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murder Member	Fri Jul 01 11:39:52 Wisconsin school board members dismissed book about Japanese American incarceration as being ‘unbalanced,’ parents say The members said including the book would require perspective from the U.S. government, the parents allege. Parents are pushing back after a committee whose members sit on a Wisconsin school board did not move forward with approving a book about Japanese American incarceration during World War II for a sophomore English literature class. Muskego-Norway School Board members said including the book would require “balance” with perspective from the U.S. government, according to two parents in the district. They also said that minutes of a heated meeting with board members about the topic were not posted and that a video of another board meeting was reportedly edited. Read the whole shitfest here if you want to ... http://www...american-incarcerati-rcna35948
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Jul 01 12:27:08 Fun backtracking where she said "American (white) perspective" but then tried to say she "really" meant all along was "American (gov't) perspective." The fact that this person was unaware that many of the interned were American citizens highlights the need for such things to be in the curriculum, so hopefully that person's own kids aren't as ignorant as she. But, in any case. The original dissent from 1944 is what prevails today, as evidenced by all of the "whoops our bad" stuff immediately after the war, and since then, from reparations to congressional apologies, to current Chief Justice Roberts rebuking Trump for trying to invoke it to support his similarly racist Muslim travel ban. By all means incorporate this into the curriculum, problem solved, everyone wins. From our own Supreme Court, 1944: " it is the case of convicting a citizen as a punishment for not submitting to imprisonment in a concentration camp, based on his ancestry, and solely because of his ancestry, without evidence or inquiry concerning his loyalty and good disposition towards the United States. If this be a correct statement of the facts disclosed by this record, and facts of which we take judicial notice, I need hardly labor the conclusion that Constitutional rights have been violated. ... As I have said above, the petitioner, prior to his arrest, was faced with two diametrically contradictory orders given sanction by the Act of Congress of March 21, 1942. The earlier of those orders made him a criminal if he left the zone in which he resided; the later made him a criminal if he did not leave. ... We cannot shut our eyes to the fact that, had the petitioner attempted to violate Proclamation No. 4 and leave the military area in which he lived, he would have been arrested and tried and convicted for violation of Proclamation No. 4. The two conflicting orders, one which commanded him to stay and the other which commanded him to go, were nothing but a cleverly devised trap to accomplish the real purpose of the military authority, which was to lock him up in a concentration camp. The only course by which the petitioner could avoid arrest and prosecution was to go to that camp according to instructions to be given him when he reported at a Civil Control Center. We know that is the fact. Why should we set up a figmentary and artificial situation, instead of addressing ourselves to the actualities of the case? " And then a good historian could go look at debates surrounding placing ethnic Germans and Italians in concentration camps, how those compared to placing ethnic Japanese in camps, and so on. Were any ethnic Italians given a pair of conflicting orders, mutually impossible to fulfill, and then convicted of breaking whichever of the pair they did not fulfill, by fulfilling the other? Here's the relevant Commanding General, justifying the 'necessity' before Congress, no reason this couldn't also be considered the American (gov't) perspective, if that's the balance she wants. " "I don't want any of them [persons of Japanese ancestry] here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty. The west coast contains too many vital installations essential to the defense of the country to allow any Japanese on this coast. . . . The danger of the Japanese was, and is now -- if they are permitted to come back -- espionage and sabotage. It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty. . . . But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map. Sabotage and espionage will make problems as long as he is allowed in this area. . . ." " I say give her what she wants, quote the Commanding General at least.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Jul 01 12:38:58 For almost any "was it intentional overt racism?" type question that comes from about the 1970s or before, you can just quote the contemporary proponents of the policy in question, prior to that point they weren't exactly hiding it. While re-reading one of the 19th century Jim Crow rulings not long ago, the opinion of the court at one point semi-randomly meanders into a tirade about how, regardless of what happens with black folks, there's one "race" that "we" choose not to in any way incorporate into our civic fold, not today and not ever, in any capacity, that "race" being the "Chinaman."
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