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Y2A
Member
Thu Aug 11 23:33:10
she's done, the question is how much:

http://www...imary-vote-will-Liz-Cheney-win

What percentage of the Wyoming at-large primary vote will Liz Cheney win?

<29%, 35c
Dukhat
Member
Fri Aug 12 00:05:05
Who cares? If politicians cared less about winning and more about doing the right thing, then our country would be beter off.

Also fuck wyoming.
murder
Member
Fri Aug 12 02:36:01

Who would have ever guessed that the Cheney clan would be done in by one of them doing the right thing?

At this point she'd have a better chance of getting elected as a carpetbagger in New York than in any red state.

Think about that. lol :o)

Y2A
Member
Tue Aug 16 18:18:38
ttt
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 16 19:36:41
"At this point she'd have a better chance of getting elected as a carpetbagger in New York than in any red state."

That makes perfect sense.
kargen
Member
Tue Aug 16 19:43:16
"That makes perfect sense."

Yep. They hate Trump, she hates Trump and nothing else matters.
Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 16 20:00:15
Kargen, No, no, she is also quite the warmonger.
murder
Member
Tue Aug 16 20:03:19

"Yep. They hate Trump, she hates Trump and nothing else matters."

No ... because New Yorkers sometimes elect Republicans, but red staters have gone full batshit absolutely loyalty to the cult leader crazy.

Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 16 20:37:20
Uh, Joe Manchin?
murder
Member
Tue Aug 16 20:39:41

Fuck Joe Manchin! What about him?

Habebe
Member
Tue Aug 16 21:50:11
The red states also at times vote in democrats.
murder
Member
Wed Aug 17 09:26:45

It's official, the Republican Party is no more. There is only the Cult of Trump. The only thing that matters is absolute allegiance to the big orange turd.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Aug 17 09:39:49
And also not voting for shitty Democrat gun bills
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Aug 17 11:31:23
she was tanking in polls long before that bill

there is exactly one reason why
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 17 14:06:50
Is that why Biden has shitty polls? Because he is anti Trump?
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 17 14:09:24
Of course Democrats hate Tulsi, who voted 80% against Trumps position.

They agreed on war stances though.
murder
Member
Wed Aug 17 15:17:15

She's a Russian asset, and Democrats hate treason.

earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Aug 17 15:32:08
"It's official, the Republican Party is no more. There is only the Cult of Trump. The only thing that matters is absolute allegiance to the big orange turd."

On the subject of gamifying politics, we could do a bingo game with the GOP and Umberto Eco's 14 common traits of fascism.


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The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”

The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”

The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”

Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”

Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”

Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Aug 17 15:47:10
Here you are, the End of Democracy edition of Bingo!

http://imgur.com/a/76GK3Pm
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 17 16:33:52
"The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

If covid and gender theory are any guide, he modern left is at odds with the ideas of the age enlightenment.

It also then comes to the idea of when is a religion a religion?

Is gender ideology/wokeism a religion? What makes It distinct from a religion?

What makes a religion a religion IMHO os more than tax status.

I would argue a majot aspect is blind faith, as opposed to measurable science.

Not me "I am the science" in his king Louis moment.
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 17 16:34:14
Mr** I am the state.
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Aug 17 17:45:26
The gender theory stuff makes it's way into normal fields of medicine because they can scientifically measure that certain health outcomes get better, such as suicide rates going down, if folks with the clinical condition of gender dysphoria, or whatever, feel validated and seen in certain ways. And since that validation can come at the cost of no negative measurable health outcomes for others, simply by those others allowing folks with the condition to feel validated, that's what becomes the agenda.

Smoking. It's bad for smokers, and bad for those around smokers. The outcomes can be measured. Those outcomes can be changed in a way that doesn't have any measured negative outcomes for the smokers or the non-smokers (they don't give a shit that the quitting smoker might have a hard time of it, might resist, might allege conspiracy theories, the continuing smoker might face social ostracization, etc, they aren't measuring for those things, so those things are invisible). So that's the agenda. If quitting smoking caused smokers *or* non-smokers some measurable harm, it would be a different conversation.
earthpig
GTFO HOer
Wed Aug 17 18:03:53
In other words, the prescription for someone suffering from depression over gender stuff, is to use the little boy's or little girl's room, and for everyone to call them by the whatever pronouns, among other things.

The most effective way to *effect* that prescription is to tell everyone that so-and-so is such-and-such, and there's science to back it (specifically, the science does in fact say that the person's less likely to kill themselves if everyone does those things, and I don't think anyone disputes this at all).
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 17 18:42:40
Some sketchy "science" on suicide rates.

Yes clearly transgender people have higher levels of suicide, the cause and solution are not as easy.


I think the issues start to come up when everyone else is than expected to cater to their whims and break norms that ppl don't want to.

And at what expense to the others?

Look at women's sports. I dont see why They cant just have tranny leagues. How is the mental health of women who feel pushed outnof a space that was made for them?

We have gender leagues for thendame reasons we have weight classes IMO, which is to have fair competition.


The prescription solution doesn't seem different from say Muslims who would be happier if we all agreed God was great, but instead we agree that its an individual choice tonfollow faith.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Aug 17 19:31:10
"She's a Russian asset, and Democrats hate treason."
"Disagreement is treason."

lol

"In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge."

LOL
Y2A
Member
Wed Aug 17 21:23:10
this dumbass better not run as a third party candidate and siphon off anti-clown rinos.
Habebe
Member
Wed Aug 17 23:06:02
Y2a, Yeah, Ive seen some lefties floating the idea as if it would siphon off Republicans who dislike Trump, but that logic makes little sense to me, your theory seems more probable.
murder
Member
Thu Aug 18 07:42:21

"this dumbass better not run as a third party candidate and siphon off anti-clown rinos"

I will never understand why people worry about this. Exactly zero voters vote third party if they would otherwise have voted for one of the two major party candidates.

Zero.

A third party vote is a protest vote. If those people don't vote "third party", they'd vote for Mickey Mouse or they wouldn't vote at all.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Aug 18 09:11:40
http://twi...96546?cxt=HHwWhICz4fKxpqUrAAAA
murder
Member
Thu Aug 18 09:15:53

Surely you can pick a better example.

Fuck terrorists and their feelings!

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