politicized mind prison you live in.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Feb 02 06:27:51 Habebe 320z LOL that is almost 10 liters and exceeds the amount of WATER a normal person should have in day. Are you sure there isn't a 0 too much? I have not consumed weed for quite a while now, months. So, it is probably time :D Did have some shrooms a month ago, but not strong enough dose!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Feb 02 06:52:47 The propaganda around drugs are utterly shattered for my part. With proper due diligence, I am not taking things that are "innovative" and may actually hurt/kill you, but there is no drug out there that I can not take, repeatedly and walk away at the flip of a dime. It's because I am not a fucking moron, I know what I am doing (taking a substance) and am very mindful of the effects and side effects. I took tramadol for a shoulder pain for 4 days once, a wonderful substance btw, not only kills the pain it makes you feel euphoric and full of energy. But again since I am not a moron I also felt how each morning I increasingly felt shittier when the effects had subsided, the fifth day I didn't take it, I realized it was not a development I was enjoying. Since that day I have taken tramadol like a dozen time (over say 5-6 years) recreationally (it was probably 5 years since I took it). If you hand me one now I would pop it without thinking twice, because it is an awesome feeling and then I will be fine again. I just do not have any strong feelings towards the substance, it is what it is and it simply does not exist on any chart or map of my life that I fall into some addiction hellhole with this substance (or any substance). What I just wrote is unimaginable for the vast majority of people who have fallen for the state's drug propaganda. The truth is that substances only reveal flaws in your own nature. It is your choice what you do with that revelation.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Feb 05 23:02:19 [jergul]: "You think you wrote a satire of Snow White? Rofl. [/] You just spouted your usual CT nuttery with barely a reference to Snow White at all beyond some incoherent ramblings about "snow whitedness"" Lulz. Good to see jergul admitting that his negative critique came from a place of not even understanding what I wrote :D He doesn't even know all of the very *real* references I was making in my character descriptions (showing that he likely didn't even read the opening article of this thread!) so he thinks that it's "CT nuttery". Lol. So precious :D .. And lol. Had to return and laugh at Nim's fucking retarded belief that drugs have no negative effects on the mind :D Even caffeine has negative long-term effects (a short-term stimulant but a long-term depressant), but because Nim knows absolutely nothing about molecular neurobiology, he refers talk about the negative effects of drugs to his only frame of reference on the issue: random anti-drug talk from religious groups which he believes was mere "propaganda" simply because he hasn't heard about it in a while or hasn't heard it from robust sources (never mind his aversion to robust sources!). Lulz. I love Nim's immense ignorance informing his shit-takes :D He even cites Samuel Taylor Coleridge as a *positive* outcome of drug use! Fucking lol!! Did Nim just say that fucking *opium* is good for writing while citing someone whose life was fucking *ruined* by opium use and whose ability to publish works in later life waned due to drug use causing "weak-willed" neuropathies, inconsistent efforts, and a 20-year period of patroned vagrancy (this from Paul Cassar's biography of Coleridge)? :D :D :D Nim is like that fucking idiot kid in school who thought that he could get away with citing works which did not at all say what he thought that they said so that he could just say what he wanted without evidence — a strategy that works until someone actually looks at or knows his sources and sees how completely full of shit he is. An intellectually honest person might point out that Coleridge might have been prolific *beyond* the natural health of his 20s and 30s if he had not given himself over to drug-use and made his last 30 years a psychological mess where he could barely control his mind for long enough to put pen to paper before dying in solitude of drug-related ailments, but no, Nim thinks that "genius" happens in the opium den — just like some delinquent college kid who wants to smoke weed on a commune and imagine that he's somehow bottled the feelings of his drug-fueled hallucinations via bad poetry despite never having actually developed an artistic voice or a grasp of wordplay because he only ever practiced the drug use and not so much the word-use. Strange how the old delusion of "genius" from drug-use was in fact fueled by the poetic fancies of romanticism's authors who actually took the time to practice *word*-use; with "genius" arriving in multiple drafts, editing workshops of well-educated writers also working on their craft, and the work ethic of concerted efforts rather than just some connections that were magically divined while high! Almost like there's no getting around doing the fucking work! Stranger still that people think that drug-abuse in their high-neuroplasticity 20s is sustainable as a high-frequency habit in the 30s and beyond! And even stranger that a drug-advocate such as Nim has this strange habit of always failing to make his points — it couldn't be the drugs interrupting signals or interrupting a connection to the actual evidence around him, could it?? Of course not! He just needs more drugs so that he can better communicate the guttural messages of the DMT aliens!! lol ;D Nim's mantra of a never-becoming glory: "Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position, Such a heavy burden now to be "the one", Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending, To write it down for all the world to see.. But I forgot my pen, Shit the bed again, Typical,"
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jul 17 22:03:59 Some of you here were critiquing my joke script of Snow White (e.g., saying that it wasn't a script, having "barely a reference to Snow White at all").. but sample images of the cast have now been released: [Daily Mail; July 14th, 2023] http://www...ically-Correct-Companions.html (Short version is that these are not official photos but show the ideological direction Disney is going for their casting choices; this may not be official cast members but rather doubles used for wardrobe and body-type options; the title is apparently not going to be "Snow White", so it does indeed remove reference to the character.) More firm casting decisions are appearing on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6208148/ My fake script was a simple reflection of how these Marxist subversives write: they take an existing framework (e.g., the Snow White template of defeating an evil queen) and undermine all of its Western principles by using identity groups. So they don't think in terms of story; story is already there and merely needs to be degraded. They just write which useful identity groups need to fill slots and create Bechdel-Test dialogues for these characters after-the-fact. The Dungeons & Dragons movie (2023) is a pretty good example of how this is going to go for Snow White: family groups/allegiances demolished in favor of the new racialist collectivists, enemies are Western-types, the most powerful are those of the desired ethnic group, and the moral is to choose Chinese-style collectivism. And, of course, Disney has enough money that they don't have to care about audience backlash leading up to release. Gal Gadot apparently filmed her scenes already, which probably means that they can just green-screen everything in post-production. Principle filming wrapped on July 13th, so very little can be changed at this point. Disney would scrap entire sections of movies in the '90s if they didn't test well with audiences, but ESG principles override that imperative now.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jul 17 22:04:54 (Also notable how much my opinion of Nim has changed since this thread was first posted)
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 22:37:12 It's dumb. Best way to sum up this whole scenario. Disney wants to cash in on existing IPs because they don't think they can make successful new IPs. They do this fully aware they are damaging their brand possibly ruining the IPs. Also. The dwarves in snow white and the 7 dwarves weren't human. Meaning. They weren't humans suffering from dwarfism. They were their own magical species called dwarves who whistled while they worked and were named after their personalities. But I can see why people would want to turn this into some sort of woke issue. Tbh the real cynic in me thinks disney is doing this on purpose. Fully aware the movie will bomb but by forcing this issue they can create drama and attention because people will talk about how stupid and pointless it is to shove 2023 social awareness into a fantasy story originating from like 18th century Germany.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jul 17 22:52:26 [obaminated]: "Tbh the real cynic in me thinks disney is doing this on purpose. Fully aware the movie will bomb" There is an element of ESG that supports that. ESG requirements have an Uwe Boll dimension, which is that losing money in bad movies actually creates a profit for certain managers because of tax breaks and subsidies in "hidden" markets. So, Disney execs get paid more to sell ESG-compliant messaging than to make profits from ticket sales. One reason for this is that ESG governance collapses from within businesses that cannot sustain ESG's losses (e.g., an oil business would struggle to adapt to ESG because converting to "green" options to earn government subsidies is not actually profitable), but another is that ESG asset managers short-sell the businesses that it wants to collapse. This may be occurring with Budweiser: it is such an "American" image that it is more useful to collapse it than to convert it. If they cannot wear it as a skin suit to sell Western destruction, then they will simply collapse it. Disney holds such a large market share in the West that *either* option (propaganda or collapse) is useful to Western enemies.
kargen Member	Tue Jul 18 00:54:17 Dinklage is close to getting his wish to be the only working short little feller in Hollywood.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jul 19 09:54:19 CC We just got off on the wrong foot :) The footage of the Dwarves give me PTSD flashbacks to the random black people and elves in middle earth, without any explanation where they come from.
obaminated Member	Wed Jul 19 10:16:58 I didn't mind the blacks in rings of power. I mean. The amount of issues with the series was staggering and hiring black actors wasn't what killed it.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jul 19 10:47:41 Because you don't care about world creation. Tolkien is the father of fantasy world creation and he set the bar pretty high. There were no black people in the west, there were no black elves. Notwithstanding that you can do fan fiction or some kind of extended universe where such characters do exist. Some long lost tribe of elves from the southern parts of the world. Did they do that? No. And now the world of middle earth makes no sense. People are just born with random skin color. Did they even bother to say that much? Like in some press release? A memo?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jul 19 10:54:32 In some sense this is even worse than the butchery of The Wheel of Time that Amazon did. They just right out of the gate demolished the entire narrative explicitly, "The Dragon can be a man or a woman". So you knew the entire gendered dynamic of the magical system the underpinned the world was being scarified to Cthulhu for the sake of "equality". Disney just lazily raped middle earth's geography and meticulous coherency. Maybe they still manage to tell a good story on top of that, but I can't compartmentalize and isolate such stupidity from the rest of the story.
obaminated Member	Wed Jul 19 11:31:50 I take umbrage. Granted my love for lotr lore has diminished since my late teens/ early twenties but I do admire the world of asoiaf and found no problem with making the velaryons black in HoTD even though they are decendents of valyria like the targs. I can see an issue with a black elf. But a black Dwarf or a half black numenorean (sp) queen isn't something that would break immersion for me. Especially since id do something similar simply to shut up the inevitable mob of Karen's bitching about a fantasy show being completely white with other villains being black. Do they really care? Probably not. Would they watch the show? Probably not. Do fans of fantasy who are black/mexican/korean/brazilian/japanese/german/Norwegian care that the bulk of a show based in middle earth are cast as straight white males with British accents? Probably not. But a show requires compromise and placating the twitter mob of karens/blm/whatever leftist issue of the day with a figleaf is better than completely changing characters and history. Galadriel, Sauron and Elrond got butchered and that's way worse than having a fat black woman play a Dwarf. Even if canonically a female Dwarf in the eyes of any non-dwarf would look very similar to a male dwarf.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Jul 19 19:32:56 [obaminated]: “But a show requires compromise” “Never compromise — not even in the face of Armageddon.” The leftist thrives on his insane positions being moved left through compromises that never should have been made. LOTR should be gate-kept from small issues like the dwarf to large issues like Galadriel. Otherwise the left uses incrementalism to slowly undermine canon with “new” canon (think of how they slowly changed Star Wars). LOTR had such strict canon that not a drop of leftism should be accepted.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Jul 20 05:55:34 Carl Benjamin has a pretty funny ironic-Tweet on the subject of these Western revisionist stories: [July 19th, 2023] http://twi...kad/status/1681742170531790853
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jul 20 06:58:23 CC The first time I saw what I understand now as the slave/master hierarchy was with feminist making men the benchmark for female success. I think what you wrote about this using GoT was great and hit the spot. Such people are doomed to repeat the pattern because to them “power” is everything, heirarchies are zero sum games, you are either a slave or the master.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Jul 20 08:52:31 Thanks! And yes! Exactly. Mary Wollstonecraft's "A Vindication of the Rights of Woman" comes to mind. Wollstonecraft was resentful in a lot of this essay, and I don't condone all of her conclusions; but she's useful for proto-feminism (an Enlightenment attempt at today's outright slave-morality feminism) because one thing she realized was that for women to leave their "slave" status wherein women are trapped between being subjugated or sexual play-things, women must learn *virtue*. She lists a few things, like escaping narcissism/vanity, valuing chastity, and pursuing reason through Enlightenment education, but she mixes these virtues in with errors such as perpetually chasing education before making decisions that cannot be gotten back (i.e., pre-figures a cat lady). But the key positive thing is acquiring virtue as oneself and *earning* liberty through those virtues, which was an Enlightenment direction for feminism that was very similar to the U.S. founders' belief in their freedom through virtue and Robert Heinlein's recognition of authority and responsibility. But, yeah, modern, slave-morality feminism evades this pursuit of virtue. Instead, you see slave-morality feminists attempting to "rule" men or say, "The Future/Force Is Female" (e.g., Clinton and Star Wars' Kathleen Kennedy slogan). "Women's Liberation" became a shrugging of virtue for sexual depravity, divorce law became an escape clause for infidelity and the enslavement of men through alimony, and pursuing career at all costs meant not supporting civilization itself through the perpetual negligence of an over-extended childhood. So the key thing of slave-morality feminism is that it is not women who are interested in creating virtue in themselves — it is women interested in degrading society so that their lack of virtue is common enough that it is above reproach despite itself. In a noble society, people achieve virtue through their own actions, like a runner winning by training the best and running the fastest. In a slave society, people evade virtue by sabotaging the other runners, passing the finish line because everyone else was hobbled. The slave society degrades everyone.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Oct 28 05:42:01 "South Park: Joining the Panderverse | First Look Clip" [Paramount+; October 27th, 2023] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89cto-IvD98
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 28 05:50:43 Thank god we can still count on South Park.
murder Member	Sat Oct 28 07:36:28 "But the key positive thing is acquiring virtue as oneself and *earning* liberty through those virtues, which was an Enlightenment direction for feminism that was very similar to the U.S. founders' belief in their freedom through virtue and Robert Heinlein's recognition of authority and responsibility." And here I thought these freedoms were endowed by our Creator.
murder Member	Sat Oct 28 07:42:39 "So the key thing of slave-morality feminism is that it is not women who are interested in creating virtue in themselves — it is women interested in degrading society so that their lack of virtue is common enough that it is above reproach despite itself. In a noble society, people achieve virtue through their own actions, like a runner winning by training the best and running the fastest. In a slave society, people evade virtue by sabotaging the other runners, passing the finish line because everyone else was hobbled. The slave society degrades everyone." The lack of self-awareness is staggering. Those winning the race got to the front of the pack by doing exactly what you describe. They sabotaged the other runners. You also don't seem to understand that all you're advocating for a merit based society. One that would require a fair start for each individual ... as opposed to the benefits of accumulated generational wealth. And that's literally the last thing you'd support.
Forwyn Member	Sat Oct 28 12:47:06 "The Dragon can be a man or a woman". This one is actually pretty funny. It really shows how extensive they'll circle the wagons around literally any issue. Because they come out the gate rallying around the female main character, YAS QUEEN GRAB THAT CROWN, and one of the creators likens Alicent to a Trumpist, literally every one on the other side is a Nazi, to the point that they vehemently support the group beating of a child, and you don't have mEdIa LiTeRaCy if you say, "Hey wait a second".
Forwyn Member	Sat Oct 28 12:48:04 Ah yours was about Wheel of Time. Funnily enough HoTD immediately pushed the same theme.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Oct 29 08:48:37 [Left-wing Dogma Bot (murder)]: "The lack of self-awareness is staggering. Those winning the race got to the front of the pack by doing exactly what you describe. They sabotaged the other runners." Nice straw man claim, shitbag. I like how you just stupidly shifted pronouns without specificity to make this straw man seem like an argument. That is, "those winning the race" are *who*, exactly? Because, keep in mind, I am advocating specifically *against* those who sabotaged other runners for their nobility, you fucking idiot. [Left-wing Dogma Bot (murder)]: "And here I thought these freedoms were endowed by our Creator." Nice job misreading the Declaration just for a pathetic red herring. Did you believe that, or were you just hoping others would? In a noble society, what you in a slave society believe are "freedoms" (i.e., "positive rights") are the things which nobles achieve through difficult work rather than through taking them from others. That is, nobles do not define liberty as that which impels others to be their slaves. That is *your* sick state, where in *your* sickness *your* inverted morality has you scowl even at the word "noble". In other words, "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" are not taken from other people — they are "endowed" by a Creator in the John Locke sense that these freedoms are necessary for people to live and therefore governments must be restricted from affecting them. You, being a parasite, believe that positive rights and negative rights are *both* "liberty". In contrast, the unalienable Rights of the Declaration are *negative* Rights in that they cannot be taken away by fucktards such as yourself who simply want power for the sake of wanton destruction. The Declaration specifically recognizes that people who do that are the enemies of liberty (i.e., *you*). "Positive rights", on the other hands, are your bread and butter: the "rights" of vermin and destroyers who demand "free/universal health care" and services so long as they are on the backs of those stronger than yourself — since you intuitively recognize in yourself an everlasting weakness and despair that gives a vision for the future that merely reflects the grotesqueries that you cannot escape in any mirror that faces you. -=-= [Nim]: "Thank god we can still count on South Park." Hell yes! People such as Midnight's Edge were pointing out that South Park is late to the party here ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5cdjirq6lc ), but despite SP not knowing the full picture they have a much bigger audience that crosses left and right simply because they were making fun of pop culture before the psychosis. They'll reach a lot of people with this message.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 29 12:27:01 It looks like Disney has postponed the Snow white premier with 1 year and pictures suggest the 7 diverse creatures have been CGI:ed into dwarfs. Muhahahaha :)
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 29 13:18:31 Peter Dinkledge must be so proud :p
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