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williamthebastard
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Sat Aug 13 12:47:54
Habebe et al: How would you rank Trump's honesty on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 meaning impossible to trust and 10 meaning as honest as it gets?
murder
Member
Sat Aug 13 13:14:16

This isn't a poll. This is a test. Strictly pass/fail. :o)

Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 13 13:50:43
Depends, on many things Trump with his lack of filter is brutally honest, where most politicians will give politician answers.

IE

DC is a shit hole. It clearly is.

When asked about Puyin being a killer, his answer was "Alot of killers out there"

Which lets face it, name one major. World leader with no blood on their hands. It was a much more honest answer than you will get from any other major politician in the US or even Europe.

His lies are largely absurd exagerations.

Compare that to the Biden WH which routinely just changes the definition of things and which has a more honest approach?
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 13 13:57:04
I think we have accepted certain lies from politicians as standard.

Do I care that Trump said his innaugeration was the largest ever and it clearly wasn't? No.

Do I care the WH claims there is no recession and that 8.5% is 0%? Yeah a bit.It doesnt really matter because we know the truth, but its clearly a blatant lie.

Or how about no new audits with the expanded IRS will be used on lower/middle income folks, people actually beleive that, but they refuse to codify that into law and the CBO estimates 20 billion dollars more from audits on then before.
williamthebastard
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Sat Aug 13 14:12:50
1 to 10 please, the whole "compared to other politicians etc" is too predictable and irrelevant.
Habebe
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Sat Aug 13 14:31:31
N/A
williamthebastard
Member
Sat Aug 13 14:33:15
Yeah, cos actually putting a number where your mouth is gets dodgy huh? "I wanna say 3/10 but that'll make me look stupid"
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 13 14:34:45
Because it removes all nuance.

It would be like saying on a scale from 1 to ten how to is planet earth.
Habebe
Member
Sat Aug 13 14:35:18
How hot*
McJesus Burger
Member
Sat Aug 13 15:03:24
10
Rugian
Member
Sat Aug 13 15:11:56
WTB

How much of a homosexual are you? 1 to 10 please.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Aug 13 19:09:03
1, which is 1 higher than Pelosi/Jean-Pierre/their media lapdogs
murder
Member
Sat Aug 13 19:31:43

If you answer the OP with any number other than zero ... seek help. You are in a cult.

There is no way that anyone with even a modicum of free will can witness Trump's decades long history of lying and scamming and determine that even 1 is a low enough score.

Donald Trump is what a lie would look like if it could take human form.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Aug 13 19:40:29
I think what habebe is saying is that Trumps honesty is a field, not a number, like weather or inflation.

Just as you underestimate habebe, BAM! He surprises you by using field theory as a model for gauging Trump's honesty.

Sneaky bastard.
williamthebastard
Member
Sun Aug 14 11:46:47
Yeah, I suspect a greater number of Trumpers than people want to admit havent been brainwashed into believing him but in fact like his immorality: "Course he fucking lies all the time, tells people to go fuck themselves after making deals, bangs porn stars, dodges taxes, scams idiots who are too dumb not to be scammed, wants to put niggers in their place, etc. etc. etc., hell, that's exactly what I wish I could do. Go Don!"
Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 14 12:08:41
Wtb is a strange angry man.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Aug 14 12:28:55
Donald Trump is a match thrown into an overgrown old forest. Who lit the match, who threw it and who let the forest get to this state, those far more interesting questions.
Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 14 13:53:03
I brought up his bluntly honest statements for a specific reason.

Because when you hear people say things like "He is the most honest potus in modern times" or he kept it 100 etc.

They are specifically referring to things like that.

The man looked at Jeb Bush at a debate and said "Your brother lied us into war"

That's as brutally honest as it gets.That is what people responded to.

But couple that with regular exxagerations or made up awards he won.

Which is why one flat number isn't a good metric.

And something mabey closer to political spectrum charts would be more in the right direction.

If you truly wanted to know WHY people say shit like that about him that's the reason though.

If you instead want to just want to engrandize yourself by punching down like at crazy homeless people, sure carry on with your un nuanced approach
nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:05:37
Having no filter doesn't make you honest. You can as easily lie without a filter, should you have that predilection.

People that call Trump "honest" because he doesn't have a filter simply are unable to make that distinction.

He's a 0. He was a 0 before he was president.

He's built his entire life on a never-ending series of lies, as his previous schemes evaporate and his new ones coalesce. That's who he is, and if that isn't clear by now, there's no hope for whomever can't see it.
nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:07:05
I do agree w/ Nim that the conditions that allowed one of the most degenerate disgusting human beings in history to come into and maintain power are more interesting to analyze than the turd himself.
nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:10:06
The conditions that allowed this travesty are twofold:

Our monoparty put up a stinking turd (Trump) vs. a moldy cunt (Hilary) as the choices.

How Trump was even allowed into the mix is a side effect of AI-curated bubbles. He represents the most disgusting aspects of our society, but those aspects are actively cultivated and encouraged (on BOTH sides) through social media.
nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:12:47
Then, on the flip side, there were people like me, that, at the time, I would have rather seen Trump go into power because...let it all burn. Show the world what a shitshow our political monoparty truly is, with the hope that it falls apart and gets rebuilt.

Unfortunately, he didn't fuck up enough in the first four years for people to open their eyes to the fact that Demoncrats and Replublitards are only different marketing departments for the oligarchy.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:17:50
Alternative universe Trump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoeD6fTzalQ&t=67s
Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:21:15
Nhill, I agree he lies on a regular basis. To be fair almost every politician does.

But when people say he was honest, they are reffering to his moments of brutal honesry at a level nearly unheard of in our politicians.



http://youtu.be/G8-VB-XkjKQ

Is Putin a killer? Yes. So is every US potus in our lifetimes, Boris Johnson, Merkle, they are all killers.

So you can say that answering ues Putin is a killer is a truthful statement. However it can be misleading to not point out the US government and its officials are also killers thus making Trumps statement more honest in this and other cases.
nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:22:30
Yes, we agree he had no filter and also agree that was uncommon for a politician.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:24:28
The dudes with glasses is Habebe with his MAGAs and Truth socials http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bPidttXlbw
nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 14:25:11
I'm not going to whatabout compare him to any other politician. His political career is a small portion of his life. He's been known as one of the biggest scammers and liars in history LONG before he was on a ballot, and did nothing to stop that trend while in office.
murder
Member
Sun Aug 14 16:32:08

"Our monoparty put up a stinking turd (Trump) vs. a moldy cunt (Hilary) as the choices."

Yes. Hillary is literally the only Democrat that Trump could defeat because she is disliked or outright hated by most Americans.

The same dynamic played out this last election. No one really wanted Joe Biden, but they wanted Trump less.

And Trump is probably the only Republican candidate that could re-elect Biden.

This is how we pick our Presidents.

murder
Member
Sun Aug 14 16:39:02

"So you can say that answering ues Putin is a killer is a truthful statement. However it can be misleading to not point out the US government and its officials are also killers thus making Trumps statement more honest in this and other cases."

Sure Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, were killers, but so was George Washington.

Saying that Putin is no worse than we are isn't being brutally honest, it's serving his master.

Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 14 16:45:40
"I'm not going to whatabout compare him to any other politician. His political career is a small portion of his life. He's been known as one of the biggest scammers and liars in history LONG before he was on a ballot, and did nothing to stop that trend while in office."

But no one cared before he was elected, so to say he lied in office is to accuse pornstars of being sexual ans grass of being green.

Being honest and being a liar are oddly not mutually exclusive.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Aug 14 16:46:53
Nhill
Instead, we are gonna huddle together in the warmth of the fire and take turns looking at the turd from different angles and put a number on its gloss to brown ratio :) is that a piece of corn lodged in there?! How much do you think it weighs? Most important of all, is it a floater?

Habebe
Member
Sun Aug 14 16:47:33
"Sure Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, were killers, but so was George Washington."

Reductio ad absurdum.

nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 18:21:15
Nimatzo

It's all so tiresome, innit. :)
nhill
Member
Sun Aug 14 18:49:09
>But no one cared before he was elected, so to say he lied in office is to accuse pornstars of being sexual ans grass of being green.

It was common knowledge that Trump was a known scammer and liar long before he was elected. I do agree that people didn't care much and looked at him as a disgusting example of billionaire excess in our country. That was his schtick.

People cared a lot more when they thought he had influence in our political system than when he was a run-of-the-mill reality show star.
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