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Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 08 18:19:52
http://www...mp-says-home-siege-agents.html

Uh, so about criminalizing your political opponents....this is out of hand.
Rugian
Member
Mon Aug 08 18:27:52
Definitely sets a precedent. I 1,000% expect to see the next GOP president do this same shit to Biden's estate.
murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 18:33:04

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! :oD

murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 18:40:58

"Definitely sets a precedent. I 1,000% expect to see the next GOP president do this same shit to Biden's estate."

Footage of the FBI taking Biden into custody.

http://ima.../Facebook-Egypt-coffin-640.jpg

Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 08 18:46:35
Do they even realize they just martyred Trump 3 months before a midterm election?
murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 18:54:04

It doesn't matter. You don't get to break the law.

kargen
Member
Mon Aug 08 19:01:27
The Democrats are doing everything they can to prevent President Trump from running and he is the only Republican they stand even a remote chance of defeating in 2024.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 08 19:06:07
criminalizing a criminal

seems to be about his box(es) of classified docs he took home

(he was comically unfit, even though a segment of pop can't notice any of it)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 08 19:07:29
"and he is the only Republican they stand even a remote chance of defeating in 2024"

so maybe it's not about politics...

just like with Liz Cheney, who OBVIOUSLY is not benefiting politically by noticing reality & acting appropriately
kargen
Member
Mon Aug 08 19:19:00
no it's about politics. Well not strictly politics. Like you they suffer from Trump Derangement Disorder and can't help themselves. They are as addicted to attacking Trump as any heroin addict has ever been hooked on heroin. The withdrawal if they (and you) couldn't attack Trump would be damn near fatal.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 08 19:23:34
so he seems like a totally normal law-abiding citizen to you?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 08 19:26:59
I went to his website to check for his statement and got a pop up alerting me I am Patriot of the Month and get (meaningless) 5x impact! when I donate right now...

suck it everyone else who’ll have to wait til next month to try to win that prestigious honor
Rugian
Member
Mon Aug 08 19:32:50
“Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

These are dark times for our Nation, as my beautiful home, Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents. Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before. After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate. It is prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the Justice System, and an attack by Radical Left Democrats who desperately don't want me to run for President in 2024, especially based on recent polls, and who will likewise do anything to stop Republicans and Conservatives in the upcoming Midterm Elections. Such an assault could only take place in broken, Third-World Countries. Sadly, America has now become one of those Countries, corrupt at a level not seen before. They even broke into my safe! What is the difference between this and Watergate, where operatives broke into the Democrat National Committee? Here, in reverse, Democrats broke into the home of the 45th President of the United States.

The political persecution of President Donald J. Trump has been going on for years, with the now fully debunked Russia, Russia, Russia Scam, Impeachment Hoax #1, Impeachment Hoax #2, and so much more, it just never ends. It is political targeting at the highest level!

Hillary Clinton was allowed to delete and acid wash 33,000 E-mails AFTER they were subpoenaed by Congress. Absolutely nothing has happened to hold her accountable. She even took antique furniture, and other items from the White House. I stood up to America's bureaucratic corruption, I restored power to the people, and truly delivered for our Country, like we have never seen before. The establishment hated it. Now, as they watch my endorsed candidates win big victories, and see my dominance in all polls, they are trying to stop me, and the Republican Party, once more. The lawlessness, political persecution, and Witch Hunt must be exposed and stopped.

I will continue to fight for the Great American People!”
murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 19:35:02

"I went to his website to check for his statement and got a pop up alerting me I am Patriot of the Month"

Congratulations! :o)

kargen
Member
Mon Aug 08 19:46:13
"so he seems like a totally normal law-abiding citizen to you?"

What does that have to do with my statement? He might be guilty on this one and if he is he should face the consequences. You and your ilk have been throwing accusations his way for close to seven years now just hoping eventually one will stick.
Y2A
Member
Mon Aug 08 19:50:51
have doubts anything will come of this. the clown is a rich white guy, they never face any consequences for anything.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Mon Aug 08 20:32:03
"Uh, so about criminalizing your political opponents....this is out of hand."

Ok dude, can you explain why Trump is allowed to leave the whitehouse with classified documents and stash them at Mara-lago?
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Mon Aug 08 20:33:54
"Hillary Clinton was allowed to delete and acid wash 33,000 E-mails AFTER they were subpoenaed by Congress"

http://www...troyed-documents-b2009030.html

Trump filled ‘burn bags’ with shredded White House records in violation of federal law, report says
Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 08 20:49:24
"Ok dude, can you explain why Trump is allowed to leave the whitehouse with classified documents and stash them at Mara-lago?"

Who deems them classified? Who classified them?

And who has the authority to reclassify them at will?
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Mon Aug 08 20:57:42
Dude stop being a Trumpanzee

http://en....ures_of_classified_information

On May 10, 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump disclosed classified information to Russian government representatives, creating political and security concerns in the United States and its allies, especially Israel. Soon after the meeting, American intelligence extracted a high-level covert source from within the Russian government, on concerns the individual could be at risk due, in part, to Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandling classified intelligence

In an April 29, 2017, phone call, Trump told Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte that the U.S. had positioned two nuclear submarines off the coast of North Korea. This was during a time when Trump was warning of a possible "major, major conflict" with North Korea.[52] The locations of nuclear submarines are a closely guarded secret, even from the Navy command itself: "As a matter of national security, only the captains and crew of the submarines know for sure where they're located."[53]

On May 24, 2017, Britain strongly objected to the United States leaking to the press information about the Manchester Arena bombing, including the identity of the attacker and a picture of the bomb, before it had been publicly disclosed, jeopardizing the investigation.[54] British Prime Minister Theresa May issued a public rebuke, and British police said they would stop passing information to U.S. counterparts.[55]

In July 2017, after a private meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the 2017 G20 Hamburg summit, Trump took the unusual step of confiscating and keeping his interpreter's notes. This led U.S. intelligence officials to express concern that Trump "may have improperly discussed classified intelligence with Russia."[2]

On Christmas 2018, Trump and First Lady Melania Trump flew to Al Asad Airbase where Trump posted video to Twitter of several members of Seal Team Five in their camouflage and night-vision goggles, revealing the team's location and un-blurred faces.[56][57]

On August 30, 2019, Trump tweeted a reportedly classified image of recent damage to Iran's Imam Khomeini Spaceport that supposedly occurred as a result of an explosion during testing of a Safir SLV. Multiple concerns were raised regarding the public release of what appeared to be a surveillance photo with exceptionally high resolution, revealing highly classified U.S. surveillance capabilities.[58] Within hours of the tweet, amateur satellite trackers had determined the photograph came from National Reconnaissance Office spy satellite USA-224.[59] Before Trump's tweet, the only confirmed photographs from a KH-11 satellite were leaked in 1984 by a U.S. Navy analyst who went to prison for espionage.[59] Trump defended the tweet by saying he had "the absolute right" to release the photo.[60]

In a December 2019 interview with Bob Woodward, Trump stated, "I have built a nuclear — a weapons system that nobody's ever had in this country before," adding, "We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before. There's nobody. What we have is incredible."[61]

In February 2022, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) identified classified documents in the 15 boxes of documents that Trump took to his Mar-a-Lago resort when he left the White House in January 2021. NARA also found that some social media and electronic records weren't properly preserved per the Presidential Records Act, and that some records had been torn up.
murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 21:01:09

"In an April 29, 2017, phone call, Trump told Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte that the U.S. had positioned two nuclear submarines off the coast of North Korea."

Yeah but that was obvious bullshit so ...

Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 08 21:10:55
Jmb, Is it Elves? Did elves deem it classified?

Its a simple question, who has ultimate authority to classify or declassify documents?

Hint it rhymes with resident.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 08 21:27:19
he has to make it clear he’s declassifying, can’t just take shit and later claim declassified

that he ever had any power is crazy
murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 21:59:48

"Hint it rhymes with resident."

No, that's not how it works. Many documents are automatically classified. The president doesn't handle, see, or know about the vast majority of classified documents.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Aug 08 21:59:57
Fox & R's sure wasting no time declaring it entirely politically motivated & corrupt

zero details have been given by anyone except Trump... but they are all certain it's wrong
murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 22:02:06

McCarthy is trying to intimidate the Attorney General and obstruct the investigation. Throw his ass in jail with his cult leader.

Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 08 22:54:39
"Fox & R's sure wasting no time declaring it entirely politically motivated & corrupt"

Did anyone suspect anything different?

This is a gift like no other.This and the new IRS army of the president of Nottingham Forest will take center stage alongside the economy in every Republican midterm ad.
Habebe
Member
Mon Aug 08 22:56:08
Murder,What does that have to do with this? He clearly had said documents.
kargen
Member
Mon Aug 08 23:22:56
"The president doesn't handle, see, or know about the vast majority of classified documents."

Well then obviously those probably are not what is suspected of being in his home.
murder
Member
Mon Aug 08 23:45:14

"Murder,What does that have to do with this? He clearly had said documents."

The president doesn't choose what to classify. He can declassify information, but he can't just haul away classified info and then later say "No I declassified that."

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 09 01:00:00
"Did anyone suspect anything different?"

would be nice if a major political 'party' & their propaganda outlet weren't determined to undermine all faith in the country

...& the piece of shit they are 'defending' is very clearly a piece of shit (they don't actually defend his actions, they just don't ever mention them... just like they don't repeat the main topics he talks about, just pretend it's not happening)
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 09 02:31:14
"would be nice if a major political 'party' & their propaganda outlet weren't determined to undermine all faith in the country"

I mean, this is just so normal to send the FBI to raid your political opponent...

McKobb
Member
Tue Aug 09 03:12:34
The FBI doesn't have a political opponent.

"WASHINGTON, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Donald Trump's son Eric Trump told Fox News that the FBI raid on Monday of his father's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida was conducted over documents sought by the National Archives."

sounds like NA wantd their shit back
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Tue Aug 09 04:08:20
"I mean, this is just so normal to send the FBI to raid your political opponent..."

Dude Biden doesn't control the day to day actions of the FBI you massive retard. Search warrant signed off by a judge and head of FBI was put in by Trump himself

Why the fuzz do you think ex presidents should have permanent immunity from crime investigations?
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Tue Aug 09 04:12:59
""Fox & R's sure wasting no time declaring it entirely politically motivated & corrupt"

Did anyone suspect anything different?

This is a gift like no other."

Basically admitting your party is broken dude they'll lie and attack the guardrails of democracy, separation of power and the constitution whenever they can.

Foxnews today is the infowars of 15 years ago
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 09 04:20:01
Imagine if this had happened in Russia. That the current president Putin would raid the opposition leader's home and break into his safe.
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 09 04:20:10
Imagine if this had happened in Russia. That the current president Putin would raid the opposition leader's home and break into his safe.
murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 06:02:44

"I mean, this is just so normal to send the FBI to raid your political opponent..."

Stop committing crimes.

Seems simple enough.

murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 06:19:19

"What does that have to do with my statement? He might be guilty on this one and if he is he should face the consequences."

He might be guilty? It's been known that he was destroying official records since pretty much the day he took office. Aids literally had to fish torn up documents out of waste baskets and tape them back together to try to save them.

That's why he started flushing documents down the toilet.


"You and your ilk have been throwing accusations his way for close to seven years now just hoping eventually one will stick."

He's guilty of every damn charge levelled against him. You and your ilk chose to support a known criminal and elect him president.

Dukhat
Member
Tue Aug 09 08:22:55
GOP supporters never had any morality. Might makes right always unless the person with the might has darker skin.

Such a simple and stupid creed but it's what they live by.

They will die for their Trumpanzee ... at least online. In real-life they will say he's not conservative enough and shrug their shoulders.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:08:02
"he has to make it clear he’s declassifying, can’t just take shit and later claim declassified"

Lol

This is based on what law?

Nothing?

Right
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:11:46
"Dude Biden doesn't control the day to day actions of the FBI you massive retard. Search warrant signed off by a judge and head of FBI was put in by Trump himself"

Do you think the FBI just went and raided a former POTUS without the executive branch knowing?

Could you imagine if Trump had the FBI raid the Biden's? We would hear the."end of democracy"

I mean they claim that for anything these days.But damn.
murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:19:57

Great news! Andrew Cuomo has turned MAGA!

=================================

Andrew Cuomo @andrewcuomo

DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.

http://twitter.com/andrewcuomo/status/1556990308424028163

====================================


I wonder what other laws he thinks are inconsequential.

murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:22:24

"Could you imagine if Trump had the FBI raid the Biden's?"

That's right ... all Trump did was try to use federal tax dollars to extort a foreign country into fabricating evidence against Biden.

obaminated
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:38:33
They fbi better find something substantial or else this is going to destroy any trust in the fbi and heads will roll. Possibly literally. This is the sort of shit the ussr did.
murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:41:21

"They fbi better find something substantial or else this is going to destroy any trust in the fbi ..."

Again?!?! lol :o)

murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:42:34

The FBI literally helped get this moron elected.

murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:48:24

Another amusing thing for me is how the MAGA crowd comes out and start yelling about Epstein and his "guest" list never being investigated ... as if Epstein's favorite wingman was Mr MAGA himself ... and as if every single one of Epstein's lawyers and the prosecutors that helped cover up the list weren't MAGA themselves.

obaminated
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:51:43
Was trump ever on pedo Island? I recall he saw epstein in NYC. Meanwhile Clinton went to his island multiple times.
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:53:51
What if the FBI found a child-sex-trafficking club at Mara-lago? Maybe Epstein had a secret private suite at Mara-lago. If I were the FBI I would search for secret doors, trapdoors and crawlspaces.
murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 09:59:28

"Was trump ever on pedo Island? I recall he saw epstein in NYC. Meanwhile Clinton went to his island multiple times."

He must've been. How else would he know that Epstein like women "on the younger side"?

As for Clinton(s) ... I don't give a fuck. You can throw every damn one of them under the jail.
murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 10:01:38

"What if the FBI found a child-sex-trafficking club at Mara-lago? Maybe Epstein had a secret private suite at Mara-lago. If I were the FBI I would search for secret doors, trapdoors and crawlspaces."

They'd just find more former Soviet state hookers.

obaminated
Member
Tue Aug 09 10:23:59
Lol. Murder has never been to a party apparently?

Trump could've been with epstein at a party and epstien invited trump to his island where he talked about young women.

Shitty for trump not to destroy epstein and his friends sooner but as we see, the deep state is a real fucking thing. Heads have to roll after this.

Recall the fbi talked about actively preventing trump from winning the presidency. This makes the whole 2020 election a lot more sketchy.
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 09 10:26:22
Lol

http://twi...?s=21&t=fipLDZnolKRuYzzO2UpVWQ

MAGA and Antifa could make a deal, a compromise, and defund both the police and the FBI.
Rugian
Member
Tue Aug 09 10:28:38
Police != FBI
obaminated
Member
Tue Aug 09 10:32:27
Paramount is a moron that is best left ignored. We are all in our mid 30s and he has not matured or grown in the past 20 years. He is just a troll and he will die a troll.
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 09 10:36:52
I’m only 12.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Aug 09 11:00:13
Obaminated posts without a whiff of self-reflection.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Aug 09 11:08:33
It was always clear from an objective standpoint that Trump was guilty of many crimes but pardoned by republicans because of partisanship.

But justice is not blind and the statute of limitations does not end once you are no longer president.

Partisan fools may think him vindicated but many saw what Mueller actually wrote and what Trump actually did: a majority in America and the vast majority in the world.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 09 11:35:15
the GOP House Judiciary committee tweeted you can't trust the FBI... so responsible

(Jim Jordan is chair of that committee, presumably he has control of the twitter account)

plus heaps of 'third world country' talking point on Fox & from R's
Rugian
Member
Tue Aug 09 11:42:23
The FBI is such a notoriously shifty organization that Wikipedia has an entire page devoted exclusively to its crimes and controversies.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies

But sure, we should trust their judgment unquestionly and assume that everything they're doing is purely above board.

Lol morons.
Rugian
Member
Tue Aug 09 11:43:36
Remember when being a leftist meant having a certain level of distrust for institutions like the FBI, CIA, military etc.?

Those were good times. I miss them.
Daemon
Member
Tue Aug 09 11:44:48
Lock him up!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 09 11:46:07
"
Lol
This is based on what law?
Nothing?
Right
"

so when did it become declassified? when he took it home but never said declassifying, why would that declassify it, what moment is triggering it? is it when he's caught & claims he declassified when never did, so when exactly did it occur? or he's declassifying now even though not in power?

as soon as declassified we can FOIA to see all of it... so when did that moment happen?

& as with heaps about him, even if he escapes a criminal conviction, feel free to have a problem with his continuously unfit behavior
murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 11:50:36

"Jim Jordan is chair of that committee, presumably he has control of the twitter account"

Just doing the work he gets paid to do. The right wing decided a while back that they were either going to govern this nation or burn it to the ground.

Every last one of them need to be held to account, and we have a limit budget so cost saving measures are the way to go.

williamthebastard
Member
Tue Aug 09 13:01:35
"If I were the FBI I would search for secret doors, trapdoors and crawlspaces."

Any more posts like that and you'll have habebe accidentally choking out enraged posts under his old hotrod tag
Forwyn
Member
Tue Aug 09 14:34:32
Why would it need to be declassified? The President is the preeminent authority on classified materials and has universal need to know.

He lost legal possession on Jan 20. As he legally took and possessed and retained the knowledge within them (and stands a decent chance of regaining his position), it hardly justifies a raid of dozens of heavily armed men lol
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 09 18:22:06
William, This is all great news, an over reaching government attscking political opponents? The optics alone favor Republicans.

I'm telling you, this is a gift in disguise.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Aug 09 19:18:48
"and retained the knowledge within them"

Trump has retained no knowledge of anything ever


"hardly justifies a raid of dozens of heavily armed men lol"

we have no knowledge except from the fucking liar who embellishes everything... -if- they were heavily armed, probably due to his nutbag cultists, who unsurprisingly are now calling for killing of feds & for which he won't do anything to disuade

we -know- he took shit he wasn't supposed to as some was recovered awhile ago, -presumably- they had reason to believe he was still keeping/hiding things so required a search warrant (although i'll wait to hear actual info before judging whether the FBI is completely corrupt, or the deep state will assassinate Trump (Bannon theory), etc.)
murder
Member
Tue Aug 09 19:26:19

"... it hardly justifies a raid of dozens of heavily armed men lol"

I disagree. But regardless ... odds of the FBI showing up armed and unannounced at Mar-a-Lago with the Secret Service there is absolutely zero. They would have contacted the Secret Service to let them know they were coming and they would have been met at the gate and let in and possibly even escorted around the property.

kargen
Member
Tue Aug 09 22:51:18
THe secret service part is why they waited until former President Trump was off the property. Less hoops to jump through. THe optics isn't good but whenever possible you want to go in with overwhelming numbers and firepower. Less chance of needing it if you go in heavy.
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 09 23:14:05
Where was Desantis's good for nothing state military in all this?
williamthebastard
Member
Wed Aug 10 02:48:38
"overwhelming numbers and firepower"
lol. This seems to have been far less dramatic than initially played to the media by Trump to con his cattle. The SS finally demanded to get all the boxes of classified US property theyve been demanding for nearly 2 years and which they by now know Trump is purposely avoiding to provide. A tempest in a teapot, is my guess.
williamthebastard
Member
Wed Aug 10 02:51:25
...The FBI finally demanded...
murder
Member
Wed Aug 10 05:46:34

"THe secret service part is why they waited until former President Trump was off the property. Less hoops to jump through. THe optics isn't good but whenever possible you want to go in with overwhelming numbers and firepower. Less chance of needing it if you go in heavy."

Yeah ... if you're raiding a crack house. There are federal agents there in charge of security. You show up with guns and the odds of a disastrous firefight breaking out skyrocket. They need a heads up, and credentials are checked before you ever breach the property.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 10 11:46:32
Trump, his lawyers, & Marjorie all speculating that the FBI has planted evidence (Marjorie finding it an "extremely high probability")

& his fuckwit cultists will buy it as always
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 11:57:11
Trump can be borderline criminal and the FBI entrapping people via fraud are not mutually exclusive.

The FBI has a long history of finding evidence of crimes that never happened.
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 12:13:08
We really need to find out more.

We havn't seen any footage, Trump claims he has footage and that his lawyers were not allowed to be present. But he hasn't released the footage publically, so who knows.

The Feds are really dragging their feet, I suspect because they found less than they hoped.

But it could be timing or they are scouring evidence to find something.

Time will tell.
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 12:14:55
Fully expect a congressional investigation next session though.

Internal GOP* polls have them eyeing up seats that Biden won over 11 points.

Again, internal polls, so that often shows a bias, but its also not to far off from other polls.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Aug 10 12:49:38
None of the seats biden won exist anymore. Districts were redrawn.

And Republicans wasting time on investigations of Joe and Hunter will piss off all the people that are voting for Republicans only because of inflation.

Easy re-election for Biden.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Wed Aug 10 13:34:25
http://www...trump-was-hiding-where-1732283

An Informer Told the FBI What Docs Trump Was Hiding, and Where

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.

The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI's deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump's Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 10 14:01:44
"We havn't seen any footage, Trump claims he has footage and that his lawyers were not allowed to be present. But he hasn't released the footage publically, so who knows."

are lawyers ever allowed to be present? do they just stand around a few hours to wait for them to arrive? and yes he has security cam footage... he also has the warrant he could release... until his people can edit the video into some short clip & have a voiceover claim corruption going on (as w/ Georgia 'suitcase' bullshit) we won't see it


"The Feds are really dragging their feet, I suspect because they found less than they hoped. "

that's ridiculous... this shit always takes forever, they took many boxes of shit away to sift through
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 10 14:04:34
as to "Time will tell"

Fox & the GOP going full bore declaring Trump innocent & FBI/Biden admin corrupt, + now with Trump & his loyal cultists claiming FBI planted evidence the idiots will easily slide into that belief

he's now completely exonerated & if anything found by the FBI, it's just evidence the FBI corrupt (for any fools following Fox/GOP)
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 15:47:09
"are lawyers ever allowed to be present?"

Standard procedure for any searches is to have your attorney watch them.

And as for dragging their feet, why won't the FBI release their copy of the warrant affidavit.

So far this doesn't seem to be going well for Biden.

Who totally has no clue what the executive branch does apparently.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Wed Aug 10 16:06:14
"And as for dragging their feet, why won't the FBI release their copy of the warrant affidavit."

Dude you know that Trump has a copy, why doesn't he release it?

"So far this doesn't seem to be going well for Biden."

Sounds pretty bad for Trump dude

http://www...trump-was-hiding-where-1732283

"An Informer Told the FBI What Docs Trump Was Hiding, and Where

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek."
kargen
Member
Wed Aug 10 16:34:21
Articles I've read say Trumps lawyers are still trying to get a physical copy of the warrant and a list of everything that was taken. A list of items ceased is suppose to be given even if no request is made. So why isn't the FBI providing the information by law they are suppose to provide?

Lawyers were on scene and they asked to be allowed to witness the search. They are allowed to watch as is anyone else that might be staying in the place being searched. Most if not all law firms suggest when you are given a search warrant to comply but also take notes and/or video of everything that takes place. It is your right to do so.
FBI asked the staff to turn off all security cameras but the staff refused. Unknown if the FBI found a way to shut them down themselves.

If they had information about an exact location of documents why did they feel the need to search every room? Sounds like they used what might be a legitimate concern (documents) to cast a wider net on their little fishing expedition.

Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 16:35:41
"Dude you know that Trump has a copy, why doesn't he release it?
"

They gave Trump a copy of the affidavit?! Thats news to me.

The judge has now given the FBI until August 15th to release it.


Trumps support is up and henis supposedly breaking fundraising records.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Wed Aug 10 16:43:33
"Articles I've read say Trumps lawyers are still trying to get a physical copy of the warrant and a list of everything that was taken. "

Dude thats cause you exclusively read fox news

http://nyp...f-mar-a-lago-fbi-raid-warrant/

"Former President Donald Trump reportedly has no plans to publish the search warrant used to raid Mar-a-Lago on Monday — as the judge who approved the search considers a motion to unseal the document."

Want to explain why Trump has no plans to publish the search warrant if he doesn't have a copy?

http://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-08-09/fbi-search-of-trumps-home-shows-seriousness-of-information-being-sought

The former president’s son Eric Trump said on Fox News on Monday night that federal investigators sought records that had not been handed over to the National Archives when his father left the White House. FBI agents would have left a copy of the search warrant, including an itemized list of what they sought and what was removed. Trump lawyer Christina Bobb told the Real America’s Voice streaming service that she was present during the search and agents told her they were looking for classified documents.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
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Wed Aug 10 16:49:55
Hot Habebe Rod - why you ignoring the article about one of Trumps dudes telling the FBI he had documents?

http://www...ner-circle-who-flipped-1732532

"two senior government officials told Newsweek that the Mar-a-Lago raid was largely based on information from an informant who told the FBI what documents Trump was hiding in his Florida resort and where they were located."
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Wed Aug 10 16:56:17
"Lawyers were on scene and they asked to be allowed to witness the search. They are allowed to watch as is anyone else"

Dude Trump lawyer Christina Bobb admits she was present during the search. Why is everything you post a fox news lie?
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 17:04:03
Jmb,

Where is the evidence that Trumpnwas given the affidavit as you claimed?
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 17:06:19
Was this all over some obscure records rule?

If so, this is a Trump win, clearly.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
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Wed Aug 10 17:10:28
"Was this all over some obscure records rule?"

The same records rule that caused you to chant "lock her up"?

Wanna explain why Trump can take top secret documents back to his house after losing an election and keep them there?

http://www...-like-hillarys-emails-00050691

"Notably, Trump — after a fierce campaign against Clinton in which he called for her to be jailed for her handling of classified material — signed a law in 2018 that stiffened the penalty for the unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents from one year to five years, turning it into a felony offense."
murder
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Wed Aug 10 17:45:55

Getting to watch all the MAGAts lose their shit because laws are being enforced, and watching the GOP line up behind Donald Trump and box out Ron DeSantis is worth the irritation of knowing that he's going to be allowed to skate yet again.

kargen
Member
Wed Aug 10 18:02:26
Dude didn't read any FOX News at all. Well I did read one article on the IRS but nothing about the raid. In fact I read the article you shared above and it says exactly the same thing I said above.

Read down a few more paragraphs.

"FBI agents would have left a copy of the search warrant, including an itemized list of what they sought and what was removed. Trump lawyer Christina Bobb told the Real America’s Voice streaming service that she was present during the search and agents told her they were looking for classified documents."

Convention says they would have. Some are saying this didn't happen. What should have happened and what did happen often are not the same thing.

and yeah we all know lawyers were present. They were made to wait outside while the search went on inside.

I'm not saying the warrant is bad or that Trump has committed no crimes. I am saying the FBI did not follow conventional protocol and laws in carrying out the warrant. If it turns out Trump broke the law I hope he has to face the consequences. I was also hoping he would not run for president again but this pretty much assures us he will.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 10 19:16:52
"I am saying the FBI did not follow conventional protocol and laws in carrying out the warrant."

for which you determined entirely by believing Trump or his associates (guess what? they LIE all the time)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 10 19:24:32
if ever there was a time to dot all i’s and cross all t’s, this would be it as it would face huge scrutiny under normal circumstances, but in this case it’s against a crazed vengeful cult leader where all involved will face death threats (the judge who is believed to have signed warrant already receiving them) and if Trump ever in office again, they’ll all be killed (possibly) or just fired (with continued death threats)

and crazily no one on the cult side will expect Trump to ask his cultists to stop with the threats (consistent with his never doing so in the past)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 10 19:26:53
...so I’m betting they did, unlike kargen who is presuming they didn’t based on info from the most dishonest cabal in history
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 10 19:48:20
apparently Fox helping get the judge killed
http://twitter.com/acyn/status/1557519133515714560?s=21
I assumed it was just cultists on social media hunting him down

there of course is zero evidence of anything wrong with the warrant or ‘raid’
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 10 19:58:35
No body wants this guy dead or to have death threats.

Sure, offer him increased security if he desires it.

Are they stalking him online and paying people to report his where abouts?

When it was Kavanaugh you seemed ok with that.

Can we now agree that its really a dangerous game to encourage such behaviour?

But this isn't that its pointing out he lucks oreos and booze, which seems fine to me.

He signed the order demanding the FBI release their info on Monday.
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