Utopia Talk / Politics / Another Reason Hot Rod Isnt Dead?

nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 09:55:34 http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=12 "Hot Rod Member Sun Aug 17 22:09:37 ode geeza cant evin try 2 Mek 10 postez And alridy wantId to Bee da modrater" He accidently posted in BushIsDaBestPresid style. No one should have Hot Rod's password other than "himself", even though he was someone's multi that they got tired of running (working theory). If BushIsDaBestPresid accidentally posted in Hot Rod style, that wouldn't mean anything (as that would be a troll). But Hot Rod breaking character and accidentally posting as BushIsDaBestPresid is much stronger assertion. Unless there are technical factors of which I'm unaware where someone could have a duplicate username (as opposed to a misspelling like Hot R0d which became very common).
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 10:04:42 The explanation in the thread is obviously that BIDP impersonated Hot Rod, not the other way around. No confirmation from Turtle Crawler, and Turtle Crawler probably runs a bunch of multis even to this day. "hES tOo buSy tO viSiT tHe sIte" Okay, heh. Anyways, still don't believe HR was real (yet).
Dukhat Member	Tue Jun 28 10:12:28 Pretty sure Turtle Crawler pretended to be Aeros recently. Guy became some Trumper because of BLM riots. Yeah right. TC masturbatory fantasy.
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 10:13:43 I bet Turtle Crawler has a ton of multis. There's no way he's only posted 2000 times here in history despite running the site.
murder Member	Tue Jun 28 10:22:15 That was when TC first opened the board. Anyone could have logged in with the Hot Rod name. That's why I did this series of posts. http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=59
murder Member	Tue Jun 28 10:24:32 "Pretty sure Turtle Crawler pretended to be Aeros recently. Guy became some Trumper because of BLM riots. Yeah right. TC masturbatory fantasy." Many people went down that rabbit hole.
murder Member	Tue Jun 28 10:25:22 "I bet Turtle Crawler has a ton of multis. There's no way he's only posted 2000 times here in history despite running the site." Are any of them nhill?
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 10:31:02 Probably. He has my password and can use it at any time. But as of now, no. My proof is that if I was TC I'd use the database instead of writing a python script to scrape the website. But maybe I planned this and seeded that python script as proof of not being TC all along? The plot thickens... *hands murder his detective hat and pipe*
BushIsDaBestPresid Member	Tue Jun 28 11:00:46 jargul nedz 2 delite dis thred hot rod wuz da guardian of UP an da best postar evar and shuld b maid modateter
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 11:56:18 Hot Rod was you, apparently. :P
Pillz Member	Tue Jun 28 15:41:53 I believe I know the most about Turtle Crawler here, so for fun I'll post what I know about him and you can all run with it. In 2008 when OMAC bought Swirve there was immediate backlash on the forums, particularly with regards to the plan to launch the new forum and when confronted with the prospect of increased moderation standards. In the Utopia-related boards we decided to go to war with them. Ultimately since Bishop (a former Heretics player and prolific troll) became head moderator and in-game support, we won that (but we made him pay for being a turncoat all the same). However UP went berserk immediately, and UGT are all special snowflakes so they decided to revolt as well. Earth 2025, from my understanding, took an even more hard line stance than Utopia did. Queue Turtle Crawler, who had within a couple of weeks launched clones of UP/UGT and the Earth Boards. During war against OMAC it was prohibited from posting links to this forum, and OMAC claimed they owned the copyright to the layout and color scheme and stuff. At some point during this period (Id say around the time the current banner went up) I was contacted by a guy named Pangea or Pangolin or something. He mentioned that he and TC were involved in a venture together and he was concerned about the attention OMAC was paying to the forums because of my crusade. It turns out that the venture they were collaborating on was Earth Empires, I guess. Shortly afterwards, OMAC(under the name Jolt after purchasing Jolt) shuttered Earth 2025 citing excessive technical difficulty maintaining the code base and no interest in developing a new one. Earth Empires was launched, and eventually given the greenlight by Jolt despite being an exact replica to the original. This surprised everybody. Worth noting at this time there was a community effort underway in Utopia to launch a clone as well. This was overseen initially by Catt and myself and eventually produced Battlefields (which was forced to rename to Mythea), by fogtopia. Other clones were made as well, and early in the Battlefield process the initiative was co-opted by fogtopia to create a new, monetizable game (which is why mythea is p2w trash). None of the developers were interested in an actual Utopia clone, and all wanted to become wealthy off of a reimagining of Utopia (lol). Fogtopia had legal issues with Jolt (like over the original Battefields name) and he is dead now. Someone else runs it. Kudos to TC and Pangolin for actually being able to hold true to the original Earth 2025. Earth succeeded where Utopia failed. Anyways, over the years I've tried to check up on Earth Empires and have ventured over there to find TC. I learnt that not long after the launch, TC was forced out of the game by the community because of a scandal whereby an alliance was given back-end access to the game-wide Intel tool. I got differing accounts as to how this all went down. Some claimed he was a snake and liar and had intentionally given his friends access to cheat, others that he was just a nice guy who had been taken advantage of. Some were happy he'd left, others indifferent. Presumably he still, around that time and maybe for a few years afterwards, still lurked the boards and played the game. I imagine he still does. And that's all I know. The hero we needed, a man of unwavering integrity who cloned everything asked of him, mired by scandal. I don't think he runs any multies here and I don't think he posts here under any other names. Pretty sure he doesn't care about this place whatsoever, other than that he's a nice guy who enjoys giving us a place to post. He didn't post on the original UP afaik, and only noticed us because of the whole OMAC thing. The only effort he needs to put into this place is making sure the disk doesn't run out of space, and as we've seen by all the times UP has gone down it isn't something he notices or takes immediate action on normally.
Pillz Member	Tue Jun 28 15:57:38 Feel like it's worth noting Utopia has had similar scandals w/ community tools and IRC servers with people sharing or being accused of sharing backend access or Intel or logs etc. It is just a part of the game! Albeit maybe a more difficult situation to counter when it's the games built in tool but hey!
murder Member	Tue Jun 28 16:49:00 There's no chance the TC visits this place more than occasionally. Even posts on the mod board can go quite a while before being seen these days. This is just a place he threw up so we'd have somewhere to hang out, and I guess it stays until it becomes too much more trouble than it's worth. Honestly I'm surprised that it didn't disappear years ago. This is a decades long headache that provides no revenue.
Pillz Member	Tue Jun 28 17:09:14 "Honestly I'm surprised that it didn't disappear years ago. This is a decades long headache that provides no revenue." People like you are why we can't have nice things
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 17:15:40 Thanks for the tragic backstory. There are always identifying characteristics in text with a large enough sample size. Part of me wants to fuck around and find how many really are TC (and other posters) multis. The other part of me prefers the mystery.
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 17:18:24 Also even easier here (as a global forum) to monitor activity patterns (e.g. reverse engineer time zones). Deep learning would see through you all pretty easily :P
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 17:21:15 >Even posts on the mod board can go quite a while before being seen these days. Easy enough to replicate that activity pattern. Everyone on the internet must be considered fake and in possession of multiple accounts until proven otherwise. But anyways, I'll find out who is who.
murder Member	Tue Jun 28 17:28:36 "Part of me wants to fuck around and find how many really are TC (and other posters) multis." Mine are easy. Murder Murder Inc XX2 That's it. And I'm pretty sure the last two were registered just to keep some other fool from swiping them.
Pillz Member	Tue Jun 28 17:45:09 Oh to be young and motivated and curious Activity trackers got banned from Utopia because we took it too far. Well one crazy woman took it too.
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 17:48:30 Young, motivated, and curious... The truth is I'm retired and needed to hone skills with a language I've been meaning to brush up on. I hate Python but it's useful in many contexts (mainly the scientific community is where it's actually useful, because of the SDKs & libraries)
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 17:50:49 Activity tracking isn't an issue when I have posts sorted by date. Very basic statistics to find the median timeframes, and then once there the associations will happen automatically. Part of the beauty of Deep Learning is not having to give it logic, it operates on data and finds the patterns itself.
Pillz Member	Tue Jun 28 17:51:22 "Young, motivated, and curious..." A joke obviously. Nobody is young anymore.
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 17:55:16 True story. We're all 30+ now.
Pillz Member	Tue Jun 28 18:04:32 "Activity tracking isn't an issue when I have posts sorted by date. Very basic statistics to find the median timeframes, and then once there the associations will happen automatically. Part of the beauty of Deep Learning is not having to give it logic, it operates on data and finds the patterns itself." Yes they were very popular like around 2016 in utopia. Originally the Munkbot scraped KD pages as users of the bot viewed them and it gave a good rough activity table for everyone with enough time as 80% of the server used the bot. Eventually the owners (Brian&Sean of Arcadia Gaming, originally contracted by Jolt) began to dump KD page info automatically for devs to use with target finders (which had generally been banned due to malicious scraping techniques w/ multies). At some point i think that activity was included, but by 2017 everybody but ~12 kds used Munkbot so it didn't matter much. While a lot of work went into manually tracking activity for wars & hostile, the practice was banned because of wide-spread conspiracies about wide-spread multi-ing by prominent players/the new owners. By the time the activity tracker info was removed from Munkbot there were at least 2 independent bots with deep learning that predicted logins during war and suggested ideal times for robbing/et/sw/ls/fg/etc to let resources stock & only target them before they were used. The bots still exist and I have no reason to believe they're not being fed by scripted provs to continue. Haven't had the opportunity to play with one yet but from what I heard one can predict opponent strategies, although how accurately idk
Pillz Member	Tue Jun 28 18:09:34 "the practice was banned because of wide-spread conspiracies about wide-spread multi-ing by prominent players/the new owners." The person responsible for these theories has since left, having burnt all their friendships through bipolar paranoia, and ended up suing 40+ state and municiple employees because they happened to be doing their jobs. So we all look back on the activity tracker ban as inconvenient but probably for the best.
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 18:32:25 Yes, it's extremely easy to do this today. You can use tensorflow, and, as long as the data is clean, find what you want with very rudimentary parameter tweaking. Non-AI code would be branching logic and hard to maintain. This stuff makes our job very easy as programmers to predict and track people online.
nhill Member	Tue Jun 28 18:39:18 Essentially you're trying to predict probability based on past behavior, so it takes a minimum amount of time and data collection to tune the accuracy. But it can be very accurate within a matter of few days, max a week worth of data collection, exact accuracy would depend on how consistent a user's circadian rhythm happens to be. And if you could associate with similar behavior patterns, it would be trivial to find definite multis (based on a threshold on the confidence interval, i.e. you can easily tune the sensitivity). This is all pretty trivial with a few days practice (if you have mastered the fundamental computer science prior).
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