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Habebe
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This 80 yr old woman kicked out of the YMCA because she didn't want a man in the changing/showering room.

It gets worse if her story is accurate.

Woman, 80, Banned From the City Pool for Refusing to Shower or Change in Front of a Man
Forced teaming in Port Townsend, WA

Matt Osborne
Aug 3
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Woman, 80, Banned From the City Pool for Refusing to Shower or Change in Front of a Man
Forced teaming in Port Townsend, WA

Matt Osborne
Aug 3
131

She was startled by the voice of a man while she was in the shower.

Rinsing off after her usual laps at the Port Townsend, Washington community pool, Julie Jaman, a pillar of her community and mother of two adult daughters, heard a man talking.

Poking her head out of the plastic sheet between herself and the man, she saw him wearing a women’s swimsuit, supervising little girls as they stripped off their own swimsuits to pee.

“Do you have a penis?” She asked him.

Naive, unassuming, unversed in the new religion of Genderism, unaware that wokeness has quietly abolished all privacyrights for women and girls in Washington, Julie had unwittingly invoked the righteous wrath of a new American priest class. “None of your business,” the man replied. His name, she would later learn, is Clementine.

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Woman, 80, Banned From the City Pool for Refusing to Shower or Change in Front of a Man
Forced teaming in Port Townsend, WA

Matt Osborne
Aug 3
131
She was startled by the voice of a man while she was in the shower.

Rinsing off after her usual laps at the Port Townsend, Washington community pool, Julie Jaman, a pillar of her community and mother of two adult daughters, heard a man talking.

Poking her head out of the plastic sheet between herself and the man, she saw him wearing a women’s swimsuit, supervising little girls as they stripped off their own swimsuits to pee.

“Do you have a penis?” She asked him.

Naive, unassuming, unversed in the new religion of Genderism, unaware that wokeness has quietly abolished all privacy rights for women and girls in Washington, Julie had unwittingly invoked the righteous wrath of a new American priest class. “None of your business,” the man replied. His name, she would later learn, is Clementine.

“You need to leave,” she said, thinking of herself as well as the girls.

Rowen DeLuna, a young female staffer, was nearby. Instead of defusing the situation, however, she immediately escalated it, accusing Julie of disrespecting YMCA values.

Moments later in the lobby, Julie was informed that that police were on the way to arrest her, presumably for proper reeducation in the new politics of “gender identity.”

She left instead, stopping at the town’s tiny police station next door to check in. It was only when she talked to the regional YMCA director on the phone later that


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Woman, 80, Banned From the City Pool for Refusing to Shower or Change in Front of a Man
Forced teaming in Port Townsend, WA

Matt Osborne
Aug 3
131
She was startled by the voice of a man while she was in the shower.

Rinsing off after her usual laps at the Port Townsend, Washington community pool, Julie Jaman, a pillar of her community and mother of two adult daughters, heard a man talking.

Poking her head out of the plastic sheet between herself and the man, she saw him wearing a women’s swimsuit, supervising little girls as they stripped off their own swimsuits to pee.

“Do you have a penis?” She asked him.

Naive, unassuming, unversed in the new religion of Genderism, unaware that wokeness has quietly abolished all privacy rights for women and girls in Washington, Julie had unwittingly invoked the righteous wrath of a new American priest class. “None of your business,” the man replied. His name, she would later learn, is Clementine.

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“You need to leave,” she said, thinking of herself as well as the girls.

Rowen DeLuna, a young female staffer, was nearby. Instead of defusing the situation, however, she immediately escalated it, accusing Julie of disrespecting YMCA values.

Moments later in the lobby, Julie was informed that that police were on the way to arrest her, presumably for proper reeducation in the new politics of “gender identity.”

She left instead, stopping at the town’s tiny police station next door to check in. It was only when she talked to the regional YMCA director on the phone later that day that Julie learned the staff had put words in her mouth: “You are going to use your penis to fuck those little girls.”

“I am an 80 year-old woman and I do not talk like that,” Julie responded. In retrospect, she says “there was something amiss in the integrity of the staff.” No charges have been filed against her.

A story in the Port Townsend Free Press reports that Julie observed the man “touching” the girls. Julie says she did not make thisallegation to police as reported.

Nevertheless, CEO Wendy Bart found the charge of blasphemy credible and permanently banned Julie from the pool.

Apparently, YMCA values now require staff to help men access women and girls in vulnerable states of undress and have elderly women arrested for resisting.

The change took place without notice. As Bart now informed Julie, however, signage about “pride” and “inclusion” was fair warning she should not ask a man to remove himself from the shower area while she got dressed. Tut tut!


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Woman, 80, Banned From the City Pool for Refusing to Shower or Change in Front of a Man
Forced teaming in Port Townsend, WA

Matt Osborne
Aug 3
131
She was startled by the voice of a man while she was in the shower.

Rinsing off after her usual laps at the Port Townsend, Washington community pool, Julie Jaman, a pillar of her community and mother of two adult daughters, heard a man talking.

Poking her head out of the plastic sheet between herself and the man, she saw him wearing a women’s swimsuit, supervising little girls as they stripped off their own swimsuits to pee.

“Do you have a penis?” She asked him.

Naive, unassuming, unversed in the new religion of Genderism, unaware that wokeness has quietly abolished all privacy rights for women and girls in Washington, Julie had unwittingly invoked the righteous wrath of a new American priest class. “None of your business,” the man replied. His name, she would later learn, is Clementine.

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“You need to leave,” she said, thinking of herself as well as the girls.

Rowen DeLuna, a young female staffer, was nearby. Instead of defusing the situation, however, she immediately escalated it, accusing Julie of disrespecting YMCA values.

Moments later in the lobby, Julie was informed that that police were on the way to arrest her, presumably for proper reeducation in the new politics of “gender identity.”

She left instead, stopping at the town’s tiny police station next door to check in. It was only when she talked to the regional YMCA director on the phone later that day that Julie learned the staff had put words in her mouth: “You are going to use your penis to fuck those little girls.”

“I am an 80 year-old woman and I do not talk like that,” Julie responded. In retrospect, she says “there was something amiss in the integrity of the staff.” No charges have been filed against her.

A story in the Port Townsend Free Press reports that Julie observed the man “touching” the girls. Julie says she did not make this allegation to police as reported.

Nevertheless, CEO Wendy Bart found the charge of blasphemy credible and permanently banned Julie from the pool.

Apparently, YMCA values now require staff to help men access women and girls in vulnerable states of undress and have elderly women arrested for resisting.

The change took place without notice. As Bart now informed Julie, however, signage about “pride” and “inclusion” was fair warning she should not ask a man to remove himself from the shower area while she got dressed. Tut tut!

Julie had heard about controversies involving “gender identity” before this all happened last Tuesday, but paid them no mind. Now she is laser-focused on the administrative abolition of normal safeguarding practices at her local YMCA.

After 35 years as a member, yesterday she picketed the pool alongside a few supportive friends. “This is what I’m doing instead of swimming,” she says.

Her petition makes a reasonable, moderate demand that was of course immediately deemed transphobic hate speech.

We, the undersigned, object to men (identifying as women) being allowed to use the traditional women’s shower/dressing room area at Mountain View Pool. The YMCA is discriminating against women and girls who need privacy and safety essential for dignity and well being in the womens changing/showering area. The Y needs to provide a third dressing area designated as gender free.


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Woman, 80, Banned From the City Pool for Refusing to Shower or Change in Front of a Man
Forced teaming in Port Townsend, WA

Matt Osborne
Aug 3
131
She was startled by the voice of a man while she was in the shower.

Rinsing off after her usual laps at the Port Townsend, Washington community pool, Julie Jaman, a pillar of her community and mother of two adult daughters, heard a man talking.

Poking her head out of the plastic sheet between herself and the man, she saw him wearing a women’s swimsuit, supervising little girls as they stripped off their own swimsuits to pee.

“Do you have a penis?” She asked him.

Naive, unassuming, unversed in the new religion of Genderism, unaware that wokeness has quietly abolished all privacy rights for women and girls in Washington, Julie had unwittingly invoked the righteous wrath of a new American priest class. “None of your business,” the man replied. His name, she would later learn, is Clementine.

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“You need to leave,” she said, thinking of herself as well as the girls.

Rowen DeLuna, a young female staffer, was nearby. Instead of defusing the situation, however, she immediately escalated it, accusing Julie of disrespecting YMCA values.

Moments later in the lobby, Julie was informed that that police were on the way to arrest her, presumably for proper reeducation in the new politics of “gender identity.”

She left instead, stopping at the town’s tiny police station next door to check in. It was only when she talked to the regional YMCA director on the phone later that day that Julie learned the staff had put words in her mouth: “You are going to use your penis to fuck those little girls.”

“I am an 80 year-old woman and I do not talk like that,” Julie responded. In retrospect, she says “there was something amiss in the integrity of the staff.” No charges have been filed against her.

A story in the Port Townsend Free Press reports that Julie observed the man “touching” the girls. Julie says she did not make this allegation to police as reported.

Nevertheless, CEO Wendy Bart found the charge of blasphemy credible and permanently banned Julie from the pool.

Apparently, YMCA values now require staff to help men access women and girls in vulnerable states of undress and have elderly women arrested for resisting.

The change took place without notice. As Bart now informed Julie, however, signage about “pride” and “inclusion” was fair warning she should not ask a man to remove himself from the shower area while she got dressed. Tut tut!

Julie had heard about controversies involving “gender identity” before this all happened last Tuesday, but paid them no mind. Now she is laser-focused on the administrative abolition of normal safeguarding practices at her local YMCA.

After 35 years as a member, yesterday she picketed the pool alongside a few supportive friends. “This is what I’m doing instead of swimming,” she says.

Her petition makes a reasonable, moderate demand that was of course immediately deemed transphobic hate speech.

We, the undersigned, object to men (identifying as women) being allowed to use the traditional women’s shower/dressing room area at Mountain View Pool. The YMCA is discriminating against women and girls who need privacy and safety essential for dignity and well being in the womens changing/showering area. The Y needs to provide a third dressing area designated as gender free.

Speaking at the city council meeting later that day, a friend of Julie objected to the word “discrimination” being used against women protecting themselves in a world full of male violence.

In a development that will surprise no one familiar with the TERF wars, Allison described the opposition outside the YMCA that day as “full of rancor and personal accusations and insults.”

We are accused of hating trans people, of being ‘Christians’ at the Young Men’s Christian Association, and when we laughed, that we must be cultists and then that we must be pedophiles. But what about our needs as women? Do men transitioning to be women understand that discrimination and violence are part of being a woman, and that we need protection from predators?

“In an effort by the City and the YMCA to apply the neo-cultural gender rules at the Mt. View Pool dressing/shower room facilities, women and children are beingput at risk,” Julie told the city council Monday evening.

The staff seems to have received little training on how to handle reactions to such radical cultural changes, particularly for the most vulnerable - older female patrons and children who may be exposed to inappropriate behavior; the dignity and safety of unsuspecting women, who have trusted to use these facilities for many years. This is not right.

Julie’s three minute statement is embedded above. Several speakers followed with varying opinions
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Woman, 80, Banned From the City Pool for Refusing to Shower or Change in Front of a Man
Forced teaming in Port Townsend, WA

Matt Osborne
Aug 3
131
She was startled by the voice of a man while she was in the shower.

Rinsing off after her usual laps at the Port Townsend, Washington community pool, Julie Jaman, a pillar of her community and mother of two adult daughters, heard a man talking.

Poking her head out of the plastic sheet between herself and the man, she saw him wearing a women’s swimsuit, supervising little girls as they stripped off their own swimsuits to pee.

“Do you have a penis?” She asked him.

Naive, unassuming, unversed in the new religion of Genderism, unaware that wokeness has quietly abolished all privacy rights for women and girls in Washington, Julie had unwittingly invoked the righteous wrath of a new American priest class. “None of your business,” the man replied. His name, she would later learn, is Clementine.

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“You need to leave,” she said, thinking of herself as well as the girls.

Rowen DeLuna, a young female staffer, was nearby. Instead of defusing the situation, however, she immediately escalated it, accusing Julie of disrespecting YMCA values.

Moments later in the lobby, Julie was informed that that police were on the way to arrest her, presumably for proper reeducation in the new politics of “gender identity.”

She left instead, stopping at the town’s tiny police station next door to check in. It was only when she talked to the regional YMCA director on the phone later that day that Julie learned the staff had put words in her mouth: “You are going to use your penis to fuck those little girls.”

“I am an 80 year-old woman and I do not talk like that,” Julie responded. In retrospect, she says “there was something amiss in the integrity of the staff.” No charges have been filed against her.

A story in the Port Townsend Free Press reports that Julie observed the man “touching” the girls. Julie says she did not make this allegation to police as reported.

Nevertheless, CEO Wendy Bart found the charge of blasphemy credible and permanently banned Julie from the pool.

Apparently, YMCA values now require staff to help men access women and girls in vulnerable states of undress and have elderly women arrested for resisting.

The change took place without notice. As Bart now informed Julie, however, signage about “pride” and “inclusion” was fair warning she should not ask a man to remove himself from the shower area while she got dressed. Tut tut!

Julie had heard about controversies involving “gender identity” before this all happened last Tuesday, but paid them no mind. Now she is laser-focused on the administrative abolition of normal safeguarding practices at her local YMCA.

After 35 years as a member, yesterday she picketed the pool alongside a few supportive friends. “This is what I’m doing instead of swimming,” she says.

Her petition makes a reasonable, moderate demand that was of course immediately deemed transphobic hate speech.

We, the undersigned, object to men (identifying as women) being allowed to use the traditional women’s shower/dressing room area at Mountain View Pool. The YMCA is discriminating against women and girls who need privacy and safety essential for dignity and well being in the womens changing/showering area. The Y needs to provide a third dressing area designated as gender free.

Speaking at the city council meeting later that day, a friend of Julie objected to the word “discrimination” being used against women protecting themselves in a world full of male violence.

In a development that will surprise no one familiar with the TERF wars, Allison described the opposition outside the YMCA that day as “full of rancor and personal accusations and insults.”

We are accused of hating trans people, of being ‘Christians’ at the Young Men’s Christian Association, and when we laughed, that we must be cultists and then that we must be pedophiles. But what about our needs as women? Do men transitioning to be women understand that discrimination and violence are part of being a woman, and that we need protection from predators?

“In an effort by the City and the YMCA to apply the neo-cultural gender rules at the Mt. View Pool dressing/shower room facilities, women and children are being put at risk,” Julie told the city council Monday evening.

The staff seems to have received little training on how to handle reactions to such radical cultural changes, particularly for the most vulnerable - older female patrons and children who may be exposed to inappropriate behavior; the dignity and safety of unsuspecting women, who have trusted to use these facilities for many years. This is not right.

Julie’s three minute statement is embedded above. Several speakers followed with varying opinions. (You can watch the entire meeting here.) Anyone who has kept their eye on this issue space will know what happened next, as if by clockwork.

By the time Julie spoke at city hall, someone had driven three hours round trip from Sequim to complain that Julie was being hateful when she, you know, recognized reality.

[Clementine] is not a man identifying as a woman, this individual is a woman. I think that we need to have respect and inclusivity and we need to respect this person. It is inappropriate for this day and age in 2022 not to recognizeOf course, if this was an actual debate instead of a city council comment session, someone might ask this person for a non-circular definition of “trans.” None would be forthcoming. That might be an educational moment for people.

What is the difference between a man watching little girls get naked to pee and a man named Clementine watching little girls get naked to pee? Can anyone name a single material difference? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

There is more, and a video on the link.
Habebe
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Sat Aug 06 10:38:32
Oh WTF! Im don't copying and pasting.
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