Utopia Talk / Politics / NATO mobilizes

Paramount Member	Mon Jun 27 09:06:09 NATO to massively increase high-readinees forces to 300,000 http://reu...o-300-000-stoltenberg/a/8Q2EJ1 I thought it was important to refrain from escalating the conflict. At least that it what Blinken been saying. I think we can now expect that Russia will mobilize an army of 1,000,000 along its borders to Nato. Let da war BEGIN!
Habebe Member	Mon Jun 27 09:12:21 The US has had boots in the ground in the Ukraine (CIA) for a while now per NYT.
murder Member	Mon Jun 27 10:50:14 "I thought it was important to refrain from escalating the conflict." What conflict?
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jun 27 11:07:52 the conflict where nato and it's proxy are getting their collective nazi asses kicked by a shirtless bear riding putin.
murder Member	Mon Jun 27 11:13:38 lol :o)
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 27 11:57:19 Yup, that conflict.
murder Member	Mon Jun 27 12:13:00 Which conflict?
Dukhat Member	Mon Jun 27 16:48:42 I call dips on a Moscow Penthouse. This invasion gonna be off the hook dawg.
murder Member	Mon Jun 27 17:53:25 I'd call dibs instead, but who the fuck wants to spend time in Russia?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Mon Jun 27 17:56:58 If WW3 does pop off, do we STILL think there will be people who believe that shutting down the global economy over a very bad cold season will in aggregate have "saved" lives, much less person-years of life? It's clear that I'm regarded of as a cook for tying Ukraine-Russia to COVID with a line of causality, and thus the famine currently gearing up to kill swaths of people in the global south, so basically will that still be true when we connect the global economy shutdown to WW3 in Europe?
murder Member	Mon Jun 27 18:01:37 "If WW3 does pop off, do we STILL think there will be people who believe that shutting down the global economy over a very bad cold season will in aggregate have "saved" lives, much less person-years of life?" If WWIII did pop off and we hadn't shut down the global economy over a pandemic that has killed > 6,000,000 people worldwide, will there still be people who believe that saving the economy in the short term made any kind of difference?
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jun 27 18:18:35 there won't be a ww3. nato and the nazis will capitulate and beg for peace cause of all the winning they be doin! "a pandemic that has killed > 6,000,000 people worldwide" yeah and the russians made trump president. slava corona!
jergul large member	Mon Jun 27 22:38:30 Keep your pants on. Nato does not have the capacity to do this and supply Ukraine. Its a by 2035 kind of plan.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Jun 28 02:15:44 "pandemic that has killed > 6,000,000 people worldwide" Most of them were folks that would have died within a few years anyways. The 8 year old Ukrainian girl had like 70 years to go, grandpa who died from COVID generously had 5 years left. Furthermore, it remains to be seen how many this global famine that Western Leaders have engineered will kill. Don't get all up in a huffy over 6m dead, we may very well just be getting started.
Habebe Member	Tue Jun 28 02:43:34 Wouldn't fewer people have died if they had agreed to split the country early on instead of dragging out an insurgency?
LazyCommunist Member	Tue Jun 28 02:52:08 habebe is spot on! Don't resist against Russia and you may live another day!
murder Member	Tue Jun 28 06:23:34 "Most of them were folks that would have died within a few years anyways." We will all die within a few years anyway.
murder Member	Tue Jun 28 06:24:51 "Wouldn't fewer people have died if they had agreed to split the country early on instead of dragging out an insurgency?" Fewer people would die if we rounded up all the shitty people and had a mass culling.
Seb Member	Thu Jun 30 04:47:21 earthpig: https://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/too-young-die-age-and-death-covid-19-around-globe Extrapolating developed world breakdown where intensive care treatment is available to global patterns is myopic. 11% of deaths were under 65 in highest income countries. 40% of deaths in upper middle income countries were under 65 54% of deaths in lower middle income countries were under 65 And the US was an outlier in higher income countries in that more younger people died. On top of that we are seeing quite a lot of long term impact of covid for many people who didn't die. Russia's expansionism isn't much to do with covid - it's a long term plan and would have happened at any point - I'm not sure you can even say covid was a trigger event.
Seb Member	Thu Jun 30 04:49:05 Habebe: "Wouldn't fewer people have died if they had agreed to split the country early on instead of dragging out an insurgency?" No. He would have waited a few more years and attacked again. Like he did after 2014.
jergul large member	Thu Jun 30 13:38:14 "NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said on Monday that NATO “will increase the number of our high readiness forces to well over 300,000.” But it now appears that number is more aspirationa" CNN
jergul large member	Thu Jun 30 14:18:10 Swedish finnish natomembership conditional on sweden extraditing 78 people. That will never happen. So the can has merely been kicked down road.
Paramount Member	Thu Jun 30 14:57:26 ” That will never happen.” With the Social Democrats in the government anything can happen. Just a few weeks ago they said we will never join Nato.
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