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Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Sep 09 14:02:10
Just for your electricity bills. That is the advice electricity companies are giving their customers here.

But don’t worry, we will build more wind turbines that have an availability of 9% during winter. :D

Sam Adams
Member Fri Sep 09 14:05:20
Even germany surely isnt so incompetent to build wind farms at 9% capacity during the windy season?

Back when i was in that industry our windy season average was 40%.

Sam Adams
Member Fri Sep 09 14:11:01
But ya... should have kept the nukes.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Sep 09 15:07:49
Windy season here isn't during peak usage. To make things worse most wind investments have been made in the north, where no one lives while also shutting down CHP and nuclear reactors in the south :D

Governance of clowns. There is apparently no long term or really any type of planning for something as important and complex as energy infrastructure. You just do things that sound good to the circus audience like paramount who parrot low resolution talking point about Sweden the net exporter of electricity. Things like grid balancing and transfer capacity have not been internalized. We should blame the administrative partition of Sweden into 4 grid areas. That is what makes electricity more expensive! Not the fact that we are a net importer during peak hours of winter.

The truly sad and horrific thing is that if you read the Svenska kraftnät's (government authority in charge of the grid) own yearly report and prognosis, this power balance deficit is only going to get worse and worse each coming winter. Because while we are electrifying, the only thing being built is wind turbines and their impact on the power balance is insignificant because 9% availability.

Sam Adams
Member Fri Sep 09 15:14:41
The anti-nuclear movement might be the worst idea in the world.

Maybe even worse than communism and wokism.

Habebe
Member Fri Sep 09 15:59:29
Are there atleast NG plants to fill the void?

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Sep 09 17:17:55
We have about 662 MW from a reserve oil plant, meant for times of crises, that has been running overtime past few years, but that is planned to be retired within a few year :D

Denmark is often pointed to as an example for how an entire country can get so much of their energy from wind. Less know is that the Danish grid is fully integrated where half of the Danish grid is stabilized by Sweden, the other half by Germany.

This is awful in every conceivable way. The grid required to handle all these small scale turbines and transfer electricity 1000 km, will cost massive amounts. Massive. And no one has actually invested in building that grid. And I am hearing that money saved up through the huge fees we have paid for the grid, that is suppose to go towards maintenance, will have to be used to keep consumers to go broke from their electricity bills.

The hard truth is that there is no quick fix to this. There is no quick fix and politicians are politicking. You would think the Germans would have snapped out of it, but no, they have merely delayed the closing down of their reactors, they are still going to shut them down. Here in Sweden, just a few years ago, the project to build 2 more reactors at Ringhals had come pretty far, like they had settled on reactor design and next step was tendering manufacturers, the greens killed it.

Sam Adams
Member Fri Sep 09 17:21:01
"like they had settled on reactor design and next step was tendering manufacturers, the greens killed it."

The "green" anti-nuclear movement has done great damage

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Sep 09 17:28:12
I am not the most optimistic person by nature, but this is gloomy even for me. Sweden had an energy system worthy of envy, where half the energy came from nuclear and half from hydro. In less than 8 years green ideology has degraded it to the point that it will take 15-20 years to rebuild it.

Either we regress in terms of material and economic wealth or backtrack on the Russian energy sanctions. Either way good chance the EU disintegrates. This and the rate hikes will induce a shock where the only "fix" is to lower energy demand/consumption. I hate to say it, but this is the kind of shit that can pave the way for WEF and their "own nothing and be happy" future.

Happy to be wrong, happy to have someone convince me that there is an obvious fix besides, consume less energy.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Sep 09 17:41:00
Remember I said a few months ago that while everything seemed calm on the surface, if you listened to the right people and read between the lines of what the virtue signaling clowns, you could see people where running behind the scenes in panic, because they knew the sky was falling and that they had no solutions to it. We can't burn fossil fuels, we can't buy gas from Russia, we destroyed our nuclear industry, wind blows, just not when you need it. Ergo we are fucked :)

Habebe
Member Fri Sep 09 19:50:12
"Sweden had an energy system worthy of envy, where half the energy came from nuclear and half from hydro. In less than 8 years green ideology has degraded it to the point that it will take 15-20 years to rebuild it."

Ironically nuclear/Hydro being even lower in carbon output.

Take this with a grain of salt because I cant say Ive thoroughly researched it.

I remember reading how Russia was funding green parties/causes in Germany and around Europe to push wind and solar at the expense of nuclear, leaving them largely dependant on Russian petrol.

Motive wise from a Russian POV, it makes sense.But I cant speak to the validity of it.

Habebe
Member Fri Sep 09 19:52:06
http://nat...environmental-activists-202846

Here is a story about it.

LazyCommunist
Member Sat Sep 10 03:37:34
What's 5000 for you? Aren't you a crypto millionaire? Bahahahaha!

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Sat Sep 10 04:58:36
A months income after taxes. Or half the current household buffer. Last year was a record and it was not even close to 2500. Do you know how many people don’t have an income of 5000 USD a month? Or plenty of firewood and a stove besides a water/brine heatpump and a house that was renovated and additionally insulated 10 years ago? Do you understand how society works? You will when the zombie apocalypse starts.

Habebe
Yes read about that, think I posted it here on UP.

jergul
large member Sat Sep 10 05:10:09
Well, they could also just live in an apartment.

Numbers for Norway:

House 1800 square feet - 24000 kWh/year
Townhouse 1200 square feet - 12000 kWh/year
Apartment 800 square feet - 4800 kWh/year

The average 20000 kWh/year is deceptive.

jergul
large member Sat Sep 10 05:10:22
http://forbrukerguiden.no/normalt-stromforbruk/

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Sat Sep 10 06:29:31
We don’t have enough apartments! Have had a housing shortage for a quite some time. Pretty sure I talked about how it got even worse during migrant crisis.

There is a confluence of shitlines you see. We can stave off the worst problems for a while by throwing borrowed money at it.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Sat Sep 10 06:31:29
This is what happens when people with degrees in anthropology and gender theory are allowed to influence the planning of a society :P

murder
Member Sat Sep 10 06:33:04

"Here is a story about it."

Surprise! Russia helps fund and organize both extremes.

Habebe
Member Sat Sep 10 06:56:50
TBH, Im shocked you don't make atleast $2500/month take home.

murder
Member Sat Sep 10 07:12:18

He said he takes home ~ $5000 a month after taxes.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Sat Sep 10 08:05:07
"Surprise! Russia helps fund and organize both extremes."

how american of russia to engage in such american activities.

Habebe
Member Sat Sep 10 08:22:54
Murder, Gotchya, I guess I misread.

Inwas gonna say, how the fuck do you live on on that! He has kids.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Sat Sep 10 09:56:45
Already industries with low margins like pape manufacturing have to shut down or they are losing money. Others are warning about lay offs and production stops. Wait til it starts hitting bakeries and stuff like that.

This has the potential of becoming far far worse than covid, there is no vaccine, we are bound by fundamental laws of physics and civilization lives down stream of the laws of thermodynamics.

Guess I will have the chimney sweeper come an audit our wooden cooking stove chimney as well. While it is functioning, it has only served as decoration, makes the kitchen look retro <3. God dam we really picked the right house for the end of civilization ;-)

Habebe
Member Sat Sep 10 10:04:53
Ibe heard the UK is being hardest. Many restaurants may not last long.

Germany is shutting down smelting plants.

Im glad its not that bad here. I have nuclear from Hartsville anyway.

Gas and wood fireplaces.grills, generators a pond and plenty of critters to live off. Im also surrounded by corn, cotton, soybean , peanut & tobacco farms.

Worst case scenario, I'll live.

murder
Member Sat Sep 10 10:08:07

You live in the US. Worst case scenario you'll have to buy a few sweaters like TheChildren.

Habebe
Member Sat Sep 10 10:33:53
I live in the south. I run my AC im the winter.

jergul
large member Sat Sep 10 13:53:58
"it has only served as decoration, makes the kitchen look retro <3"

A UK company produces high efficiency wood burning stoves with two(three) hotplates and an oven.

Retro look. Surprised they were not showcased on downton abbey.

Habebe
Member Sat Sep 10 14:10:58
Used cast iron ones around here go for anywhere between $75-$400.

jergul
large member Sun Sep 11 07:55:00
Habebe
Those are crap. Perhaps something to put into a garage. High efficiency gain twice the effective heat from unit of wood burned.

Sad times for us too finally. Tomorrow's electricity 5 times the cost of today's and about 100 times more expensive than what we have been paying this summer.

http://gyazo.com/1437965a02eb5a640204331077154675

jergul
large member Sun Sep 11 07:55:27
(I live in the 180 øre zone)

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Mon Sep 19 09:48:47
Here are some facts about lead time for the current hot topic of energy production.

Lead time from application to actual building phase for wind farms in Sweden is on average 11 years (governments own number), on paper it can be anything from 7 to 15 years. The actual building time is varies depending on size. Below is projected 6 years for a fairly large farm that will produce 500-600 MW.

One of the largest projected sea based wind farms Kriegers flak, just recently got through the entire process and will stand ready in 2028. They handed in their application in 2004 (yes two zero zero four). That is a whopping 24 years frpm application to production ready. It is still unclear if the transfer cables will be ready in 2028, so it could be in the 2030's that we first get energy supply.

Interestingly anything from 10 to 20 years is often mentioned with a hand throw gesture as why nuclear will not fix the problem right now. As the numbers above show, neither will wind since it has the same lead time, just with the the added problem of needing to scope many many more acres and fight the uphill NIMBY approval process. Sea based wind farms have to go through the same process and in general it takes slightly longer. And you think, at least you don't have NIMBY if they are built far enough out to sea, right? No NIMBY is represented by the Swedish navy, they can (and have) for reasons of national security strike down such projects.

Yet we have been lied to here in Sweden over and over, that that which can help us, here and now, is wind turbines and not nuclear.

Of course there are ways to shorten the approval process within reason, like there is no reason that 4 different authorities/instances have to do separate impact study/approvals. There are other policy decisions that can be made to make the processes quicker, but of course this applies to nuclear as well.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Sep 23 07:50:49
Developments in "Winter is coming" - Swedish Edition.

The Financial inspection authority has advised people to contact their banks and request forbearance on their mortgage payments. So the banks are being buried under an avalanche of calls and wondering, the fuck were you thinking when you said this?!
lol :)

My neighbor works at the company who owns most of the rental apartments in this village, told me he know they have a lot of people clinging on by their finger nails and now they will have to raise the rents with 60 USD because of energy cost for heating.

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Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 09 14:02:10 Just for your electricity bills. That is the advice electricity companies are giving their customers here. But don’t worry, we will build more wind turbines that have an availability of 9% during winter. :D
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 09 14:05:20 Even germany surely isnt so incompetent to build wind farms at 9% capacity during the windy season? Back when i was in that industry our windy season average was 40%.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 09 14:11:01 But ya... should have kept the nukes.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 09 15:07:49 Windy season here isn't during peak usage. To make things worse most wind investments have been made in the north, where no one lives while also shutting down CHP and nuclear reactors in the south :D Governance of clowns. There is apparently no long term or really any type of planning for something as important and complex as energy infrastructure. You just do things that sound good to the circus audience like paramount who parrot low resolution talking point about Sweden the net exporter of electricity. Things like grid balancing and transfer capacity have not been internalized. We should blame the administrative partition of Sweden into 4 grid areas. That is what makes electricity more expensive! Not the fact that we are a net importer during peak hours of winter. The truly sad and horrific thing is that if you read the Svenska kraftnät's (government authority in charge of the grid) own yearly report and prognosis, this power balance deficit is only going to get worse and worse each coming winter. Because while we are electrifying, the only thing being built is wind turbines and their impact on the power balance is insignificant because 9% availability.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 09 15:14:41 The anti-nuclear movement might be the worst idea in the world. Maybe even worse than communism and wokism.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 09 15:59:29 Are there atleast NG plants to fill the void?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 09 17:17:55 We have about 662 MW from a reserve oil plant, meant for times of crises, that has been running overtime past few years, but that is planned to be retired within a few year :D Denmark is often pointed to as an example for how an entire country can get so much of their energy from wind. Less know is that the Danish grid is fully integrated where half of the Danish grid is stabilized by Sweden, the other half by Germany. This is awful in every conceivable way. The grid required to handle all these small scale turbines and transfer electricity 1000 km, will cost massive amounts. Massive. And no one has actually invested in building that grid. And I am hearing that money saved up through the huge fees we have paid for the grid, that is suppose to go towards maintenance, will have to be used to keep consumers to go broke from their electricity bills. The hard truth is that there is no quick fix to this. There is no quick fix and politicians are politicking. You would think the Germans would have snapped out of it, but no, they have merely delayed the closing down of their reactors, they are still going to shut them down. Here in Sweden, just a few years ago, the project to build 2 more reactors at Ringhals had come pretty far, like they had settled on reactor design and next step was tendering manufacturers, the greens killed it.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 09 17:21:01 "like they had settled on reactor design and next step was tendering manufacturers, the greens killed it." The "green" anti-nuclear movement has done great damage
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 09 17:28:12 I am not the most optimistic person by nature, but this is gloomy even for me. Sweden had an energy system worthy of envy, where half the energy came from nuclear and half from hydro. In less than 8 years green ideology has degraded it to the point that it will take 15-20 years to rebuild it. Either we regress in terms of material and economic wealth or backtrack on the Russian energy sanctions. Either way good chance the EU disintegrates. This and the rate hikes will induce a shock where the only "fix" is to lower energy demand/consumption. I hate to say it, but this is the kind of shit that can pave the way for WEF and their "own nothing and be happy" future. Happy to be wrong, happy to have someone convince me that there is an obvious fix besides, consume less energy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 09 17:41:00 Remember I said a few months ago that while everything seemed calm on the surface, if you listened to the right people and read between the lines of what the virtue signaling clowns, you could see people where running behind the scenes in panic, because they knew the sky was falling and that they had no solutions to it. We can't burn fossil fuels, we can't buy gas from Russia, we destroyed our nuclear industry, wind blows, just not when you need it. Ergo we are fucked :)
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 09 19:50:12 "Sweden had an energy system worthy of envy, where half the energy came from nuclear and half from hydro. In less than 8 years green ideology has degraded it to the point that it will take 15-20 years to rebuild it." Ironically nuclear/Hydro being even lower in carbon output. Take this with a grain of salt because I cant say Ive thoroughly researched it. I remember reading how Russia was funding green parties/causes in Germany and around Europe to push wind and solar at the expense of nuclear, leaving them largely dependant on Russian petrol. Motive wise from a Russian POV, it makes sense.But I cant speak to the validity of it.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 09 19:52:06 http://nat...environmental-activists-202846 Here is a story about it.
LazyCommunist Member	Sat Sep 10 03:37:34 What's 5000 for you? Aren't you a crypto millionaire? Bahahahaha!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 10 04:58:36 A months income after taxes. Or half the current household buffer. Last year was a record and it was not even close to 2500. Do you know how many people don’t have an income of 5000 USD a month? Or plenty of firewood and a stove besides a water/brine heatpump and a house that was renovated and additionally insulated 10 years ago? Do you understand how society works? You will when the zombie apocalypse starts. Habebe Yes read about that, think I posted it here on UP.
jergul large member	Sat Sep 10 05:10:09 Well, they could also just live in an apartment. Numbers for Norway: House 1800 square feet - 24000 kWh/year Townhouse 1200 square feet - 12000 kWh/year Apartment 800 square feet - 4800 kWh/year The average 20000 kWh/year is deceptive.
jergul large member	Sat Sep 10 05:10:22 http://forbrukerguiden.no/normalt-stromforbruk/
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 10 06:29:31 We don’t have enough apartments! Have had a housing shortage for a quite some time. Pretty sure I talked about how it got even worse during migrant crisis. There is a confluence of shitlines you see. We can stave off the worst problems for a while by throwing borrowed money at it.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 10 06:31:29 This is what happens when people with degrees in anthropology and gender theory are allowed to influence the planning of a society :P
murder Member	Sat Sep 10 06:33:04 "Here is a story about it." Surprise! Russia helps fund and organize both extremes.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 10 06:56:50 TBH, Im shocked you don't make atleast $2500/month take home.
murder Member	Sat Sep 10 07:12:18 He said he takes home ~ $5000 a month after taxes.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Sat Sep 10 08:05:07 "Surprise! Russia helps fund and organize both extremes." how american of russia to engage in such american activities.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 10 08:22:54 Murder, Gotchya, I guess I misread. Inwas gonna say, how the fuck do you live on on that! He has kids.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 10 09:56:45 Already industries with low margins like pape manufacturing have to shut down or they are losing money. Others are warning about lay offs and production stops. Wait til it starts hitting bakeries and stuff like that. This has the potential of becoming far far worse than covid, there is no vaccine, we are bound by fundamental laws of physics and civilization lives down stream of the laws of thermodynamics. Guess I will have the chimney sweeper come an audit our wooden cooking stove chimney as well. While it is functioning, it has only served as decoration, makes the kitchen look retro <3. God dam we really picked the right house for the end of civilization ;-)
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 10 10:04:53 Ibe heard the UK is being hardest. Many restaurants may not last long. Germany is shutting down smelting plants. Im glad its not that bad here. I have nuclear from Hartsville anyway. Gas and wood fireplaces.grills, generators a pond and plenty of critters to live off. Im also surrounded by corn, cotton, soybean , peanut & tobacco farms. Worst case scenario, I'll live.
murder Member	Sat Sep 10 10:08:07 You live in the US. Worst case scenario you'll have to buy a few sweaters like TheChildren.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 10 10:33:53 I live in the south. I run my AC im the winter.
jergul large member	Sat Sep 10 13:53:58 "it has only served as decoration, makes the kitchen look retro <3" A UK company produces high efficiency wood burning stoves with two(three) hotplates and an oven. Retro look. Surprised they were not showcased on downton abbey.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 10 14:10:58 Used cast iron ones around here go for anywhere between $75-$400.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 11 07:55:00 Habebe Those are crap. Perhaps something to put into a garage. High efficiency gain twice the effective heat from unit of wood burned. Sad times for us too finally. Tomorrow's electricity 5 times the cost of today's and about 100 times more expensive than what we have been paying this summer. http://gyazo.com/1437965a02eb5a640204331077154675
jergul large member	Sun Sep 11 07:55:27 (I live in the 180 øre zone)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Sep 19 09:48:47 Here are some facts about lead time for the current hot topic of energy production. Lead time from application to actual building phase for wind farms in Sweden is on average 11 years (governments own number), on paper it can be anything from 7 to 15 years. The actual building time is varies depending on size. Below is projected 6 years for a fairly large farm that will produce 500-600 MW. One of the largest projected sea based wind farms Kriegers flak, just recently got through the entire process and will stand ready in 2028. They handed in their application in 2004 (yes two zero zero four). That is a whopping 24 years frpm application to production ready. It is still unclear if the transfer cables will be ready in 2028, so it could be in the 2030's that we first get energy supply. Interestingly anything from 10 to 20 years is often mentioned with a hand throw gesture as why nuclear will not fix the problem right now. As the numbers above show, neither will wind since it has the same lead time, just with the the added problem of needing to scope many many more acres and fight the uphill NIMBY approval process. Sea based wind farms have to go through the same process and in general it takes slightly longer. And you think, at least you don't have NIMBY if they are built far enough out to sea, right? No NIMBY is represented by the Swedish navy, they can (and have) for reasons of national security strike down such projects. Yet we have been lied to here in Sweden over and over, that that which can help us, here and now, is wind turbines and not nuclear. Of course there are ways to shorten the approval process within reason, like there is no reason that 4 different authorities/instances have to do separate impact study/approvals. There are other policy decisions that can be made to make the processes quicker, but of course this applies to nuclear as well.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Sep 23 07:50:49 Developments in "Winter is coming" - Swedish Edition. The Financial inspection authority has advised people to contact their banks and request forbearance on their mortgage payments. So the banks are being buried under an avalanche of calls and wondering, the fuck were you thinking when you said this?! lol :) My neighbor works at the company who owns most of the rental apartments in this village, told me he know they have a lot of people clinging on by their finger nails and now they will have to raise the rents with 60 USD because of energy cost for heating.
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