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Rugian
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Mon Jun 20 03:56:28
"Leftist With Plans to Upend Economy Wins Colombia Presidency

Former guerrilla Gustavo Petro, who pledges to expand state control of the economy, overcomes decades of establishment rule in U.S.’s top Latin America ally"

http://www...ntial-race-11655678997?mod=mhp

It seems like much of Latin America has fallen to the far left in recent years.

-Peru: just elected a bona fide Marxist president

-Argentina: led by a Peronist

-Bolivia: led by a former Morales flunky

-Mexico: led by wannabe dictator AMLO

-Chile: led some by millennial leftist dickbag who wants to rewrite the constitution to turn the country into a socialist dystopia

-Honduras: led by the wife of the guy who was previously overthrown for trying to illegally rewrite the constitution

-Nicaragua: led by a former Sandinista dictator who managed to worm his way back into office

-Venezuela: Maduro, duh

Basically the only major country the right still controls is Brazil, and unfortunately that chad Bolsonaro is on track to lose to a leftist who previously served jail time for being a corrupt dirtbag.

For reasons unknown, voters in Latin America seem intent on electing anti-democratic far-left revolutionaries. This is worrisome to say the least.
murder
Member
Mon Jun 20 07:29:04

"WTF is going on in Latin America"

Inequality and voting rights don't mix.

Rugian
Member
Mon Jun 20 07:32:35
Good thing the GOP is taking yours away then. Muwahahahahaha
murder
Member
Mon Jun 20 07:46:57

This always makes me laugh because I've been having this argument on the internet since the 90s. Since I was still a Republican. And right wingers are always confused by this.

Right wingers gripe about the poor getting "free stuff", completely oblivious to the fact that taking care of the poor is what keeps them from rising up and taking what you won't give them ... and potentially much more.

Things like universal healthcare aren't socialism. Socialism is what happens when too many people don't get healthcare. Things like making sure that everyone has enough to eat and a roof over their heads isn't socialism ... it's the only enduring protection for capitalism.

When the people at the bottom are too poor or too numerous, they will revolt.

Republicans see this happen over and over again, and they are confounded every single time.


The lesson is that if you want to be free to get obscenely wealthy ... make sure that the people at the bottom are taken care of.

murder
Member
Mon Jun 20 07:48:36

"Good thing the GOP is taking yours away then. Muwahahahahaha"

Not mine. As a white Cuban American my vote is safe because Republicans assume I will vote Republican.

Dukhat
Member
Mon Jun 20 09:03:12
Republicans got cheap. They think they don't have to buy the votes of the poor anymore. They can just divide and conquer them by pitting the white poor against everyone else.

And it works because white poor people love pretending they ain't poor and are superior just because of their whiteness. THey won't say as much. They'll hide it in terms of saying, they follow the law and other people don't and other bullshit like that.

Habebe
Member
Mon Jun 20 13:29:37
Murder, There is a large Right wing populist movement that is very much in favor of many things like UHC.

Most wouldn't call me a lefty but Im in favor of UHC. As a matter of fact, even Milton Friedman has stated that single payer is better than what the US does.He prefers a HC savings account, but realizes that giving a monopoly access to captive consumers isnt made "free market" by allowing them to charge whatever they want.

It cant be both a government enforced monopoly and let the monopolies then set prices. Itnhas to be a trade off.
Habebe
Member
Mon Jun 20 13:52:15
Friedman was against UBI, however only in the execution. He was a proponent of a negative income tax distributed monthly to the poor.

In substance, they have the same goal.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 20 20:44:50
"The lesson is that if you want to be free to get obscenely wealthy ... make sure that the people at the bottom are taken care of."

Or pretend to. Democratic politicians in urban shitholes keep magically becoming multi-millionaires while the abject poor remain abjectly poor and become convinced its because of muhhhhhh white supremacy
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jun 20 21:14:33
Foreskin’s whatsboutism. Nyc elected bloomberg and more moderate mayors (giuliani before he became fucking crazy). Noncompetitive elections cause corruption.

But you dont care because you are a far-right extremist imbecile looking for confirmation bias.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 20 21:35:56
It's not a whataboutism, you fucking retard. You always regurgitate these fucking buzzwords like it makes you intelligent. Muhhhhhhh gaslighting!

Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, DC, Portland, Seattle, SanFran, St Louis, Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio, Memphis, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, Birmingham, but sure, NYC had a neocon in 2000 followed by a gun-grabbing Democrat who framed himself as a moderate during election time. lol
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Jun 20 21:39:02
The average iq in these states is about 90. Thats even lower than here. Of course they make dumb political choices.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jun 20 22:20:06
Lol. You fucking dumbass. You built a wall of willful ignorance, i got you to explode just like cherub. What a pathetic piece shit you are. I only hope that your children are escape you deep bigotry.

And almost none of the mayors of the cities you listed became rich. The one that did, your fucking presidential candidate Trump pardoned.

So fuck you. Dumbass bigot.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jun 20 22:20:06
Lol. You fucking dumbass. You built a wall of willful ignorance, i got you to explode just like cherub. What a pathetic piece shit you are. I only hope that your children are escape you deep bigotry.

And almost none of the mayors of the cities you listed became rich. The one that did, your fucking presidential candidate Trump pardoned.

So fuck you. Dumbass bigot.
murder
Member
Mon Jun 20 22:39:15

"The average iq in these states is about 90. Thats even lower than here. Of course they make dumb political choices."

...

"Mr. Petro is the first leftist and first former insurgent to be elected president in Colombia, a country with a long history of guerrilla conflict. Francia Márquez, a 40-year-old human-rights activist, will become vice president, the first Black politician and second woman to hold that post."


This guy is the first left-winger they've elected, so I don't know how to interpret your comment.

Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 20 22:51:39
"explode"

rofl

"And almost none of the mayors of the cities you listed became rich."

rofl
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