Utopia Talk / Politics / Canada bans handgun sales

Rugian rank	Tue May 31 00:41:43 2022 lol. What an authoritarian shithole.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 00:44:56 2022 Every inch given a mile is taken.
murder rank	Tue May 31 01:12:49 2022 Oh no! How will Canada protect itself from drunken American invaders now?
Sam Adams rank	Tue May 31 01:35:42 2022 And wants to sieze rifles. Lol. Will alberta and manitoba be our 51st and 52nd states in a few years?
nhill rank	Tue May 31 01:36:32 2022 We don’t want them do we? What do they bring to the table
OsamaIsDaWorstPresid rank	Tue May 31 01:48:30 2022 moose porns
Dukhat rank	Tue May 31 01:58:06 2022 More mouthbreather Republican senators.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 01:58:28 2022 Ive been thinking alot about Nimatzos and Sams points about effective gun control. What if until say age 24, you have to have a co signer. An older adult, presumably a parent/ guardian that states this person is responsible enough that I trust him with a gun to the point that I would take some responsibility. That puts a parent as partially responsible and ensures some sort of person to person contact. Just spitballing.Its not set in stone.
Dukhat rank	Tue May 31 01:58:57 2022 Let’s take on more failed oil states as the economy moves more and away from oil because legit gun owners may need to take some kind of training course. Oh noes!342
Rugian rank	Tue May 31 02:16:42 2022 Justin Trudeau might singlehandedly be dragging Canada out of the realm of liberal democracy. - Evoked emergency laws to ban the right to protest (unless the protest cause is one approved of by the state like BLM) - Froze the bank accounts of people SUPPORTING protestors - Locked down the country during Covid and had people arrested for violating quarantine - Speaks in glowing terms of Communist China and how efficient their system of government is at getting stuff done (as opposed to our quaint democratic system with all of its inconvenient checks and balances) - Cracked down on the right to bear arms (aka the single greatest defense against government tyranny) - Is the bastard child of Fidel Castro That this man thinks he can still speak for the Democratic world is a sick joke.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 02:20:52 2022 Are guns even a real issue in terms of negative uses in Canada? I guess it could be an interesting case study. It does trend away from liberal democracy/republic into authoritarian though and this osnt the first case for Trudeau.
Rugian rank	Tue May 31 02:28:16 2022 Oh, Canada will still be a representative democracy habebe. That won't change. What will change is the nature of government vs. the people. No more will individual liberties and limited government be valued; instead, the people's vote will be seen as a mandate for the government to do whatever it wants in the name of bettering society. If that means taking away all your freedoms in the name of keeping you safe, then so be it. The people voted for their representatives, so clearly this is the path they want. Canada will still be a democracy. A liberal democracy, not so much.
murder rank	Tue May 31 04:06:55 2022 "What if until say age 24, you have to have a co signer." You should always need a co-signer ... and that co-signer should be the free state whose well regulated militia you have joined, and who is vouching for you and accepting financial responsibility for any harm you or anyone else may do with that weapon.
Rugian rank	Tue May 31 04:11:53 2022 "You should always need a co-signer ... and that co-signer should be the free state whose well regulated militia you have joined, and who is vouching for you and accepting financial responsibility for any harm you or anyone else may do with that weapon." Imagine if you demanded this sort of treatment for the exercise of any other right. Hey everyone, did you know that voting determines who gets the keys to one of the largest array of nuclear weapons on the planet? Given the stakes involved, you should be at least 35 years old and gainfully employed in order to vote, and you should be held personally liable if the candidate you voted for does anything bad or illegal while in office. Let's see how well that proposal flies :o
Forwyn rank	Tue May 31 04:12:16 2022 Since we're spitballing, what if we just upped the adult age to 21? We've gone the opposite direction, because we always needed warm bodies to maintain obsolete armies. Instead of arguing about drinking age and smoking age and voting age for retarded 18 year olds because we're drafting them to Pacific shitholes, why don't we just stop drafting them and consider them adults at 21?
Cherub Cow rank	Tue May 31 04:34:15 2022 [Forwyn]: "Since we're spitballing, what if we just upped the adult age to 21?" I'd honestly be okay with that (a flat age of 21 for enlistment, firearms, sexual consent laws, and voting), and it would be a great move on the DNC's power grab. If the DNC really believes that 18-year-olds are too young to have firearms, then asking the DNC to give up their useful-idiot voting bloc in return should be no big deal. Of course, I don't think they'd realistically take the bait. Their pedophiles want a *lower* age of consent, and they've already been trying to lower the voting again to capitalize on high school indoctrination successes. [Rugian]: "Justin Trudeau might singlehandedly be dragging Canada out of the realm of liberal democracy." He's just playing his part in the global totalitarian order. Every time he erodes the rights of his citizens, he gets an invite to a secret masked orgy. [Rugian]: "Let's see how well that proposal flies :o" Oof. A lot of Obama voters would suddenly care about Obama drone-striking American citizens in Yemen.
murder rank	Tue May 31 05:06:54 2022 "Imagine if you demanded this sort of treatment for the exercise of any other right." The 2nd Amendment is pretty fucking specific in its intent.
murder rank	Tue May 31 05:08:08 2022 "Instead of arguing about drinking age and smoking age and voting age for retarded 18 year olds because we're drafting them to Pacific shitholes, why don't we just stop drafting them and consider them adults at 21?" With the number of adults living at home with their parents, you may as well raise the age to 30.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 05:08:55 2022 See, people like murder are the reason I don't want allow what would otherwise see as reasonable gun laws. You give an inch and they want a mile. That is why gun lobbyist groups usually opt against almost any laws. They get abused. Ban mentally ill people, sounds reasonable.But who decides what mentally ill is? Does ADHD or aspbergers mean you shouldn't have a gun? That seems dumb, paranoid schizophrenic? Yeah ok, your beat, no gun. That said this still does nothing to stop the bulk of the murders.Which lets face it young black men with hand guns is a major chunk of them. 14-17 yr old black men murder more than 10x that of white and Hispanic kids combined. Obviously the age limits in place now do nothing to stop that. Sen will whine and cry amd say this is irrelevant.But it's not a one year fluke, something is going on beyond poverty.West VA is poorer than Chicago, they don't shoot 70+ people in a weekend.
murder rank	Tue May 31 05:11:48 2022 "Hey everyone, did you know that voting determines who gets the keys to one of the largest array of nuclear weapons on the planet? Given the stakes involved, you should be at least 35 years old and gainfully employed in order to vote, and you should be held personally liable if the candidate you voted for does anything bad or illegal while in office." Well that would put all Trump voters in jail, so I'm all for it.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 05:12:39 2022 Or if you cant get a co signer at the young age, you join a club like Nimatzo reccomended. But again, my gut says the left will abusenit the government will spy in them illegally, is it worth that risk? IDK. Injust don't trust them fuckers.
murder rank	Tue May 31 05:13:41 2022 "See, people like murder are the reason I don't want allow what would otherwise see as reasonable gun laws. You give an inch and they want a mile." Did you hit your head? What inch or mile? I didn't mention a single fucking restriction. Not a single one.
murder rank	Tue May 31 05:15:38 2022 "Ban mentally ill people, sounds reasonable.But who decides what mentally ill is?" There's an entire branch of medicine dedicated to that.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 05:16:24 2022 " You should always need a co-signer ... and that co-signer should be the free state whose well regulated militia you have joined, and who is vouching for you and accepting financial responsibility for any harm you or anyone else may do with that weapon." Forwyn mentioned age of 21, you want 30. FYI, handguns are limited to 21 yr olds. I remember buying .22's at Wal-Mart and when they swipes my ID they asked if it was for a pistol or rifle, because if it was for a pistol she couldnt sell it to 19 yr old me..... How dumb is that.
murder rank	Tue May 31 05:16:42 2022 "But again, my gut says the left will abusenit the government will spy in them illegally, is it worth that risk? IDK." Are you drunk? Google knows who every single gun owner in America is. You think the government doesn't?
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 05:17:12 2022 Every time someone proposes something reasonable, you want stricter.
murder rank	Tue May 31 05:20:28 2022 I've made one single proposal. Enforcing the 2nd Amendment.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue May 31 05:25:31 2022 [Left-Wing Dogma Bot]: "Are you drunk? Google knows who every single gun owner in America is. You think the government doesn't?" Lulz. Another good one from this satire account. :D The left really does think that you can just search for every gun owner in the U.S. In reality, law enforcement is typically forced to canvas gun shops and check purchase histories to find that information on the back end. And this doesn't account for person-to-person sales or illegal sales, of course, so "every single gun owner" would be a hilarious error by left-wing dogma. Solid satire.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 06:11:35 2022 Mass shootings are like shark attacks. Rare, but scary.Shark attacks are probably more rare depending on what definition you use. But rifles are not preffered methods of civillian murders.But they get a disproportionate amount of discussion. If we're going to look at homocides in general as something, assault weapons and age restrictions don't address that. Figuring out why young black men have a drastically higher rate of homocides will. Hispanics at about 17% in poverty, blacks 18-19%. And its really probably higher when you factor in illegals that don't get counted, probably about the same now. So why are 14-17 yr olds of similar economic standing so much more homocidal? And to be clear 99%+ of them are not, but the outliers lead to a massive amount of homocides. I think its similar to Ashkenazi Jews tend to have slightly higher IQ's which the outliers than have extremes that lewd to them being disproportionatley more represented as scientists and such. I could be wrong, but it's the elephant in the room.
murder rank	Tue May 31 06:13:19 2022 "Lulz. Another good one from this satire account. :D The left really does think that you can just search for every gun owner in the U.S." Gun owners have online patterns just like people who are into midget porn. You worry about a government gun owner registry. I'm telling you they already have one. And they probably know exactly what kind of guns you have too.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 06:16:24 2022 Are you telling me you wouldn't bang a midget?
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 06:19:38 2022 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Eaton Im just saying, Id hit it.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue May 31 06:23:31 2022 [Left-Wing Dogma Bot]: "Gun owners have online patterns just like people who are into midget porn." Ah, I figured we'd see another deflection from the Dogma Bot (a repeat of his above "raise the age to 30" followed by his lie of "I've made one single proposal."). He just claimed that "Google knows", but now he's changing the goal post to back-end data mining (which was *my* point). Data mining, at best, relies on self-reporting and probability rather than the certainty that investigators inevitably use: canvasing gun shops and checking purchase histories. The reality is that gun nuts who post their entire inventory on social media constitute a minority of ownership. Back-end tracking deals with probabilities, not certainties. Denying this would invite conspiracy theories about the FBI allowing attacks to happen.. and that's not something the left-wing bots would address.
murder rank	Tue May 31 06:27:38 2022 "Ah, I figured we'd see another deflection from the Dogma Bot (a repeat of his above "raise the age to 30" followed by his lie of "I've made one single proposal.")." Good god you are retarded. I made no such proposal.
murder rank	Tue May 31 06:29:18 2022 "Denying this would invite conspiracy theories about the FBI allowing attacks to happen.. and that's not something the left-wing bots would address." The FBI and the NSA are not the same thing.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue May 31 07:43:39 2022 [Left-Wing Dogma Bot]: "The FBI and the NSA are not the same thing." lol. The Dogma Bots always deflect :D [Left-Wing Dogma Bot]: "Good god you are retarded. I made no such proposal." lol. I love the gas-lighting :D Anyone can scroll up and see Dogma Bot's own words: "With the number of adults living at home with their parents, you may as well raise the age to 30." It's funny, because even a *reasonable* person would explain this away by saying, "I was just joking. I was making a stab at how a lot of kids still live with their parents. In reality, I do not believe the age should be raised to 30." Is that what the Dogma Bot did? Nope! Instead, it was the old "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender" (DARVO) strategy. I.e., deny he said it, attack anyone who claimed that he said it, and then pretend that anyone who said it is "retarded".. when.. *he* is the one who is retarded. lol. Best satire account of UP, 2022 winner :D
nhill rank	Tue May 31 07:52:59 2022 It’s a fair point, if we are targeting maturity we have to account for psychological neotony.
Habebe rank	Tue May 31 10:37:45 2022 In all fairness, canada should just go completely gun free. No guns in the police/military etc. Just pay the US, we have plenty of enough military to take care of them.
murder rank	Tue May 31 15:44:12 2022 "Anyone can scroll up and see Dogma Bot's own words" Yes anyone can scroll up and read that. And some will even understand it. "It's funny, because even a *reasonable* person would explain this away by saying, "I was just joking. I was making a stab at how a lot of kids still live with their parents. In reality, I do not believe the age should be raised to 30."" I don't need to say that, because only the dishonest or the retarded wouldn't catch that right off. But regardless of how you wish to read it, I made no proposal.
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