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McJesus Burger Member	Mon Aug 01 11:08:45 http://www...oting-down-pelosi-plane-taiwan Chinese state media personality suggests shooting down Pelosi's plane in Taiwan House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may visit Taiwan during closely watched Asia trip The former chief editor of the Chinese Communist Party's state tabloid, the Global Times, suggested the country shoot down U.S. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi for visiting Taiwan if her plane refuses to divert course. China's government has warned it will take "forceful measures" if Pelosi visits Taiwan after the Financial Times reported she would travel to the Chinese-claimed island nation next month. Hu Xijin, former chief editor of the Global Times, called Pelosi's planned visit an "invasion," and suggested shooting down the speaker's plane if U.S. fighter jets escort it to Taiwan. "If US fighter jets escort Pelosi’s plane into Taiwan, it is invasion," Xijin wrote. "The PLA has the right to forcibly dispel Pelosi’s plane and the US fighter jets, including firing warning shots and making tactical movement of obstruction. If ineffective, then shoot them down." A U.S. government official said, "This is unnecessary rhetoric, and the U.S. policy toward Taiwan remains unchanged." Lt. Col. Martin Meiners, a Pentagon spokesman said, "It wouldn't be appropriate to comment on any congressional travel possibilities." Taiwan, officially known as the Republic of China, is an island nation off the coast of Asia's mainland. Taiwan has declared itself independent of the People's Republic of China and has claimed continuation of governance from pre-revolutionary China. The People's Republic of China has long claimed sovereignty over Taiwan and the Taiwan Strait, the relatively narrow strip of ocean between the island of Taiwan and the Chinese mainland. The Chinese military has frequently sent planes into the area, testing Taiwan's air defense zone. The U.S. doesn't have official relations with Taiwan but has been stepping up engagement with the island as China seeks to isolate it from global institutions. Pelosi and her delegation will also visit Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore and spend time in Hawaii at the headquarters of U.S. Indo-Pacific command, the Financial Times added, citing people familiar with the matter. BIDEN-XI CALL LASTS MORE THAN 2 HOURS; BEIJING WARNED THE US NOT TO ‘PLAY WITH FIRE’ ON TAIWAN Hu, who retired from the Global Times last year, has continued to write and speak for the CCP online and at national events. The former editor rose to prominence with aggressive, mocking and intentionally provocative comments on social media. However, a series of scandals and serious accusations has damaged his reputation domestically and abroad.
Paramount Member	Mon Aug 01 15:09:31 China's Eastern Theater Command: We stand ready to bury any invading enemies. http://twi...?s=21&t=97VZycuCm-8j7O758yPQkw
murder Member	Mon Aug 01 16:54:19 Lets hope so. That's a win win win scenario ... except for what happens to China next. But that's something I'm prepared to deal with.
nhill Member	Mon Aug 01 16:55:02 We're sure you'd press the button yourself.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Aug 01 16:59:12 "...except for what happens to China next." nothing will happen to china.
Rugian Member	Mon Aug 01 17:07:46 As much as I despise Pelosi, that would be an actual act of war if those commie fucks killed her.
murder Member	Mon Aug 01 18:17:20 "We're sure you'd press the button yourself." You're going to have to be more specific. Which button?
nhill Member	Mon Aug 01 18:19:17 All of them. Murder Pelosi, nuke China, whatever!
murder Member	Mon Aug 01 18:47:10 There's no need to nuke China. In fact it would be counterproductive. It would take a shit ton of nukes to dent their population, and that would fuck us to some extent even ignoring the return volley. I prefer to just wreck their ports and declare all their air and naval vessels active targets. Cutting China off like that would cause a lot of damage and would reestablish that we're the big dogs. As far as Pelosi goes I may want to check who else is on the plane first. But then again maybe not.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Aug 01 21:12:35 "As much as I despise Pelosi, that would be an actual act of war if those commie fucks killed her." Indeed. Pelosi has some stones if she actually lands in taipei. Ill give her credit of she does that.
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 00:52:59 To be honest, Ive never liked Pelosi as much as I do now, assuming she goes through with it. The one worrisome bit is China is legit on the brink of economic collapse at the moment, higher likely hood they could say fuck it. However, I think they realize they would quickly be treated like Russia globally and they it would cripple China in a way Russia has not been crippled. Russia has long had a relatively clossed off backwater economy. China has an economy based on selling trinkets to the world. China is surrounded by neighbors who despise China and have been ramping up military and anti Chinese sentiment. They will likley have a worse lost decade than Japan, but this would send them back to a 3rd rate regional power. Russias ace in the hole was that they didnt have much to lose anyway.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 02 02:26:43 Tucker is ready to blame Pelosi if China goes after Taiwan (and already have “Pelosi Apocalypse” graphic): http://twi...tatus/1554259296552116225?s=21 he’s also saying our military is weak and totally unprepared for war with China to help urge them on
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 03:34:13 Well, we are weakened because of the Ukraine. But, fuck it. Im this particular case I would side with Pelosi over Tucker all day everyday, No problem.
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 03:43:53 As much as I hate war, I hate them commie fucks more. #FreeHelicopterRides #PinochetIsMyHero
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 03:52:18 I've said for years how can we unite as a country? To find an outside enemy. Ots that simple, nothing unites people quite as well as a shared enemy.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Aug 02 04:37:40 "Well, we are weakened because of the Ukraine. " http://www...remlin-papers-said-about-trump The person to ‘weaken’ America: what the Kremlin papers said about Trump http://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/14/trump-biden-foreign-policy-alliances/ "Four years of neglect, unilateralism, and failed diplomacy have left America’s alliances in tatters. Indeed, among all of Trump’s foreign-policy legacies, none may be more consequential than the damage he has done to America’s standing, influence, and power in the world by weakening the system of partnerships and alliances the country has created and relied on for decades. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/donald-trump-foreign-policy-america-first/616872/ "HOW ‘AMERICA FIRST’ BECAME AMERICA ALONE In his desperation to restore and showcase American strength, Donald Trump has made the country weaker." "
patom Member	Tue Aug 02 05:21:24 Last I checked Pelosi is a US citizen and we have had thousands of citizens visit Taiwan and China. They spend money and make business contracts all over Asia. The Trumps have their MAGA hats and his red ties made there in mainland China. It's all about the money.
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 05:23:44 You have no coherent argument. Orange man bad isn't an argument. Biden+Congress getting us into another forever war at a cost outpacing Afghanistan and depleting us of military equipment faster than we can produce it is weakening the US.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Aug 02 05:44:41 "You have no coherent argument." Dude you've been given 3, none of them were "orange man bad" You got no argument dude, other than Trump sucked Putins cock so you are permanently pro-russia. "Old man bad" is literally your argument dude "We shouldn't interfere with the soviet unions invasion of afghanistan" - Habebe 24 Dec 1979
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 06:52:52 So, your the only person that thinks we are doing better in FP now than unser Trump. Oh, did he upset the Germans? They should have listened. Mind you, Biden gave the OK on Russias pipeline that Trump shutdown. Facts matter.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Aug 02 09:11:55 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper · 21m BREAKING: US Speaker Pelosi plane SPAR19 confirms its destination to Taipei airport, Taiwan http://twi...80674?cxt=HHwWhIDR0brHyJIrAAAA
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Aug 02 09:24:30 "Oh, did he upset the Germans? They should have listened." http://www...mp-pull-out-of-nato-nyt-mattis Trump has reportedly discussed withdrawing from NATO. That would be great for Russia. Trump brought up pulling out of NATO several times in 2018. President Donald Trump has reportedly suggested on multiple occasions that the United States withdraw from NATO — a maneuver that would roil the global community and signal a major victory for Russia.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue Aug 02 09:25:19 SPAR19 now descending from 35,000 feet cruising altitude. http://twi...15554?cxt=HHwWhICysaK_zJIrAAAA
murder Member	Tue Aug 02 09:44:36 The sheagle has landed.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Aug 02 10:04:50 And just like that, pelosi might have herself the most popular politician in the US.
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 13:07:15 Jmb, You know what actually has been great for Russia, the world not listening to Trump 4 yrs ago.
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 13:07:49 Jmb, Is Russia better off now competitively to the US or 4 yrs ago?
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Aug 02 13:21:25 Dude if trump was in charge ukraine would have fallen. You cried America armed ukraine to push Russia out of kiev cause this is the Trump position. 60,000 dead russian soldiers isn't in Russias interest, instead they wanted what you wanted - no help for ukraine and taking the capital
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Aug 02 13:23:17 Also dude wanna explain why Trump pulling America out of NATO is bad for Russia? thats what they have wanted for decades dude
Sam Adams Member	Tue Aug 02 13:30:12 Winnie the poo is butthurt
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Aug 02 13:59:06 Wow. Even fox news' top story is about Pelosi. When will we find out how many F-22s were secretly escorting her in?
obaminated Member	Tue Aug 02 13:59:26 Pelosi isn't the most popular politician in America. When China said she couldn't go to Taiwan they forced her hand and she had to go or else america would lose face entirely. China, like Russia, may not be as clever or capable as we assume they are. China was never going to shoot down the majority leader of the house so why even make it an issue?
Sam Adams Member	Tue Aug 02 14:25:05 China goes fucking nuts whenever taiwan is mentioned. Its like a bull with a red flag. Insects to a light. They cannot resist.
murder Member	Tue Aug 02 14:46:17 You know what this means right? TheChildren can't show his face around here at least until this news cycle blows over.
nhill Member	Tue Aug 02 15:15:05 Pelosi Mommy Milkers has landed. Beast mode.
nhill Member	Tue Aug 02 15:15:45 http://pbs...AESgJv?format=jpg&name=900x900 ^she has bigger guns than China
nhill Member	Tue Aug 02 15:16:41 >The sheagle has landed. Stop assuming the plane's pronouns. Rude.
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 15:16:54 "China goes fucking nuts whenever taiwan is mentioned. Its like a bull with a red flag. Insects to a light." TC at the prospect of a fancy tuna sandwich, bubble tea and an evening of watching other people play video games.
nhill Member	Tue Aug 02 16:14:39 lol. someone needs to make a meme of a chinese head on a fly going into a bug zapper. or maybe just to a warm fresh ciabatta roll out of the oven (you should see the steam)
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 02 16:22:37 If only Sir Guy Reffitt hadn’t failed.
kargen Member	Tue Aug 02 16:45:01 This would have been a non issue if the white house had simply followed protocol and not announced the trip that far in advance. Biden's team created the mess and made it worse by saying hey maybe she shouldn't go. I'm thinking the Biden team knew there were going to have a good week and wanted Pelosi to stay home so she doesn't take all the press.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Aug 02 17:06:02 What "mess"? If we stop being biden lovers/haters or dems/reps for a moment and consider this from the American perspective, this was overall a win. China huffed and puffed and backed down, non-NATO allies reassured of American support, Rugian and Sam (SA is a good litmus test for "above average intelligence + tends to vote Republican" in a lot of ways) rallied around the flag a bit in this very thread, even france24.com is running this as *their* top story and, critically, it didn't make America look like an incompetent ass, a bad actor, a breaker of promises, or any of that. Obviously this wasn't Biden's idea, he's no cunning maverick (lolol), so award a gold star to his or Pelosi's intern, whomever first suggested telegraphing it ahead of time.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Aug 02 17:08:29 That was quick. CNN and Fox have both replaced this as their top story. Fox is on about abortions, CNN about Jan 6, MSNBC is trying to stuff the supreme court.
murder Member	Tue Aug 02 17:16:50 "TC at the prospect of a fancy tuna sandwich" I bet Xi would love to trade his shit sandwich for a fancy tuna sandwich.
kargen Member	Tue Aug 02 17:33:15 What mess? THe huffing and puffing. Of course we know nothing will come of it. Still doesn't help to let the Chines officials go on about it for days. I didn't say it was President Biden's idea. I said the Biden team. He is there to read the teleprompter after those behind the curtain decide what to do.
jergul large member	Tue Aug 02 18:09:56 Barack Latest internet scrub (yesterday) brought the total Russian deaths to 5200. Some underreporting, sure. Not every Dagestani orphan in uniform will get an obituary or a writeup by friends or professional organizations. There is also some time delay (it takes about 3 weeks on average) and the dead total does not included Donbas residents. But yah...60k is not very credible. Not even as a total casualty count (dead and wounded for all parties fighting Ukraine).
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 20:28:34 Jmb, When did Trump pull the US out of NATO? Because we never left.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Tue Aug 02 20:35:09 Yeah good thing Trump lost so he couldn't do Russias bidding http://www...mp-pull-out-of-nato-nyt-mattis Trump has reportedly discussed withdrawing from NATO. That would be great for Russia. Trump brought up pulling out of NATO several times in 2018. President Donald Trump has reportedly suggested on multiple occasions that the United States withdraw from NATO — a maneuver that would roil the global community and signal a major victory for Russia.
Habebe Member	Tue Aug 02 21:09:58 "Trump has reportedly discussed withdrawing from NATO" In the midst of getting cointries to increase spending. And they did increase spending. You also seem to give Russia too much credit. It's a fucking backwater. Do you still support forced vaesectomies on all US males? Far crazier of an idea.
Paramount Member	Wed Aug 03 07:29:35 What Taiwanese thinks: ”Fuck off! You ugly Americans! We don’t need America to treat us as a pawn.” http://twi...?s=21&t=LhZI7x4GY2A1x0DQhBxo9Q
obaminated Member	Wed Aug 03 11:21:44 Yeah trump was negotiating with the nato nations to increase their defense spending because they weren't spending the 2% of their gdp like they agreed to do while America was. After that statement Nato nations increased their defense spending. That is what is called a good negotiation.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Wed Aug 03 11:49:31 Trump wanted to disband nato cause "Why do we need it anyway?" "A statement by US President-elect Donald Trump that Nato is "obsolete" has caused "worry" in the alliance" Biden brought in 2 new countries
TheChildren Member	Wed Aug 03 14:31:08 oh hello! http://www...hest-medal-china-preps-largest u little dumb fucks haha. whose huffin and puffin now. lol da reagan turned back 2 tokyo and triploli is now at okinawa... turned faster than afghanistan withdrawal!!
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 03 15:40:13 Jmb, Obviously Trump was on to something, considering our current relationship with Russia.
kargen Member	Wed Aug 03 16:03:12 Pelosi left Taiwan so no need to keep those ships in the area. China is going to bomb the ocean for a few days to show how tough they are then they will go back to killing Americans with new super viruses and Fentynol.
nhill Member	Wed Aug 03 16:27:41 >China is going to bomb the ocean for a few days to show how tough they are Winnie the Pooh throwing another temper tantrum
nhill Member	Wed Aug 03 16:41:00 hard to take these chinamen seriously sometimes. maybe pooh and kim jong un can take a bunch of firecrackers to a remote island and get it outta there systems
murder Member	Wed Aug 03 16:49:31 "oh hello!" If you were Japanese seppuku would have been your only alternative after Pelosi humiliated your country like that. But the Chinese have no honor to restore.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Aug 03 21:50:24 If you were Japanese But the Chinese have no honor to restore. Lol i think you might have actually made tc cry with that one.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sat Aug 06 13:39:58 Yo habebe your master was against the visit what now? http://new...ng-taiwan-she-was-chinas-dream TRUMP: “What was she doing in Taiwan? She was China's dream. She gave them an excuse. They've been looking for that excuse, she gave it."
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sun Aug 07 06:42:18 Habebe I know its painful dude but we need to see the mental gymnastics you need to go through to justify the contradictions
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Mon Aug 08 21:47:55 Yo Habebe why you hiding?
kargen Member	Mon Aug 08 23:24:47 What if China did try to shoot down Pelosi and they are just that fucking incompetent?
murder Member	Mon Aug 08 23:47:21 That's probably what happened. And they've probably been trying to invade Taiwan for decades, but they can't get their forces to the right place.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Wed Aug 10 12:48:54 Habebe you still hiding dude TRUMP: “What was she doing in Taiwan? She was China's dream. She gave them an excuse. They've been looking for that excuse, she gave it."
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