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murder
Member
Tue Jun 21 19:14:31
Broken Arrow open-carry incident raises law enforcement questions

An incident in Broken Arrow a week ago raised fresh questions about how witnesses and law enforcement should respond when people walk around in public armed with assault-style rifles.

A man in a tactical vest with a semi-automatic rifle and holstered pistol prompted Broken Arrow Justice Center employees to lock their doors June 13, according to a news release.

AT&T store employees who then saw the man proceeded to “run out the back of the store,” and multiple 911 calls came from the parking lot of a Target store that he was walking toward, Broken Arrow police said.

Due to Oklahoma’s constitutional carry laws, police determined that at each location the man “was not breaking the law” with the rifle and vest.

But “quite honestly, nobody needs to be walking down the street with a rifle,” Rogers County Sheriff Scott Walton said in an interview about dealing with such situations. “But I don’t make the laws; we just try to live by them and do a very difficult job in a world that’s got those people in it.”

Sometimes there isn’t much police can do when a person is armed with a semi-automatic rifle in public.

Passed by the state Legislature in early 2019, constitutional carry gives Oklahomans the right to carry firearms without a permit or training.

In the case of the man in Broken Arrow, police said that for three reasons — he didn’t have the firearms with him when he tried to enter the Justice Center; the AT&T store did not have a “no firearms allowed” sign posted; and he did not actually try to enter the Target — no laws were broken with regard to his carrying the semi-automatic rifle.

To be continued for reasons that will become obvious ...

murder
Member
Tue Jun 21 19:20:52

The relevant part of Part 2 ...

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He was arrested, however, after he was found to have a recently-issued unrelated warrant and to be in possession of an over .45-caliber firearm and brass knuckles, both of which are illegal in Oklahoma.
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Turns out the law abiding citizen who couldn't be arrest for carrying around an assault rifle ...

1. Had an outstanding warrant.

2. Was carrying around a > .45 caliber firearm (pistol?) ... which is illegal in Oklahoma for some random reason.

3. Was in possession of brass knuckles which is illegal in Oklahoma.


It is perfectly legal to carry around an assault rifle in plain view of everyone ... but brass knuckles are illegal.

Amazing!

murder
Member
Tue Jun 21 19:21:53

Here is the link to the whole article ...

http://tul...b3-11ec-806d-bb938b4a6b13.html

Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 21 19:31:38
It wasn't an assault rifle.
murder
Member
Tue Jun 21 19:40:24

Would it make you feel better if I said assault weapon?

http://ktu...carrying-rifle-in-retail-store

Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 21 19:43:59
Personally I don't see what's wrong with simply saying "rifle," but sure, at least assault weapon wouldn't be factually incorrect.

Honest question, does it even register with you that the language the media uses to describe these guns is loaded as hell? "Assault-style weapon," wtf.
Habebe
Member
Tue Jun 21 19:45:46
Wouldn't all weapons be assualt weapons?

Like wet liquids.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 21 20:04:39
a weapon designed for military use but slightly nerfed
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 21 20:13:18
and why do cops talk of being ‘outgunned” vs these weapons if they’re all just the same shit


also the Uvalde classroom door wasn’t even locked! the cops just never bothered to try to open it... (not terribly related to this thread just shocking new info that came out & not sure a thread about it :p)

murder
Member
Tue Jun 21 20:22:02

"Honest question, does it even register with you that the language the media uses to describe these guns is loaded as hell? "Assault-style weapon," wtf."

Yes.

Honest question, does it even register with you that so is the look of the weapons? That they look like assault rifles because they want to feed into that mindset? That they are designed to look like the types of weapons that are normally used to shoot other humans rather than the types of weapons that are normally associated with shooting other types of animals, because they want to put people in the mindset of warfare?

murder
Member
Tue Jun 21 20:24:19

"also the Uvalde classroom door wasn’t even locked! the cops just never bothered to try to open it... (not terribly related to this thread just shocking new info that came out & not sure a thread about it :p)"

The police there must have spent all 90 minutes concocting lies, because every single thing they said was 100% bullshit.

I'm still waiting for confirmation that the shooter didn't commit suicide.

Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 21 20:36:50
"Honest question, does it even register with you that so is the look of the weapons? That they look like assault rifles because they want to feed into that mindset? That they are designed to look like the types of weapons that are normally used to shoot other humans rather than the types of weapons that are normally associated with shooting other types of animals, because they want to put people in the mindset of warfare?"

No, because

a) the design of the AR-15 is based on the function of its various components (it "looks" the way it does because that's how it needs to "look" to work correctly),

b) an AR-15 is not a hunting weapon, and no one here has ever pretended otherwise,

c) both hunting and personnel guns can "look" like anything; neither one has an aesthetic that's inherent to its function,

d) related to (c), most hunting guns look like guns that you would probably consider to be weapons of war (ask your average non-gun owner to explain the difference between a Ruger 10/22 and an M1 Garand for example),

e) People buy AR-15s because they're reliable, easy to operate, and fun to shoot, not because the gun's design causes them to subconsciously think about how they can mow down a cafeteria of school children with one

Hope I answered your question.
Rugian
Member
Tue Jun 21 20:42:14
Actually, speaking of the M1.

If the Uvalde killer had gone into that school with one of these, instead of an AR-15, do you think his body count would have been substantially lower?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3SpA3TLRY
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