Utopia Talk / Politics / James Webb Space Telescope: 1st Images

murder Member	Mon Jul 11 18:10:27 About what you'd expect. http://twitter.com/ToxtethOGrady6/status/1546301354645327872
Rugian Member	Mon Jul 11 18:14:32 Amazing how you can actually SEE a black hole at the bottom left.
murder Member	Mon Jul 11 18:15:59 lol! Butt seriously, here is the first image. http://www...e_deep_field_smacs0723-5mb.jpg There rest of the "first images" will be revealed tomorrow for some reason.
murder Member	Mon Jul 11 18:49:15 Taking a good look at that image I've got to say that I'm not impressed. Webb may be far more capable than Hubble, but you can't tell that from looking at that image.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Jul 11 18:55:26 "Amazing how you can actually SEE a black hole at the bottom left." Win.
murder Member	Mon Jul 11 19:00:00 It seems that you can find anything on Hunter Biden's laptop.
Y2A Member	Mon Jul 11 19:02:13 damm it, now we know what murder jerk's off too.
murder Member	Mon Jul 11 19:04:12 Yes ... Hubble porn.
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 11 21:14:30 Pretty cool image.
Habebe Member	Mon Jul 11 21:32:07 We should send out way more of these. Anyone think we could ever get a quantum camera that could relay images as they look on location?
kargen Member	Mon Jul 11 22:07:44 I think I saw that 2nd image after taking a fastball to the jaw.
murder Member	Tue Jul 12 11:00:14 The rest of the "first images" are here. http://www.nasa.gov/webbfirstimages
williamthebastard Member	Wed Jul 13 00:25:51 Yeah, this is almost fake. This is like adding colors to black and white WWI shots, times 1000
Forwyn Member	Wed Jul 13 00:36:24 ^fights homeless people If only we could get past murder's Marxist divisionism™ and explore this shit
murder Member	Wed Jul 13 05:30:28 I'm only 240 lbs bro. Just go around.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Jul 13 13:19:57 This is apparently what the raw images look like before they start extrapolating various data and adding colors in photoshop http://pet...Aligns-its-Mirrors-800x420.jpg
williamthebastard Member	Wed Jul 13 13:23:06 probably lots of useful data for the researchers, but it feels like they had to produce pretty images to capture the publics attention
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jul 14 15:43:50 TL:DR To describe these pictures as some sort of photo shop fakes based on extrapolations is not even wrong. That last link is a picture is from earlier this year and was the alignment picture and is not the "raw" image of the new deep field image of the galaxies, which apparently covers the surface area of a grain of sand, held at an arms length. It is even called James-Webb-Telescope-Captures-its-First-Photo-as-it-Aligns-its-Mirrors The images the Webb telescope takes are false color (spoiler Hubble pictures and most pretty pictures from Mars are all like this), color is then added according to specific palettes, Hubble has it's own palette, and sometimes the color palette is added to produce dull human eye quality pictures. The meat of the matter here is that the picture has been captured at a very high resolution with infrared which allows it to see objects hidden behind or inside (new stars) gas clouds that visible light can not penetrate or objects really far away. The images are not only real, they are Real+, you just have white (aka visible) light bias. It is not for the public sake they make them colorful and sharper, it is most often for the scientific project itself. The astronomers themselves still use their visible spectrum limited eyes for a bunch of the astronomical observations, however without this photo tweaking nobody, not even scientist, would know what the structure of a super nova or gas cloud looks like. https://imgur.com/a/NWUB3 here is a comparison. The red picture is "true color", the bottom one is the false color one. The red light is from hydrogen and as you can it drowns out much of the structural details and depth of the nebula, the false color also happens to be visually more pleasing than a picture almost entirely in 1 color. In conclusion the Webb telescope produces really pretty images and useful data (which are as a matter of astronomy often the same thing as the image above illustrates), because it has a really high resolution. False color imaging and making things pop out with better contrast or in blue or red and all that jazz (or just simply conveying the dulled "true" color version of the Andromeda galaxy), is pretty standard in astronomy and serves it's own purposes not pop science magazine audiences'.
murder Member	Thu Jul 14 15:59:21 "here is a comparison. The red picture is "true color", the bottom one is the false color one. The red light is from hydrogen and as you can it drowns out much of the structural details and depth of the nebula, the false color also happens to be visually more pleasing than a picture almost entirely in 1 color." I like the red one much better.
Hrothgar Member	Fri Jul 15 19:22:38 This telescope is a perfect piece of the dichotomy of humanity. On the one hand we have this incredible miracle of a telescope able to peer into our universe like never before. The work of some of the brightest of humanity from across the world to get it to where it is. And then at the same time we have every rich nation dumping resources through the nose for killing either Russians or Ukrainians in Putin's war.
nhill Member	Fri Jul 15 19:24:56 >I like the red one much better. The point is the other one has more information in the image, not aesthetics.
nhill Member	Fri Jul 15 19:34:53 And thank you, Nim, for providing that explanation. Makes a lot of sense.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jul 16 08:01:49 Nhill I rekindled an interest for astronomy when the oldest boy told he wanted to go to Saturn :)
murder Member	Sat Jul 16 09:54:08 Did you squash his dreams with cold hard reality?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jul 16 10:48:43 I am firm believer in learning by doing. He will figure it out when he gets there.
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