Utopia Talk / Politics / WH demands censorship of policy critics

Rugian Member	Tue Jun 14 05:55:07 Do you have concerns about climate policies featuring a transition away from fossil fuels? Prepare to be banned from the internet: ----- "During an Axios event on Thursday, Gina McCarthy, the White House's climate adviser, said tech companies need to crack down on the spread of false and misleading information about the climate crisis. While flat-out climate denial has waned, McCarthy said misinformation on major social media platforms persists in a different but “equally dangerous” form. Specifically, she said a small but vocal group of users are repeatedly using tech and social media platforms to sow doubt about the feasibility of the energy transition. The transition to zero-carbon technologies isn't just doable; it's necessary. And most importantly, it's happening. Yet McCarthy said the entrenched fossil fuel interests are "seeding, basically, doubt about the costs" of the clean energy. "We need the tech companies to really jump in," she added. Major tech companies — including, mostly recently, Twitter and Pinterest — have tried to tackle some forms of misinformation. In the case of Twitter, the company said it would block advertisements that “contradict the scientific consensus on climate change.” However, the stripe of misinformation that McCarthy is most worried about continues to be insidious and widespread. A recent Media Matters study on the spread of climate and energy misinformation on Facebook found that a large portion of posts use “energy independence” as a justification for drilling for more fossil fuels, amid a lot of hand-wringing about our dependence on foreign energy. These kinds of posts are replete with inaccuracies and lies, but are rarely labeled as misinformation nor are they fact-checked." http://www...limate-disinformation-big-tech
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Jun 14 09:14:17 Dude did you cry that Alex Jones for fined for spreading conspiracies about sandy hook? You're allowed to say stuff thats true but not spread stuff thats been debunked 500 times as loud as you can and ignore reality - kinda like what you did with trumps election loss
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Jun 14 09:16:16 What did you think about this though dude http://www...ws-threat-latest-a7994861.html Donald Trump threatens to shut down NBC and other TV news networks that criticise him
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 14 12:00:40 "a large portion of posts use “energy independence” as a justification for drilling for more fossil fuels, amid a lot of hand-wringing about our dependence on foreign energy. These kinds of posts are replete with inaccuracies and lies" not wrong... & Hannity pushes this repeatedly... implying under Trump we were 'energy independent' & thus unaffected by global oil prices, a TOTAL LIE (& a nonsense argument you see all over) i don't see any demands for censorship, it's light on her actual quotes & she has no power over them anyway but the argument that 'people are smart enough to figure out the truth' is ridiculous & self-evidently false (as even a Trump cultist should agree as they wrongly believe the left is all fooled about that obvious fraud) we definitely need better means of stopping misinformation... not offering any solutions myself (beyond putting down anyone who thinks Trump is honest & hard-working)
Habebe Member	Tue Jun 14 15:57:07 1. He didn't threaten to shut them down. He said "At what point is it justified to chalenge their license" There doesn't seem any real intent to have their license pulled, just ranting.It seems a sensationalized story.
Habebe Member	Tue Jun 14 16:00:20 AFAIK we are still energy independant. Meaning we don't need to import energy on any sort of large scale. Not counting small amounts generally due to geography.
kargen Member	Tue Jun 14 16:21:04 "In the case of Twitter, the company said it would block advertisements that “contradict the scientific consensus on climate change.”" The problem being what is the consensus. When they first started mentioning consensus it turned out they only took the opinions of scientists that belonged to one specific organization. Most do agree the climate is changing and we are having some impact. There really is no consensus on how much affect man is having on that change. And there is definitely little or no consensus on what to do about it. If this current crop of activists were around in 1893 they would have said 'hey look a car. We should kill all the horses' You can't get rid of fossil fuels until there is something in place that is reliable and readily available to all. It still cracks me up that protestor parachuted into a stadium with a sign calling for the end of all fossil fuels and his parachute was made using fossil fuels. And we should be able to say whatever the fuck we want on social media so long as we are not inciting violence and maybe a regulation or two on slander. It should be on the people reading the posts to decide what is true and what is not.
RepublicanRetard Member	Tue Jun 14 16:43:22 DRILL BABY DRILL
Habebe Member	Tue Jun 14 16:45:50 Im all onboard that greenhouse gases, largely from FF use are largely contributing to CC. That is consensus. Policy on that, is another story.Many well intentioned policies have been enacted that are just dumb. 1. Ethanol gas, destroys vehicles, carbs, rubber seals, gaskets, fuel pumps etc. While losing fuel efficiency as it costs more energy, all around bad policy that probably has a net negative effect on CC. 2.Germany, possibly the dumbest energy policy Ive ever seen. They shut down CLEAN nuclear plants and built wind farms, while resorting to fossil fuels to meet gaps. Not to mention funding the Russian military and the Ukrainian invasion. Just dumb, really dumb. Im all for lowering our emissions, with smart policies like a massive investment in nuclear and perhaps hydro where available. Maybe* incentivize truckers to go electric, but only if we have the available power to meet the demands. Our electric grid all around needs a total revamp TBH. IDK why we can't replace every coal plant with nuclear, while also finding jobs to replace that lost by coal, its a naturally during industry anyway.
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