Utopia Talk / Politics / Russia/Ukraine: pointless debate thread

murder Member	Fri Sep 23 09:42:05 Just like the other one, but completely different. ;o)
murder Member	Fri Sep 23 10:08:10 Belarusian Hajun project @MotolkoHelp Men with Russian passports started to be checked at Minsk National airport, DW Belarus reports. The police are involved. Today @nashaniva reported that Lukashenka’s security forces received a verbal order to identify Russians who come to Belarus to hide from mobilization. http://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/1572976979288231937
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri Sep 23 11:03:14 young guys arrested for trying to flee the country to avoid recruitment. http://twitter.com/KhersonFrom/status/1573114065634922496
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 23 11:21:33 Imagine how much it would suck to be a russian. And then ponder that the UP buttsex patrol spends its time simping for russia. Aint right in the head.
superdude Member	Fri Sep 23 11:25:16 Who thought an army of Russian conscripts backed up by Syrian mercs, Iranian drones, and North Korean military gear would've fallen apart? Putin is fucked.
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 23 11:26:54 Lol. But pillz says Russia is doing great.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 11:40:00 Other than Polls, no one thinks Russia is doing great. I think it was based AF germany & Italy have nationalised Russian petrol facilities. Normally an act of war, but they are busy at the moment anyway. However, reality is the Ukraine is still a money pit.They will not. Win for a reasonable amount of money.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 11:40:07 Other than Polls, no one thinks Russia is doing great. I think it was based AF germany & Italy have nationalised Russian petrol facilities. Normally an act of war, but they are busy at the moment anyway. However, reality is the Ukraine is still a money pit.They will not. Win for a reasonable amount of money.
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 23 11:42:19 A ukranian victory is a Russian withdrawal which is possible now that putin is resorting to conscription Russian men not only do not want to go to war but are going to be poorly trained when sent to the front lines.
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 23 11:42:45 A ukranian victory is a Russian withdrawal which is possible now that putin is resorting to conscription Russian men not only do not want to go to war but are going to be poorly trained when sent to the front lines.
LazyCommunist Member	Fri Sep 23 11:47:16 Everything is going to the plan. But we could not tell you the full plan in advance. http://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572867519102296065
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 12:31:56 "A ukranian victory is a Russian withdrawal which is possible now that putin is resorting to conscription Russian men not only do not want to go to war but are going to be poorly trained when sent to the front lines." Under several trillion dollars Indont
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 12:32:52 I don't see it happening. I tried to delete the "n" and sausage fingers submitted....
Seb Member	Fri Sep 23 12:43:58 http://twi...?t=MhzGmK50VYNt0Il5xxpAag&s=19
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:03:15 Lol retards
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:04:30 http://twi...?s=46&t=gVlU12SZFaUO6gUsnCNYoQ
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:04:44 http://t.me/asbmil/5590?single
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:05:23 We have spoken with 2 individuals from Russia who have undergone military training but are currently students at universities — they contacted the enlistment offices and asked if they should sign up for mobilization, as you saw on a few videos from Russia people calling the offices and being told “no, if you haven’t received a written invitation, you are not being drafted.” — they had the same experience. The mobilization is orderly. European countries themselves confirm no activity at Russian borders. The “masses of people fleeing Russia from mobilization” narrative is fake. http://t.me/asbmil/5592
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:05:47 http://t.me/asbmil/5601?single
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:06:23 Zelensky says he is "shocked" because Israel did not provide Ukraine with any assistance from the beginning for the war with Russia, while it was actively exporting weapons to other countries. "I'm shocked. I don't understand. Israel didn't give us anything, nothing, zero. I understand that they have to defend their land, but I received information that Israel exports its weapons to other countries. Why not give us air defense? I'm stating the facts: there were discussions with the leadership of Israel, and this did not help Ukraine. You can see the influence of Russia on Israel. Volodymyr Zelenskyy also said that he expects “decisive action from Germany, Turkey and the United States, since there are few manufacturers of anti-aircraft weapons." Zelensky, here’s a simple explanation If 1 Israeli weapon hits Russian troops, Syrian Arab Army gets permission to activate S300 and most likely receives Iskanders. Russian military would also likely start sharing targeting data from its S400’s in Hmeimim AB at that point, which makes S300 all that more lethal. IDF is gonna cry and their little Air Force terror in Syria is over. In short, It sounds like Israel doesn’t wanna fuck with a superpower on its doorstep. http://t.me/asbmil/5603
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:06:58 http://t.me/asbmil/5612
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:07:44 http://t.me/asbmil/5616 Ukrainian troops at a strength of 2000 men attempted to break through to Russia near the border region of Tavolzhanka. Russian troops of the O group, fighting at a significant disadvantage in numbers called for air support and continued to hold their positions. Ukrainian Armed Forces were driven back with heavy casualties and heavy loss of equipment. Clear example that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are now instructed to bring the war into the Russian Federation. After all, Zaluzhny stated that openly. Russia mobilized at the very last minute.
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 14:09:49 Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 23, 2022) The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation. High-precision attack of Russian Aerospace Forces launched at the units of 81st Airmobile Brigade near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic) has resulted in the elimination of over 220 Ukrainian servicemen. Fire attack has been launched at the units of foreign mercenaries near Slavyansk and Ozyornoye (Donetsk People's Republic). The attack has resulted in the elimination of over 100 militants. Russian Aerospace Forces have launched high-precision attacks at the positions of Chayka tactical group near Zaporozhye, as well as at the provisional bases of Skif, Dnepr and Gepard nationalist battalions. The attacks have resulted in the elimination of over 190 militants and 12 units of military equipment. Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised the provisional bases of 59th Mechanised Infantry and 63rd Mechanised brigades near Bezymennoye and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region). The enemy has lost over 130 servicemen. The list of the neutralised targets includes 4 command posts: one of 14th Mechanised Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Dvurechnaya (Kharkov region), 9th Regiment of the National Guard near Primorskoye (Zaporozhye region), as well as the command and observation posts of 2nd and 3rd battalions from 65th Mechanised Brigade near Novoandreyevka and Verkhnyaya Tersa (Zaporozhye region). 74 artillery units, 142 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas have been neutralised. 3 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Zaporozhye, Monachinovka (Kharkov region) and Donetskoye (Donetsk People's Republic). 1 Ukrainian Buk-M1 self-propelled system has been destroyed near Nikiforovka (Donetsk People's Republic). Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Ukrainian MiG-29 airplane near Novosyolovka (Nikolayev region), as well as 2 Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Vesyoloye (Kherson region) and Kamyshevka (Donetsk People's Republic). Russian air defence facilities have shot down 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Novaya Kakhovka, Tomarino, Novoraysk, Shlyakhovoye, Mirolyubovka, Belyayevka, Kreshchenovka, Bruskinskoye and Chkalovo (Kherson region), Lyubimovka (Zaporozhye region), Valeryanovka, Tripolye, Vladimirovka, Gornoye, Khartsyzsk, Novoaleksandrovka, Yevgenovka, Terny and Krasnaya Polyana (Donetsk People's Republic). Air defence facilities have also destroyed in air 42 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by U.S.-manufactured HIMARS multiple rocket-launching system (MRLS), as well as by Olkha MRLS, near Plodovoye and Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region). In total, 298 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 2,054 unmanned aerial vehicles, 376 air defence missile systems, 5,077 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 844 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,410 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,794 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation. #MoD #Russia #Ukraine @mod_russia_en
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 23 14:18:02 I'm with Sa. There is something mentally wrong with pillz. His inability to understand his hypocrisy for hating the west while refusing to leave the west highlights this mental condition.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 14:19:56 "I'm shocked. I don't understand. Israel didn't give us anything, nothing, zero." What a greedy fuck. Israel knows it best to not get heavily involved for them. Plus they are notorious for knowing a bad investment when they see it.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 23 14:20:22 That and actually falling for russian propaganda. Pillz probably gave away half his money to free a nigerian princess in an email too.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 23 14:29:53 http://www...ers-war-crimes-probe-find.html The reality: Honorless russians comitted widespread rapes, torture, and murder. They raped a 4 year old.
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 23 14:35:45 Put a little vodka in Ivan and he will fuck anything that moves. Pillz knows, he has a very special relationship with his dog.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 14:42:37 Russians are notoriously bad soldiers.Mass raping.
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 15:24:49 Such stupid fucks =D
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 15:26:22 Obaminated is going to support his government until he goes red and drops dead while it supports child raping and beheading Islamist terrorists who want to destroy america But he won't go to fight with those terrorists? Mental illness!
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 15:31:32 http://sou...attempts-to-disrupt-referenda/
Paramount Member	Fri Sep 23 15:33:19 ”I'm shocked. I don't understand. Israel didn't give us anything, nothing, zero." Israel been arming the neo nazis in Ukraine. So I feel that Voldemort Zelenskyj needs to apologize to Israel for saying that they have not given anything: Rights Groups Demand Israel Stop Arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine A group of more than 40 human rights activists have filed a petition with the High Court of Justice, demanding the cessation of Israeli arms exports to Ukraine. They argue that these weapons serve forces that openly espouse a neo-Nazi ideology and cite evidence that the right-wing Azov militia, whose members are part of Ukraine’s armed forces, and are supported by the country’s ministry of internal affairs, is using these weapons. http://www...7f-e080-d7b2-a77f-e3870e1c0000
Pillz Member	Fri Sep 23 15:33:41 http://t.me/intelslava/37821 A rally in support of the referendum in the LPR, DPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions is held on Manezhnaya Square in Moscow Lol, fucking dumb fuck Americans
murder Member	Fri Sep 23 20:01:22 "Zelensky, here’s a simple explanation ... If 1 Israeli weapon hits Russian troops, Syrian Arab Army gets permission to activate S300 and most likely receives Iskanders. Russian military would also likely start sharing targeting data from its S400’s in Hmeimim AB at that point, which makes S300 all that more lethal." If Russia wants the US to kick its teeth in, all they have to do is lay a finger on Israel. You don't seem to realize who runs this country.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Sep 23 20:13:11 Jergul looks at the ultimate failure of soviet bloc weopons again and again and again and concludes that israel is afraid of them. Amazing.
Habebe Member	Fri Sep 23 22:33:45 Why does the left always seem to have such a strong hatred of Jews? Like conspiracy theory level shit too.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 01:00:49 I don't hate jews per se. I hate the way they along with wacko Christian fundies funnel billions of US tax dollars to Israel every single years ... and the number is every growing. I also hate how they control our government and the media. but jews that don't have a hand in any of that I have absolutely no problem with. You could empty all of Israel (except for the muslims) into the US and it wouldn't bother me.
Seb Member	Sat Sep 24 01:53:12 Pillz: "in Moscow".
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 02:04:37 "I hate the way they along with wacko Christian fundies funnel billions of US tax dollars to Israel every single years" We are actually on the same page here. We should really stop funding Israel. I'm fine with selling* them weapons, but we are not a charity. Then again, I feel that way about basically all foreign funding with US tax dollars. Insert all my rants about the Ukraine and where it could be better spent etc. Just swap out Israel, its all the same to me.
Pillz Member	Sat Sep 24 02:59:20 @sam Su-25 assault fighters in combat action Fighter aviation crews have launched missile attacks at the military facilities and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Missiles were launched from low altitudes. The operation has resulted in the destruction of AFU camouflaged field positions and armoured equipment. #Russia #Ukraine @mod_russia_en http://t.me/mod_russia_en/4233
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 03:45:58 I will say Israel is a better recipient than the Ukraine. Israel for their $3 Billion/YR has a pretty bad ads military and does help keep Iran in Check. That said, they've got plenty. Of freebies already, time to pay.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 24 05:41:41 ”Bla bla bla bla, activate s300 bla bla bla” Israel could destroy Russian prescence in Syria, in one day. Russia could do nothing about it nor rebuild that prescence without Israel allowing it. Pillz has drunk all the vodka spiked koolaid.
Pillz Member	Sat Sep 24 08:31:47 http://www...10-3a70-11ed-9b76-9edc71c5adb1 Lol Zelensky claims 50 dead per day, a 1:5 rate w/ Russia. Lmao this is the sort of shit Sam believes
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 09:48:44 So my old Russian school mate who comes from an upper-middle class military and academic family and is generally a run of the mill, conservative, Russian populist with a casual bent toward Putin, and whose values are basically the same as his American, casually pro-Trump conservative colleagues if you swap all the localized symbols, is for the first time panicking. He now thinks Putin is insane and has destroyed Russia. 4 friends have been rounded up and disappeared at work in the last 24 hours and he's crapping his pants. The teams are apparently working extremely rapidly and efficiently because they've been ordered to meet certain targets by certain deadlines, so they're just rounding up everything from stray dogs to 80 year old cripples and then they filter out the most useless cases further down along the chain. He's leaving for Georgia Monday morning. Once there, he's hoping the major EU countries will start offering asylum to Russians. Suddenly shit got very real for a lot of Russians. We live in interesting times.
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 09:53:00 Sounds like he isn’t a real patriot then? Wouldn’t a real patriot be proud to serve his country?
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 09:59:11 His father is high ranking ex-KGB, and both his uncle and brother also have pretty high ranks in some sort of military/intelligence something, cant remember what grades or services.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 10:05:31 Oh yeah, he also thinks they'll unveil Paragraph 7 on Tuesday or Wednesday, which will probably include strict restriction at the borders making it suddenly very much harder to get out
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 10:08:09 He also believes the territories will be proclaimed to be Russian which legally means Russia is under attack, wartime laws, mandatory draft etc
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 11:09:19 "Sounds like he isn’t a real patriot then? Wouldn’t a real patriot be proud to serve his country?" I think he shares in common with quite a few of the casually far-right folks that deep down he's been wondering whether this whole Ukraine affair is a good idea, but turned a blind eye. He's generally pro-Putin, and as many other Russian conservatives, he wants to be a patriot, which means being a Putinist currently, but he's been ignoring this constant nagging feeling by saying he’s too busy to keep up with politics, he doesn’t trust anyone anyway etc etc, the usual libertarian way of ducking responsibility – until suddenly it was shoved right in his face for real.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 11:22:50 "he doesn’t trust anyone anyway etc etc, the usual libertarian way of ducking responsibility " So, your boyfriend is a pro Putin libertarian Russian? How does that work?
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 11:38:21 "So my old Russian school mate ..." I hope you weren't fond of him. ;o)
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 13:00:42 "I hope you weren't fond of him. ;o)" Several of us have always thought he was a bit of a dickhead in this little group of old classmates that have retained contact over the years that we both belong to, but I dont want him to die
williamthebastard Member	Sat Sep 24 13:09:13 He's got some mild form of hyperthymesia and high IQ and comes from a "respectable" family, which makes him think he's a bit superior and act the slightly crazy Russian chess genius, which can annoy some people, and which also shows how being dense and having high IQ are perfectly compatible
Paramount Member	Sat Sep 24 14:55:37 Maybe he can tell the authorities that he is gay and then the army will refuse him. If they ask who the boyfriend is (if they want to check) maybe he can give them your phone number so you can confirm that he is gay and unfit for the army :o)
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Sat Sep 24 15:20:38 Russian soldiers who voluntarily surrender face jail Under new legislation approved by the Russian president, violators could see up to ten years behind bars http://www...law-prison-soldiers-surrender/
Seb Member	Sat Sep 24 16:40:34 Looks like the Ukrainians may have made a breakthrough North of Lyman and encircling it. There's been a few false starts on this offer the last few days so we shall see.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Sep 24 18:52:37 Russians lost a number of planes today around lyman too.
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 20:25:51 The New York Times @nytimes Russian soldiers have raped and tortured children as young as 4 years old in Ukraine, a UN-appointed panel of independent legal experts said in a damning statement on Friday that concluded war crimes had been committed in the conflict. http://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1573337663561777155
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 20:26:06 4 years old
murder Member	Sat Sep 24 20:26:47 Probably nazis. Would you rape baby Hitler?
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 24 20:47:28 Chemically castrate every captured Russian.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 20:52:35 The Russians are almost as bad as UN peacekeepers when it comes to rape.
Habebe Member	Sat Sep 24 20:57:31 http://www...cials-oral-sex-to-get-food/amp
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 07:55:00 Murder projecting his fantasies on to Russians again
Paramount Member	Sun Sep 25 09:14:33 ” independent legal experts ” From what countries are they from?
Paramount Member	Sun Sep 25 09:24:31 It wasn’t that long time ago that Zelenskyj released sadistic child rapists and murderers from jail. http://the...d-child-rape-torture-military/ If children has been raped in Ukraine it could be these guys who did it.
Paramount Member	Sun Sep 25 09:30:08 More news: A hotel in Kherson was hit by a Ukrainian missile strike, former member of the Ukrainian parliament Alexei Zhuravko has been killed, another death is also being reported. Russia hit a base of foreign mercenaries near Kalinovka. An estimate of 300 mercenaries was killed.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Sep 25 09:58:56 This forum makes me so happy. I will report to Simonyan that there are many useful idiots in the West who parrot our propaganda day and night for us. Thank you Pillz, Paramount and habebe.
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 10:08:55 What propaganda have I parroted?
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 10:10:27 Show me math that says Ukraine has a reasonable shot at winning. No one has that, it doesn't exist outside massive long term funding, like the sort of funding it takes to run a social security fund.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Sep 25 10:22:48 You just did it again, thank you for your service!
Paramount Member	Sun Sep 25 10:24:21 Good speech by Segery Lavrov in the UN General Assembly: http://youtu.be/9MopbeWwvRc I repeat what someone in the comment said: "Unless you are neck deep in Western propaganda, the Russian poaition makes sense."
Paramount Member	Sun Sep 25 10:25:21 *Sergey *Position
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 10:27:28 Murder/lazy communist Show me how it's possible?
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Sep 25 10:46:26 Obviously Russia will win, Russia can't be beaten, because Russia is a nuclear super power. You must always include that in your message: "As Russia is a nuclear super power, it is impossible to win against it" That is the mantra.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 10:48:35 An article by MWM claims that NATO is running out of T-72 tanks - The article claims that Western countries have almost run out of T-72 tanks. Now they have to transfer T-55-based combat vehicles to Ukraine, for which the Ukrainian Armed Forces have no ammunition. It is specified that at the moment NATO intends to supply Kiev with Slovenian M-55 tanks, built on the basis of the Soviet T-55. These vehicles are equipped with a NATO-standard 105mm cannon, for which Ukraine has no ammunition - claims Military Watch Magazine http://t.me/asbmil/5680 Lol. For reference : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenian_Ground_Forces Slovenia has 30 of these tanks in service. Basically, theirs no choice now but to begin arming Ukraine with abhrams, or call it a day and surrender. Like Ukraine began this in February with more thanks than the rest of Europe combined. I don't know what the fuck you think there is to supply them with
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 10:49:38 http://mil...out-t72s-ukraine-t55s-slovenia
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 10:51:32 Keep in mind that Leopard 2 production is a 3-5 year long process. Europe could literally send every Leopard they have to Ukraine, and at the current rate of attrition of AFU forces you would run out in 6 months. Wouldn't see a new replacement for 2.5 years after that...
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 11:01:24 Keep in mind that the countries with the largest tank fleets in Europe are (1) Greece, (2) Poland, (3) Germany and (4) Finland And Poland has already been supplying tanks. "Arguably the most significant Polish arms delivery consists of some 230+ T-72M(R) and T-72M1(R) MBTs." http://www...house-polish-military.html?m=1 That is like 70% of its fleet of T-72s. Finland and Greece are not going to put any sort of dent in their armed forces to help Ukraine. Scraps is the most they'll offer. And Germany's whole fleet, like about 50% of Poland remaining fleet, is Leopard 2s. Similarly to the Abraham's, there is no way to support, fuel, arm, repair, train crews for, etc, Leo 2s at present. We're talking like 3 months to establish that, at a time where infrastructure across Ukraine is being trashed and Russia has the ability to strike literally anything it wants to. So how do you even begin to build that infrastructure? There is no conceivable way Ukraine can resist further Russian attacks, and it is just fantasy to claim they can push Russia out.
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 11:02:24 One possible silver lining, but Ive yet to see good stats on it is apparently EU manufacturing is shifting to the US because of energy prices. So we have our goal America, keep energy prices low here. Seems like basic bipartisan economics, but who knows. ------- Sam/Seb/anyone else Serious questions. 1. What is the goal? Do you see this as a war of attrition? 2. Very rough timeline, less than 2 years? 5? 10? More? 3. What math lets you think the Ukraine can win? Also define win. They have punched above their weight, no doubt, Russia has fucked up, no doubt. And I'm totally fine with our logistics helping, that's great, its reasonably priced, we gain great value in such practice and its where we excell. We already know.my concerns. 1. Its a money pit. 2. It leaves us in a weaker position. 3. Ukraine will look like Yemen. I cant believe I actually agree with Obama when he said, Ukraine is a key Tussian interest, its not an American one.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sun Sep 25 11:13:47 "2. It leaves us in a weaker position." Stop the BS dude, your objection is Trump was Russia friendly. Chinas no.1 ally imploding itself doesnt leave us in a weaker position
obaminated Member	Sun Sep 25 11:16:06 Lol. "Ukraine began this in february"
obaminated Member	Sun Sep 25 11:16:28 Pillz is a dumb limp dick fag.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Sun Sep 25 11:17:35 Now chinas weaker with their china/russia/iran alliance looking weak if your orange hero was in charge russia would have taken ukraine with little trouble and china would be thinking they could do the same to taiwan
Paramount Member	Sun Sep 25 11:21:48 In 2021 Zelensky told the majority of the Donbass population of Russian ethnicity to leave the Ukraine for Russia if they feel Russian. Instead of leaving, the people of Donbass are voting this week for their home to join the Russian Federation. http://twi...?s=21&t=YoS7LSFU6Fb8lZdB2S1MgA
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Sep 25 11:29:24 People of Dagestan are known for their poor loyalty, but the gun will make them walk. It is now necessary and everybody will understand it after the war is won, then we all will party together and all anger will be gone. http://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1573977123920007175
murder Member	Sun Sep 25 11:47:21 "Murder/lazy communist" There is no murder/lazy communist. "Show me how it's possible?" Well you see ... you kill the invaders, and you keep killing them until the enemy runs out of invaders to send to Ukraine.
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 11:56:31 Jesse, Not everything is about Trump.You literwlly turn everything into "Your only saying that because Trump", even breona Taylor's cops forging documents. You were seemingly in support of it because somehow it was an attack on Trump? You have idea what your even supporting. You have no clue at the feasibility. You've already admitted that for you this is a misguided attack against Trump, so you don't care, congratulations Don Quixote. Murder, You realize there are way more invaders than defenders, and the defenders are dying at much faster rates. Your math is terrible.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 11:57:55 Mexitard demonstrates again that ESL courses aren't enough to make spics literate
murder Member	Sun Sep 25 12:03:23 "Murder, You realize there are way more invaders than defenders, and the defenders are dying at much faster rates." No I don't realize that. I do realize that the Russians are getting their asses kicked so severely that they are trying to force citizens to invade Ukraine under threat of incarceration.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 12:07:05 Russian T90M towing a captured Ukrainian tank provided by Poland in Zaporozhie region http://t.me/asbmil/5682 Note the August 18th story I posted that says polish tanks were being held in reserve for future offensives. We saw those offensives and now they need more tanks. It's not a coincidence they're fielding T-55s the last few weeks.
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 13:34:18 "No I don't realize that. I do realize that the Russians are getting their asses kicked so severely that they are trying to force citizens to invade Ukraine under threat of incarceration." Didn't the Ukrainians force their people to fight as well? That doesn't change the casualty rates clearly higher for Ukrainians and having a much smaller population. Math is not on their side. Even Zelenskys advisor has said 100-200 Ukrainian soldiers are killed daily, considering the source those are the favorable numbers. So by the prejudicial numbers they are losing 4500/month and that doesn't count civillians or wounded. Russia has lost ALOT, bur nor that many and they have more to expend.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 25 13:43:09 Habebe There are way more defenders than invaders.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 15:00:30 For now yes. But Ukraine isn't exactly gaining citizens to conscript. We will see a neat boost in Ukrainian numbers in the next few weeks. Probably even a lot of very hot, well trained Ukrainian female soldiers who get trained in the UK will end up being slaughter en mass in a few months time. Unfortunately I do not think fielding women or neutering the Slovakian/Slovanian/Croation/Skojpian/Czech militaries and gutting them of their armour going to do much. We'll, except
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 15:04:25 *well except guarantee future Leopard and Abrams sales to said countries. NATO is almost certainly not going to establish the logistics train or in country infrastructure to support modern tanks in Ukraine. After fighting simmers down, definitely. But
Habebe Member	Sun Sep 25 15:04:32 Jergul, If you define defenders as the entire population. Ukrainian armed forces was about 250k Russia has 850k
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 15:08:13 There are at pretty way more than 250k people conscripted into service in Ukraine. And nowhere near 850k people fight for Russia on the front. That is jergul's point. You've got far, far more people defending than attacking.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 15:08:48 This includes logistics and supply operations in Ukraine itself, not just front line combatants.
Pillz Member	Sun Sep 25 15:17:20 In the week since I posted my update (Sept 17th) to now (Sept 25) Russia has destoryed +9 Aircraft +0 helicopters +99 UAVs +2 AA +113 tanks/IFVs
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